Chris Simms on Bills loss

[HappyDays]

Starts at 34:40, if I linked this right it should start right at that point. It goes on for about 8 minutes.

 

 

To summarize his thoughts:

 

1) The Bills offense hasn't really been clicking all year, the stats that say otherwise are misleading.

 

2) 47 pass attempts to only 9 rushing attempts from the RBs is game mismanagement in a tight defensive struggle. Since we don't run the ball at all we're too easy to game plan against. He thinks we should at least attempt to run the ball more to give defenses something else to think about. The co-host points out our 3 highest pass attempt games this year are also our 3 losses and all of them stayed within one score pretty much the entire way through.

 

3) Allen tried to do too much to overcome the offensive struggles all on his own. We could have won something like 15-9 if he didn't revert to old tendencies.

 

4) Diggs is the only true game changer on offense (other than Allen) and defenses have figured out how to stop him from taking over the game. He doesn't mention it in this video but he has advocated for the Bills signing Odell Beckham Jr to add another game changing type of talent.

[DCofNC]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Starts at 34:40, if I linked this right it should start right at that point. It goes on for about 8 minutes.

 

 

To summarize his thoughts:

 

1) The Bills offense hasn't really been clicking all year, the stats that say otherwise are misleading.

 

2) 47 pass attempts to only 9 rushing attempts from the RBs is game mismanagement in a tight defensive struggle. Since we don't run the ball at all we're too easy to game plan against. He thinks we should at least attempt to run the ball more to give defenses something else to think about. The co-host points out our 3 highest pass attempt games this year are also our 3 losses and all of them stayed within one score pretty much the entire way through.

 

3) Allen tried to do too much to overcome the offensive struggles all on his own. We could have won something like 15-9 if he didn't revert to old tendencies.

 

4) Diggs is the only true game changer on offense (other than Allen) and defenses have figured out how to stop him from taking over the game. He doesn't mention it in this video but he has advocated for the Bills signing Odell Beckham Jr to add another game changing type of talent.

I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to OBJ, I hate him, but he’s somebody the Defense has to respect.  You can’t double everyone, so pick your poison w OBJ, Diggs, Sanders, Beas, and hopefully Knox getting back soon.  If you can’t run, ya damn well better figure out how to pass.

[Big Blitz]

This is why the emergence of Knox is a huge deal.  The extra attention paid to the WRs he's been exploiting and exploiting for some nice splash plays.    

 

I will sign up for Sanders might be a bit gassed.  Davis needs more snaps and maybe it's time to activate Stevenson to see about adding more speed - I'm betting that's the idea later in the season.   

 

And Beasley being hurt is not optimal.   

 

 

 

There is an easy solution.  

 

Stop trying to score 45 points and focus on efficiency.  The D is legit this year.  It's ok to win 24-10.    

[Niagara Dude]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Starts at 34:40, if I linked this right it should start right at that point. It goes on for about 8 minutes.

 

 

To summarize his thoughts:

 

1) The Bills offense hasn't really been clicking all year, the stats that say otherwise are misleading.

 

2) 47 pass attempts to only 9 rushing attempts from the RBs is game mismanagement in a tight defensive struggle. Since we don't run the ball at all we're too easy to game plan against. He thinks we should at least attempt to run the ball more to give defenses something else to think about. The co-host points out our 3 highest pass attempt games this year are also our 3 losses and all of them stayed within one score pretty much the entire way through.

 

3) Allen tried to do too much to overcome the offensive struggles all on his own. We could have won something like 15-9 if he didn't revert to old tendencies.

 

4) Diggs is the only true game changer on offense (other than Allen) and defenses have figured out how to stop him from taking over the game. He doesn't mention it in this video but he has advocated for the Bills signing Odell Beckham Jr to add another game changing type of talent.

Yup…. I said this team has two difference maker on offence and maybe one on defence with White.  That is not going to win you a Super Bowl,  too many role players that Beane overpaid. They need to at least try elevating RB Williams from the practice squad ,  still loads of season to go to get something going with the running.  Just talking about getting better and using same RB'S is not getting it done

7 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to OBJ, I hate him, but he’s somebody the Defense has to respect.  You can’t double everyone, so pick your poison w OBJ, Diggs, Sanders, Beas, and hopefully Knox getting back soon.  If you can’t run, ya damn well better figure out how to pass.

I would sign him and bring up Williams,  our defence is not great but I do believe they are much better than last season because they are getting mass turnovers.  Problem is fixing offence

[Bimmer323i]

14 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to OBJ, I hate him, but he’s somebody the Defense has to respect.  You can’t double everyone, so pick your poison w OBJ, Diggs, Sanders, Beas, and hopefully Knox getting back soon.  If you can’t run, ya damn well better figure out how to pass.

What are we 25th in line to have a shot at him? You think he’ll make it that far?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Bimmer323i said:

What are we 25th in line to have a shot at him? You think he’ll make it that far?

No one is going to claim him. His contract is too bulky, and his agent has made it clear where he will sign. 

[Bimmer323i]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

No one is going to claim him. His contract is too bulky, and his agent has made it clear where he will sign. 

If that’s the case and we can afford it I’m all in… at this point we need all the help we can get

[Pete]

ODJ is not what the Bills need.  Not unless he kicks ass as Guard

[Solomon Grundy]

19 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to OBJ, I hate him, but he’s somebody the Defense has to respect.  You can’t double everyone, so pick your poison w OBJ, Diggs, Sanders, Beas, and hopefully Knox getting back soon.  If you can’t run, ya damn well better figure out how to pass.

I wouldn't be opposed to Desean Jackson either. Many keep speaking up Stevenson, but we need experience at this point in time. Jackson/OBJ on the field with Diggs will scare the bejeezus out of defenses

[78thealltimegreat]

Yes we are becoming to easy to defend Knox developing a weapon in the middle of the field and his absence really hurt us…that’s on Beane he could of added a vet te at the deadline and he didn’t cause he didn’t want to give up one of his precious draft picks which McDermott benches anyway 

[JerseyBills]

28 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Starts at 34:40, if I linked this right it should start right at that point. It goes on for about 8 minutes.

 

 

To summarize his thoughts:

 

1) The Bills offense hasn't really been clicking all year, the stats that say otherwise are misleading.

 

2) 47 pass attempts to only 9 rushing attempts from the RBs is game mismanagement in a tight defensive struggle. Since we don't run the ball at all we're too easy to game plan against. He thinks we should at least attempt to run the ball more to give defenses something else to think about. The co-host points out our 3 highest pass attempt games this year are also our 3 losses and all of them stayed within one score pretty much the entire way through.

 

3) Allen tried to do too much to overcome the offensive struggles all on his own. We could have won something like 15-9 if he didn't revert to old tendencies.

 

4) Diggs is the only true game changer on offense (other than Allen) and defenses have figured out how to stop him from taking over the game. He doesn't mention it in this video but he has advocated for the Bills signing Odell Beckham Jr to add another game changing type of talent.

How can anybody watch that game and say 17 was not the problem boggles my mind.

He refuses to hit the quick underneath and have 2nd or 3rd n short and has to look intermediate or deep n it's been 2nd or 3rd n long usually.  

 

 

 

[SCBills]

Simms is kind of right… We actually have 3 difference makers on Offense in Allen, Diggs and Knox.   Sanders and Beasley are nice complimentary pieces, but if we can’t run the ball, that’s not enough…. We’re essentially missing that 3rd option (outside QB) that teams need to game-plan against. 
 

You’re seeing it in KC, and they have THE best WR/TE duo in football for Mahomes.  As rough as Mahomes has looked, now imagine him without Kelce - and that’s been us the past two weeks.  
 

I truly believe Allen is better than Mahomes, and can overcome enough to at least win us games with this dumpster fire OL/no running game whereas KC’s season should be on life support if Rodgers didn’t catch covid.  But we aren’t going anywhere without either A) This line/running game getting fixed or B) Giving Allen another defense occupying threat.   
 

Beckham is absolutely worth it IMO.  If it doesn’t work, whatever, we’re right where we are now… but if it does, the reward far outweighs the risk both this season and in having a guy we can re-sign for the next 3 years opposite Diggs.  
 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

ODJ is not what the Bills need.  Not unless he kicks ass as Guard

Pete, we may have to get by with what we got this season and hope Brown/Feliciano get back soon. Besides line play, we are missing another threat offensively opposite Diggs. The deep ball threat is missing and if OBJ/Jackson can provide that for the rest of season I'll be okay with it. Hell, if Smoke can still scare defenses deep.... 

[Aussie Joe]

Some questions...

 

Simms said.. "the Bills talent is not that great.. there is no game changers other than Diggs and Diggs is not that much of a game changer compared to other top receivers" ...

 

Do we agree with this? Certainly wasnt the case last year.. he was great.. and what I would call a game changer.. now is it the same this year ? No.. but what are the reasons for this? Its too simple to say that "he has been figured out"...

 

Simms said.. "' they dont run the football.. they dont even try"...

 

Yes this is right.. because when they try they lose yards... so should they keep doing something that is not working?

At least bring Antonio Williams and try something different ...

Edited November 9, 2021 by Aussie Joe

[Billznut]

20 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I wouldn't be opposed to Desean Jackson either. Many keep speaking up Stevenson, but we need experience at this point in time. Jackson/OBJ on the field with Diggs will scare the bejeezus out of defenses

Jackson is a Raider now. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

No one is going to claim him. His contract is too bulky, and his agent has made it clear where he will sign. 

 

Where is that?

[SirAndrew]

13 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Some questions...

 

Simms said.. "the Bills talent is not that great.. there is no game changers other than Diggs and Diggs is not that much of a game changer compared to other top receivers" ...

 

Do we agree with this? Certainly wasnt the case last year.. he was great.. and what I would call a game changer.. now is it the same this year ? No.. but what are the reasons for this? Its too simple to say that "he has been figured out"...

 

Simms said.. "' they dont run the football.. they dont even try"...

 

Yes this is right.. because when they try they lose yards... so should they keep doing something that is not working?

At least bring Antonio Williams and try something different ...

I think the playmaker stuff is nonsense. It’s just easy to say when struggles come our way. Diggs is one of the better number ones, Beasley had elite slot numbers last season, and Sanders is a very respectable number two. That’s not even taking Knox or Davis into consideration. I’m having trouble thinking of too many teams with more play making depth at the receiver position. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Where is that?

seattle, San Fran, and New Orleans. 
 

https://nypost.com/2021/11/08/odell-beckham-wants-to-play-for-seahawks-after-more-drama/

 

 

[RichRiderBills]

I agree with him, but not on talent and OBJ. 

 

We need to get tougher, not a diva. 

[PayDaBill$]

45 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I wouldn't be opposed to Desean Jackson either. Many keep speaking up Stevenson, but we need experience at this point in time. Jackson/OBJ on the field with Diggs will scare the bejeezus out of defenses

If you can’t protect JA it won’t matter who you’re throwing to!

[Mr. WEO]

What's the part in the video where Simms says the Bills need to acquire a difference maker like....Taysom Hill?!

 

I would like to skip to that.

[BullBuchanan]

OBJ Hasn't been a relevant player in the league since his 3rd season. After he got paid, he's never been the same.

[RyanC883]

we do need to try to run the ball more.  a RB cannot get i to a rhythm with Daboll’s play calling.  And yea the OL sucks, but even it could open up a tiny hole from time to time and make the D semi respect the run, which helps the passing game.  

[SydneyBillsFan]

I like Simms but he is simply not up to speed with all the facts.

 

He did not mention the O-line ONCE in that diatribe...the problem is not the lack of "game changing" WR's, he failed to mention that Knox is injured and it wouldn't matter a jot if we had prime Thurman as one of our RB's as you can not have a respectable run game behind that O-line. And Josh's mistakes were incorrectly identified as a root cause, rather than a symptom of our offensive struggles.

 

Simms is usually a better analyst than this.

[Einstein]

Since when is 3 game changers needed on offense to win?

 

That is an extremely rare luxury.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Simms said.. "' they dont run the football.. they dont even try"...

 

Yes this is right.. because when they try they lose yards... so should they keep doing something that is not working?

 

So I agree running the ball more is not a solution. To an outside observer they see 47 pass attempts to 9 RB runs in a game that ended 9-6 and it seems ridiculous on the face of it. Usually you see that kind of disparity when a team is getting blown out all game. It's just hard to run a successful offense when we are that one dimensional.

[SirAndrew]

Just now, Einstein said:

Since when is 3 game changers needed on offense to win?

 

That is an extremely rare luxury.

Yeah, as I’ve mentioned, our receivers stack up quite favorably in side by side comparisons to other WR corps. I can’t easily name many who are more talented. If someone can do so, feel free. 

[Brand J]

It’s easy to dismiss Diggs as “not much of a game changer than these other receivers” if you’re a prisoner of the moment. He hasn’t been doing what he did last year because the targets haven’t been there. Josh hasn’t been specifically keying on him and throwing it there even when he’s covered. As a result Diggs has been too quiet, to the point McDermott suggested they “have to take a long, hard look at that.” Diggs is a playmaker and should be the first read almost every play. Get him the ball. 
 

Also, Josh’s three highest pass attempt games have all been Ls, but the spread offense is the same approach that mighty Patriots machine took when they were making a mockery of the league and embarrassing teams during that magical 18-1 season. I don’t remember them running that much and even when they were up 4+ TDs Brady was still in the game throwing bombs to the endzone. I don’t blame the number of pass attempts, I blame the execution. 

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

ODJ is not what the Bills need.  Not unless he kicks ass as Guard

This + 1000! Or tackle.

 

Both OGs and OTs were abused against the Jags as the only guy who played somewhat decent was Morse the center. 

 

I look at things differently though. I see it as game planning, play calling problem. 

 

Can't run the ball with the RBs, don't have time to throw the ball...yet, keep asking the QB to throw it? The QB ends up blaming himself and its the OC that hung him out to dry in my view. 

 

Find play calls that gets the ball out of the QB's hands in under 2 seconds. Run some misdirection run plays to wear the defense out. Jeez, Innovate!!

 

And yes, Stephon Diggs is a receiving "superstar" with a few others right behind him, Beas, Sanders are both pretty damn good at what they do too. Find ways to get Diggs the ball 10 plus times a game. 

[HappyDays]

29 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

He did not mention the O-line ONCE in that diatribe...the problem is not the lack of "game changing" WR's, he failed to mention that Knox is injured

 

Yeah he didn't give the offensive line enough attention. He briefly mentioned that it didn't play particularly well in this game but most of us have identified it as the #1 problem against the Jaguars.

 

I listen to Simms break down every game every week and the things he talks about in this breakdown he has been talking about all season. He has been saying since the first Dolphins game that the Bills offense is not clicking, that we're riding Josh Allen too hard, that we lack game changing skill players. So I think he saw this game as the culmination of everything he's been talking about and decided to focus on that. All of the offense's flaws this year came to a head yesterday.

 

He doesn't just mean game changing WRs, he means game changing talent including RB and TE. I don't know if I would quite put Knox at that level yet but he was getting there before the injury. This statistic is telling:

 

 

It is likely that when Knox comes back our offense won't have any complete duds like we did against the Jaguars.

 

But I think we can all agree something about this offense has been off all year, even when Knox was playing. It has not been performing at the same level as last year despite returning almost the same exact roster. I don't know if Simms is right that adding Beckham would get us back there. I do think it's worth exploring.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Some questions...

 

Simms said.. "the Bills talent is not that great.. there is no game changers other than Diggs and Diggs is not that much of a game changer compared to other top receivers" ...

 

Do we agree with this? Certainly wasnt the case last year.. he was great.. and what I would call a game changer.. now is it the same this year ? No.. but what are the reasons for this? Its too simple to say that "he has been figured out"...

 

Simms said.. "' they dont run the football.. they dont even try"...

 

Yes this is right.. because when they try they lose yards... so should they keep doing something that is not working?

At least bring Antonio Williams and try something different ...

Yeah, I agree completely.  Diggs is not a game breaker, nobody fears him.  He can get open and make catches, but he doesn’t strike fear in you like a Hill, etc. He’s not physically scary.  Last year he got a load of catches, but his average was pathetic as a “game changer”.  

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to OBJ, I hate him, but he’s somebody the Defense has to respect.  You can’t double everyone, so pick your poison w OBJ, Diggs, Sanders, Beas, and hopefully Knox getting back soon.  If you can’t run, ya damn well better figure out how to pass.

Just one little problem. The OL has regressed so badly that we can't run 4 we sets anymore. I too wouldn't be opposed to OBJ considering how little we use Davis lately. Beane won't do it.

1 hour ago, PayDaBill$ said:

If you can’t protect JA it won’t matter who you’re throwing to!

Exactly....right now this team has a catastrophic OL issue. I don't think anyone on our depth or PS could jump in and have an impact. As Chris Simms accurately said the Bills have completely given up on the running game. The Bills are 0-3 when Josh has 40 or more attempts. 

[The 9 Isles]

It’s sad how short lived the Bills being great lasted. We should have all known it was too good to to be true. 

[Mango]

Allen has improved way more than I ever thought he would. He is now one of the better QB’s in the league. He’s elite, but elite at what he does. 
 

Allens next step has got to be learning how to change his style to the game he’s playing. If Allen wants to have some longevity and be the player we think he can be, he’ll have to learn to move the defense better with his eyes. And he has to get the ball out quicker. He holds on to the ball longer than almost every QB in the league. 
 

Lots of problems with the offense right now. I have some issue with Beane and Daboll, but Allen belongs in that conversation too. 

[gobills404]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

How can anybody watch that game and say 17 was not the problem boggles my mind.

He refuses to hit the quick underneath and have 2nd or 3rd n short and has to look intermediate or deep n it's been 2nd or 3rd n long usually.  

How can anybody watch that game say that he didn't take the quick underneath stuff? He threw 26 attempts (55%) within 5 yards of the LOS and 35 attempts (74%) within 10 yards.

[Brand J]

53 minutes ago, Mango said:

Allen has improved way more than I ever thought he would. He is now one of the better QB’s in the league. He’s elite, but elite at what he does. 
 

Allens next step has got to be learning how to change his style to the game he’s playing. If Allen wants to have some longevity and be the player we think he can be, he’ll have to learn to move the defense better with his eyes. And he has to get the ball out quicker. He holds on to the ball longer than almost every QB in the league. 
 

Lots of problems with the offense right now. I have some issue with Beane and Daboll, but Allen belongs in that conversation too. 

Lots of truth here. I heard the announcers say yesterday Allen is at the top of the league in passes batted at the LOS and it’s because the lineman are just following his eyes. He’s staring down receivers and doesn’t seem like he’s looking them off as often as he did last year. All reports out of camp were that Allen was red hot, unstoppable. Hopefully we’re just witnessing the calm before the storm before he comes back and starts tearing **** up. It’s hard to sustain greatness and I’d rather he’s hot at the end of the year than the 1st half. 

[Old Coot]

OBJ is indeed a "game changer" but not in the usual meaning of that phrase.

 

His drama tears a team apart.

[fridge]

3 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

How can anybody watch that game and say 17 was not the problem boggles my mind.

He refuses to hit the quick underneath and have 2nd or 3rd n short and has to look intermediate or deep n it's been 2nd or 3rd n long usually.  

 

Blaming Josh Allen, after our 17 year drought, is unthinkable to me. You have to be 8 years old or literally blind to think he's a problem with this team.

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

How can anybody watch that game and say 17 was not the problem boggles my mind.

He refuses to hit the quick underneath and have 2nd or 3rd n short and has to look intermediate or deep n it's been 2nd or 3rd n long usually.  

 

 

 

These stats imply otherwise. 🤷‍♂️

[mannc]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah, I agree completely.  Diggs is not a game breaker, nobody fears him.  He can get open and make catches, but he doesn’t strike fear in you like a Hill, etc. He’s not physically scary.  Last year he got a load of catches, but his average was pathetic as a “game changer”.  

This is a hard truth that people around here don’t want to face.  The player they could have drafted with that pick, on the other hand…