unbillievable Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Bills related: 2:06 Thoughts on Bills offense 4:43 How to defend Josh Allen 6:07 Can Jaguars copy Bills blueprint 6:35 What did you notice watching Bills defense 7:22 What stands out besides Josh on film 7:48 how does Buffalo compare to previous opponents 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 So one of the statements he makes about Buffalo is very definitive "they are a spread offense" He says the Dolphins played "6 sub no deep" against us, meaning "cover 0" "that takes away all the spread, there's no more spread offense when you do that" and then it's "a matter if you can hang in there or not". He says "they are a spread offense and they can dink and dunk you and pick you apart". Looking at the passing chart against the Dolphins, I can see his point: 3 passes over 20 yards, all incomplete. Looking at the previous week's chart (Tennessee) not too different. Do you guys agree with Meyer? Is that who we are now? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So one of the statements he makes about Buffalo is very definitive "they are a spread offense" He says the Dolphins played "6 sub no deep" against us, meaning "cover 0" "that takes away all the spread, there's no more spread offense when you do that" and then it's "a matter if you can hang in there or not". He says "they are a spread offense and they can dink and dunk you and pick you apart". Looking at the passing chart against the Dolphins, I can see his point: 3 passes over 20 yards, all incomplete. Looking at the previous week's chart (Tennessee) not too different. Do you guys agree with Meyer? Is that who we are now? I would fully agree that we are a spread offense... Realistically the most efficient balls are within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage With Josh's velocity and ball placement that's where you want the bulk of your passing plays.. You're always looking for a couple shots a game but they should be set up strategically.. unless it's a full broken play Edited November 4, 2021 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I think Urban Tebow-Meyer is in for a tough grind on Sunday. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I have zero issue with the offense. The o line sucks and our rbs suck. Makes them extremely one dimensional. They really need to address this in the off-season. And josh is missing open recievers deep. He has struggled with this for a while. I can't tell you the last time he hit a guy in stride on a deep ball. Every game he misses one or two. Huge fan of his but doesn't matter if you can throw it 80 yard if you're not getting it to your reciever. 4 2 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So one of the statements he makes about Buffalo is very definitive "they are a spread offense" He says the Dolphins played "6 sub no deep" against us, meaning "cover 0" "that takes away all the spread, there's no more spread offense when you do that" and then it's "a matter if you can hang in there or not". He says "they are a spread offense and they can dink and dunk you and pick you apart". Looking at the passing chart against the Dolphins, I can see his point: 3 passes over 20 yards, all incomplete. Looking at the previous week's chart (Tennessee) not too different. Do you guys agree with Meyer? Is that who we are now? Without Knox this is definitely a spread offense. I actually wish we had another TE that was a Lee Smith level blocker. That would make it impossible for DCs to just game plan on a spread without the possibility of getting slammed by a 22 formation and a QB sweep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I would fully agree that we are a spread offense... Realistically the most efficient balls are within 15 years of a line of scrimmage With Josh's velocity and ball placement that's where you want the bulk of your passing plays.. You're always looking for a couple shots a game but they should be set up strategically.. unless it's a full broken play Defenses don't have to bite on any play action considering how pathetic our run game is. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So one of the statements he makes about Buffalo is very definitive "they are a spread offense" He says the Dolphins played "6 sub no deep" against us, meaning "cover 0" "that takes away all the spread, there's no more spread offense when you do that" and then it's "a matter if you can hang in there or not". He says "they are a spread offense and they can dink and dunk you and pick you apart". Looking at the passing chart against the Dolphins, I can see his point: 3 passes over 20 yards, all incomplete. Looking at the previous week's chart (Tennessee) not too different. Do you guys agree with Meyer? Is that who we are now? Yes, and I agree with the defensive philosophy. We haven't shown that we can hold up on the line v. Cover 0 in order to make teams pay with the deep ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, DallasMac said: I have zero issue with the offense. The o line sucks and our rbs suck. Makes them extremely one dimensional. They really need to address this in the off-season. And josh is missing open recievers deep. He has struggled with this for a while. I can't tell you the last time he hit a guy in stride on a deep ball. Every game he misses one or two. Huge fan of his but doesn't matter if you can throw it 80 yard if you're not getting it to your reciever. There's a stat that measures how far the ball travels in the air before being caught. Josh Allen is #5 in the NFL. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php Edited November 4, 2021 by Gugny 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: There's a stat that measures how far the ball travels in the air before being caught. Josh Allen is #2 in the NFL, only behind Tom Brady. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php I think you might not have sorted that list on said stat (air yards/attempt) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) Something feels like he’s admitting they cannot hang with us doing that and that’s the only reason he brought up the specific scheme the dolphins used lol I still think there’s an extremely short list of teams with the personnel capable of running that and most of them will miss the playoffs completely Edited November 4, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So one of the statements he makes about Buffalo is very definitive "they are a spread offense" He says the Dolphins played "6 sub no deep" against us, meaning "cover 0" "that takes away all the spread, there's no more spread offense when you do that" and then it's "a matter if you can hang in there or not". He says "they are a spread offense and they can dink and dunk you and pick you apart". Looking at the passing chart against the Dolphins, I can see his point: 3 passes over 20 yards, all incomplete. Looking at the previous week's chart (Tennessee) not too different. Do you guys agree with Meyer? Is that who we are now? Wasn't Cover 0 the boogeyman for our offense like 2 years ago? I have a hard time thinking it's not something we might not have a good plan for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I would fully agree that we are a spread offense... Realistically the most efficient balls are within 15 years of a line of scrimmage With Josh's velocity and ball placement that's where you want the bulk of your passing plays.. You're always looking for a couple shots a game but they should be set up strategically.. unless it's a full broken play Seems somewhat inefficient but I'm a patient fan. I don't know if he means to come across this way but Urban looks and sounds miserable. I don't even know if he lasts the season before taking a job at a major college program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Gugny said: There's a stat that measures how far the ball travels in the air before being caught. Josh Allen is #2 in the NFL, only behind Tom Brady. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php You didn't sort it. Josh Allen is #5 as far as air yards goes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Seems somewhat inefficient but I'm a patient fan. I don't know if he means to come across this way but Urban looks and sounds miserable. I don't even know if he lasts the season before taking a job at a major college program. Across the league most balls are not traveling 20 yards in the air often Josh throws the ball downfield as much as any quarterback in the league The key is to hit a 15-20 yard ball with RAC , turns into a 30+ yard play.. and Josh almost converts first downs every time he throws ball Lots of quarterbacks are short of the sticks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 If it were only a Bills home game...Meyer might have asked about good pickup bars for coeds. 🙁 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 57 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Across the league most balls are not traveling 20 yards in the air often Josh throws the ball downfield as much as any quarterback in the league The key is to hit a 15-20 yard ball with RAC , turns into a 30+ yard play.. and Josh almost converts first downs every time he throws ball Lots of quarterbacks are short of the sticks guys Oh, yards. Yeah, that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Never read about 6 sub... Is this meaning zone coverage with 6 underneath and 0 deep coverage and keeping one defender for blitzing/spying the QB? Cover 0 is a man defense concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 hours ago, That's No Moon said: Yes, and I agree with the defensive philosophy. We haven't shown that we can hold up on the line v. Cover 0 in order to make teams pay with the deep ball. Of course Allen can escape vs pressure and Jacksonville’s CBs are not as good at Miami’s so Cover 0 is super dangerous for them to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, DallasMac said: I have zero issue with the offense. The o line sucks and our rbs suck. Makes them extremely one dimensional. They really need to address this in the off-season. And josh is missing open recievers deep. He has struggled with this for a while. I can't tell you the last time he hit a guy in stride on a deep ball. Every game he misses one or two. Huge fan of his but doesn't matter if you can throw it 80 yard if you're not getting it to your reciever. yeah, D-Mac, you got a thumbs up from me. I love this team, but this is super bowl mode and you served up a cold dose of truth which many know, but just need to keep in mind as for the rest of the regular season we aren’t really going to be truly tested on that. Some of us thought in the off season that at best our line is above average to good, maybe somewhere between 16-20, but not a championship line, with the hope that Josh can mask some of those failings. If he was just a bit better with that deep ball he would scare the crap out of defenses and they would be weary of what they do with their front 7 because of it. Edited November 4, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 hours ago, DallasMac said: I have zero issue with the offense. The o line sucks and our rbs suck. Makes them extremely one dimensional. They really need to address this in the off-season. And josh is missing open recievers deep. He has struggled with this for a while. I can't tell you the last time he hit a guy in stride on a deep ball. Every game he misses one or two. Huge fan of his but doesn't matter if you can throw it 80 yard if you're not getting it to your reciever. You have zero issues with the offense followed by your issues with the offense lol. I agree with you on all the issues though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Whats wrong with being a spread offence? We run the read option ,use draws out of the shotgun call designed QB runs, go empty backfield and use 4 WR's often. 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: If it were only a Bills home game...Meyer might have asked about good pickup bars for coeds. 🙁 So where are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 39 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Whats wrong with being a spread offence? We run the read option ,use draws out of the shotgun call designed QB runs, go empty backfield and use 4 WR's often. So where are they? Damned if I know... I am old enough to be their grandfather. Then again, so is Lounge Lizard Urban. 🤨 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Defenses don't have to bite on any play action considering how pathetic our run game is. This is a very misguided statement. While a powerful run game can absolutely enhance PA, PA does not need an effective run game to succeed. And while the Bills’ OL is only average, look at the 2nd half against Miami. We were running the ball pretty effectively. Everybody wants to overreact and think they can boil down any struggles into a simplistic statement. It’s much more nuanced than that. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: If it were only a Bills home game...Meyer might have asked about good pickup bars for coeds. 🙁 He already know where they are in each NFL city. Quality scouting department. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Very cool post. Use to love listening to the opposing coaches on calls with Bills media, dont seem to get that anymore. Seems like Josh is going to have to start connecting on deep passes to beat Cover 0. Always baffled by his troubles with throwig the long ball. You'd expect a guy who can throw it 80 yards in the air not to have a problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Gugny said: There's a stat that measures how far the ball travels in the air before being caught. Josh Allen is #5 in the NFL. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php MItch Trubisky is #1 in completion percentage! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Despite all his faults, he gives a good presser. Enjoyed that very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I was flicking through the sports channels last night and noticed the weekly Jaguars UK show was on Sky Sports NFL. Usually I wouldn't entertaining putting that on but with us playing them this week I had a butcher's. The game preview show was superb. It was basically the host, Bucky Brooks and everyone else saying how they're going to their backsides handed to them by the Bills. It was like hearing your newborn child cry for the first time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So one of the statements he makes about Buffalo is very definitive "they are a spread offense" He says the Dolphins played "6 sub no deep" against us, meaning "cover 0" "that takes away all the spread, there's no more spread offense when you do that" and then it's "a matter if you can hang in there or not". He says "they are a spread offense and they can dink and dunk you and pick you apart". Looking at the passing chart against the Dolphins, I can see his point: 3 passes over 20 yards, all incomplete. Looking at the previous week's chart (Tennessee) not too different. Do you guys agree with Meyer? Is that who we are now? @Hapless Bills Fan Possibly, but I don't want us to be "that team". Credit to the Phins for taking away the long ball; they do have talented corners. Credit to Daboll for finally realizing that running the ball wouldn't work, and switching to a dink-n-dunk in the second half. That's what won us the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 hours ago, vincec said: Of course Allen can escape vs pressure and Jacksonville’s CBs are not as good at Miami’s so Cover 0 is super dangerous for them to play. This is right. We just played the #3 (preseason rank) CB tandem in Jones and Howard, so they are comfortable in cover 0. So we went to our 3rd option Beasley who torched them. Most teams don't have a #1 and #2 CB group like Miami does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Warcodered said: Wasn't Cover 0 the boogeyman for our offense like 2 years ago? I have a hard time thinking it's not something we might not have a good plan for. So the two classic ways to beat Cover 0 are throw deep over the middle of the field (which requires adequate protection) or throw screens. Brett Kollman did a good thing on it a couple years ago if you're interested: The QB scrambling through a big hole if you leave one would be a third *g* The Bills didn't have a lot of plays in the first half and especially the first Q - the Dolphins had 20 plays to 10 for the Bills. But what it looked like we tried was the QB keeper, a deep shot (that missed, under pressure) then 2 screens (that failed). Later in the 2Q we had some more successful screens IMHO the deep connection between Emmanual Sanders and Allen is still problematic. He just doesn't seem to be where Allen expects him? Maybe I'm wrong and it's on Allen, but Sanders was 0 for 4 in that game and if he's even 2 for 4 it's a different game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 4 hours ago, eball said: This is a very misguided statement. While a powerful run game can absolutely enhance PA, PA does not need an effective run game to succeed. And while the Bills’ OL is only average, look at the 2nd half against Miami. We were running the ball pretty effectively. Everybody wants to overreact and think they can boil down any struggles into a simplistic statement. It’s much more nuanced than that. You’re spot on. We ran much less last year and still effectively ran play action quite a bit with zero threat of actually running the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I hope they do attempt a cover 0. Miami has a pretty darn good secondary. Jags? Not even close. Plus Miami did a pretty good job rushing the passer. Jags are too slow to get to the QB. This is absolutely the game to attack with the passing game. Couple of long connections and that defense won't know what to do. It's all about exploiting weaknesses and man are they weak stopping the passing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 It's crazy hearing Urban talk compared to McD. Just seems like a tough guy to rally behind. He paid some great homage , saying this is the best built team in recent memory and said they talk about how they did it. Pretty simple Urban- the GM and HC had the same blueprint and vision on how to produce a consistent winner. No ego. Humble n hungry and I feel that really resonates throughout the building, players , coaches and Front Office seem to all follow that mantra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Gugny said: There's a stat that measures how far the ball travels in the air before being caught. Josh Allen is #5 in the NFL. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php STILL, not too shabby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Augie said: STILL, not too shabby! Exactly. To say it's a problem can only mean one is not watching the games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 hours ago, JMF2006 said: Whats wrong with being a spread offence? We run the read option ,use draws out of the shotgun call designed QB runs, go empty backfield and use 4 WR's often. There's nothing wrong with being a spread offense, and for sure the Bills use spread offense concepts. I'm just not sure that's a proper characterization of our offense this year. Believe it or don't, we actually run (1,2) and (2,1) sets this year with a higher frequency than we run 4 WR sets (or 4 WR and 5 WR sets). Now that can be misleading, because especially with Knox we may run a (1,2) or (2,1) set and still split out 4 or 5 wide. https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html When asked to characterize our offense, both Daboll and Allen dodge the answer. They say something like "we're going to do whatever we think gives us the best chance to win this week". Maybe that's a problem - maybe if they focused on fewer things and polished them to execute to perfection, our offense wouldn't stall out as readily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 12 hours ago, DallasMac said: I have zero issue with the offense. The o line sucks and our rbs suck. Makes them extremely one dimensional. They really need to address this in the off-season. And josh is missing open recievers deep. He has struggled with this for a while. I can't tell you the last time he hit a guy in stride on a deep ball. Every game he misses one or two. Huge fan of his but doesn't matter if you can throw it 80 yard if you're not getting it to your reciever. Something I heard, I believe from Cover 1, is that Allen's arm is so strong that his ropes (for example the Sanders TD against the Chiefs) would be rainbows for other QBs. So it only seems like Allen is bad on deep balls because he nails his impossible ropes, but his actual rainbows (like Diggs against the Chiefs) he still struggles with since he has to take so much off of it to avoid overthrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Gugny said: There's a stat that measures how far the ball travels in the air before being caught. Josh Allen is #5 in the NFL. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php If you're talking "air yards per attempt", when I sort your link on that stat, I come up with Allen is #9 if you include only QB who have started 4 or more games. To put some perspective on it, that's still more than such QBs as Brady, Cousins, Ryan, Rodgers, Herbert and Mahomes - but it's neither 2nd nor 5th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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