I would have gone for it too!

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

The Career average for the GOAT on 3/4th. & 1 is 96%!

 

Of course, you never do it stupidly like the Bills did!

You NEVER call a TO, allowing the D to get ready and set!

 

Billicheat learned that about the year 2000.

McD obviously has a way to go!

1995, Old School!

 

Well first of all you are assuming that was the playcall to do a sneak, which it wasn't.  McD said in those situations Allen has the ability to call his own number so to speak and he chose to do that.  

30 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

I'm good with the decision to go for it and I'm even okay with the play call. Remember in the Steelers game when they tried to get cute on a 4th and short? The right call then would have been a QB sneak, which Josh makes way more often than not, and that was, statistically, the right call last night.

 

As for kicking the FG and playing for OT, it comes down to a coin toss. Our D, which was gashed all night, was tired, so I could see them giving up a TD on the first drive if TN wins the toss. On the other hand, if the Bills win the toss, given our lack of red zone success last night, they may have only gotten a FG. Raw analytics say go for it, and the overall team performance last night reinforced that.

 

 

 

The playcall wasn't a sneak...that was Allen's decision. McD said postgame that in those situations Allen has the ability to do it if he thinks he sees something and he was perfectly fine with him doing it.

 

I would have preferred some type of fake sneak jump pass like they ran with Davis last year in the Seattle game I believe...likely would have caught the Titans off guard as they were expecting the sneak.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Big Turk

[LeGOATski]

#metoo

[ctk232]

11 hours ago, DeltaDigital said:

100%. if you want to be a big dog, you have to play like a big dog. your 6'5' 250 qb should get 7 inches of grass every single effing time. Poor execution, and the o line are BUMS. 

 

Given their play all game to that point I was hoping we’d actually go from the shotgun to spread out the defense and give pass options to Josh before tucking to run if there. Liked the decision, hated the playcall. Our OL “couldn’t even block someone on Twitter” it was that bad.

[Big Turk]

44 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Love the advanced stats. 

 

If you want to look at "gut feeling" our OFF was playing great and the DEF was trash. I'd much rather trust my offense and Josh to score a TD in that situation than have the game come down to the OT coin flip. 

 

I think it was absolutely the right decision to go for it. I'm not sold on the play call, but tough to blame Daboll when his LT gets blown TF up and QB slips. 

 

For the umpteenth time...that wasn't Daboll's playcall.  That was a decision by Allen to run a sneak. McD said postgame in those type of situations, Allen is free to call his own number so to speak if he thinks he sees something and said he was fine with him deciding that.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Big Turk

[WhoTom]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Well first of all you are assuming that was the playcall to do a sneak, which it wasn't.  McD said in those situations Allen has the ability to call his own number so to speak and he chose to do that.  

 

In that case, I'm good with the play call being "Let Josh decide" and I'm good with his decision. If he hadn't slipped, I could see him bouncing off and finding another hole, like he did against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving in 2019.

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

For the umpteenth time...that wasn't Daboll's playcall.  That was a decision by Allen to run a sneak. McD said postgame in those type of situations, Allen is free to call his own number so to speak if he thinks he sees something and said he was fine with him deciding that.

 

Not sure how 1 post in the entire thread mentioning that it was an Allen audible (which I'll note was posted AFTER my comment) qualifies as "umpteenth"?

 

All that does is shift more blame to Allen than Daboll. I still don't like the decision to go for a QB sneak out of a timeout like that. 

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

11 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I mean if you run that same play 100 times how many times does Allen not get a first down? Maybe that was the only time out of the 100?

His feet were caught up. Also not a good push combination by Feliciano and Morse.  It’s over.  Lots of other things should’ve happened to win that game and didn’t.  Onto Miami and they should be afraid, very afraid.

[frostbitmic]

11 hours ago, wppete said:

This guys cost us the game. No doubt about it.

 

It wouldn't have come down to that play if #9 didn't hold on McKittrick's return for a TD.

[streetkings01]

11 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

AFCE is not *****.  Need to win overall conference. 

Can’t win the conference without winning the division so I’d argue that the #1 goal has to be to win the division and #2 being the #1 seed in the AFC.

[billsfan_34]

13 hours ago, Irv said:

We have the AFCE wrapped up. Why not?  Give the Titans a lot of credit.  They battled. We'll see them again. Great game to watch despite the outcome.  Not worried about them unless they get lucky again.    

Yeah, with a RB worth a crud. We desperately need an upgrade at the position. 

[Motorin']

13 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

Let me clarify.

 

I thought he clearly got it when the play happened live.

 

 

 

Me too, but on replay it was pretty clear he was down short of the first down.

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, Irv said:

We have the AFCE wrapped up. Why not?  Give the Titans a lot of credit.  They battled. We'll see them again. Great game to watch despite the outcome.  Not worried about them unless they get lucky again.    

 

I'd rather not see TEN again because I do worry about them a bit in terms of their style on offense being hard for our D to match. They would give us a game even at the Ralph in January but I'd take the Bills to win.

[Chicken Boo]

Going to be interesting when Aaron Rodgers goes to Tennessee next season.

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd rather not see TEN again because I do worry about them a bit in terms of their style on offense being hard for our D to match. They would give us a game even at the Ralph in January but I'd take the Bills to win.

They are a matchup nightmare. The game was closer because they had pressure on Tanny early yesterday, but after the D was gassed they LIT us up on the PA passing crossers. 
 

The way to beat Ten is to get an early lead. They are not equipped to play from behind. If we started that game 14-0 instead of 6-0 I think we win by 20. But if you let them pound you 20 times with Henry, your D WILL get exhausted, WILL get sucked into PA’s and fail to sustain a pass rush. 
 

Tanny had a sub 50% completion percentage until the mid third Q. Hes not a superstar QB but he’s smart and competent. 5 seconds to throw and a clean pocket and he will find the open guy. 

[Logic]

15 hours ago, wppete said:

This guys cost us the game. No doubt about it.

 

So it was Dion Dawkins that let the Titans score on infinity straight drives without putting up any resistance at all? 

Huh.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I wouldn't have on 4th and short on that last drive. I wanted to on our last field  goal attempt though.

 

 

[CodeMonkey]

19 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

It took guts. McD’s players will love him for that. 

Love him for losing a winnable game?  But coaches need brains and guts, not just guts.

[jethro_tull]

the decision was the right one.  the execution was poor.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I agree with going for it.

 

Think I read in past 10 times Allen needed to gain less than one yard for a 1st, he got the 1st down every time.

 

However the biggest reason I'd have gone for it as if we kick the FG to tie, IMO the winner of the game likely will come down to a coin flip as good chance whichever team won the toss would go down the field and score a TD.

 

Having said that, if the Bills had got the 1st down, they'd very likely had to have then called their last TO so would have 1st and goal with about 19 seconds left.  Could have run 2 maybe 3 plays before either kicking or again going for it on 4th down. Every play would have to have been a pass, and Allen can not take a sack.  Allen could have rolled out if he saw an absolute wide open path to end zone take off or throw it out of end zone.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Well first of all you are assuming that was the playcall to do a sneak, which it wasn't.  McD said in those situations Allen has the ability to call his own number so to speak and he chose to do that.  

 

The playcall wasn't a sneak...that was Allen's decision. McD said postgame that in those situations Allen has the ability to do it if he thinks he sees something and he was perfectly fine with him doing it.

 

I would have preferred some type of fake sneak jump pass like they ran with Davis last year in the Seattle game I believe...likely would have caught the Titans off guard as they were expecting the sneak.

 

I'm not doubting what you heard, but can you provide any guidance as to when/where you heard that?

 

I listened to McD's postgame presser and to McD's presser today, and I did not hear that.

[NoSaint]

12 hours ago, WhoTom said:

 

In that case, I'm good with the play call being "Let Josh decide" and I'm good with his decision. If he hadn't slipped, I could see him bouncing off and finding another hole, like he did against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving in 2019.

 

It was the wrong blocking scheme. I refuse to believe josh and the line dialed up what was the proper assignments for his run. 
 

I added this to another thread but if mongo and dawkins double in the hole and Morse just slightly impedes the DT… josh with some extra push from Sweeney can almost certainly fall forward. It’d be 3 v 2 at the point with two big dudes pushing behind the 3. 
 

instead dawkins was left to block a guy already inside of him (leans even further inside dawkins after this shot) which is a losing battle and leaves josh taking on an essentially unblocked lineman. 
 

plenty of people point to the push on the right… and that’s where the line seemed to scheme for this run. Josh and the line were essentially running two different plays if you ask me. 

Need a second post to attach immediately post snap showing them shoot right instead of left creating a disastrous situation of josh running into the hole the defense would expect with no real blocker due to the DE starting inside Dawkins pre snap 

Edited October 20, 2021 by NoSaint

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Going to be interesting when Aaron Rodgers goes to Tennessee next season.

 

Thought he was going to Denver

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Afraid of Miami ? Lol 

 

I'll never post here again if we don't win by at least a touchdown 

 

We're probably gonna win by 21

 

I think he meant Miami should be very afraid

[Buffalo716]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he meant Miami should be very afraid

Ahhhh , honestly I've been out with friends tonight and had about 10 whiskey Cokes

 

No wonder I didn't comprehend that correctly lol

[BarleyNY]

On 10/19/2021 at 12:59 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We don't have anything wrapped up.

 

But in terms of analytics it was the correct call

 

 

I’d like to see exactly what those stats were based on. In general, I think going for it is the right call.  But I don’t see it in this particular case.  Even if Allen had made the first down we’d still have been on the two (ish), had to have used our last time out and only had 15 or 16 seconds left on the clock.    That would have substantially limited our playcalling.With a minute on the clock and all 3 time outs, easily yes, go for it.  With 22 seconds and 1 time out, no.  I would’ve had Allen try to draw the defense Offside, called our last TO and then kicked the FG.  

[fergie's ire]

I see this game and the Cowboys/Pats games as really similar.  In both, the superior team failed numerous times to get touchdowns in the red zone, allowing the lesser team to stay in it.  Then, at the end, the Cowboys made bad decisions (and won) and the Bills made good decisions (and lost). It happens.  In the Pittsburgh game I was so annoyed because on 4th and 1 it was as if they said, "We have Josh Allen and so if we sneak him it'll work 98% of the time.....so let's throw it four yards backwards...they'll NEVER expect that."  We had a play that works most of the time, they ran it and the line got blown up and Josh slipped....it happens.

[TBBills]

Not like the Titans will be fighting for the #1 seed so the Bills are in the clear. Beating KC was much bigger then this game.

[atlbillsfan1975]

On 10/19/2021 at 7:11 PM, CodeMonkey said:

Love him for losing a winnable game?  But coaches need brains and guts, not just guts.

Eh, everything about that decision was the right call. Analytically speaking Josh was over 95% converting QB sneaks. I will take 95% over 50/50 of a coin toss. Coach McD saw his defense giving up huge chunks to Henry. 
Some of the people who give McD a hard time for this call are the same people who say he isn’t aggressive enough when he kicks a field goal from inside 10 yard line. 
 

Edited October 20, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975

[Thurman#1]

On 10/19/2021 at 1:59 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We don't have anything wrapped up.

 

But in terms of analytics it was the correct call

 

 

 

 

The reason the analytics are so good is that many of those sneaks come in really good circumstances, and again, this was a terrible circumstance for it.

 

Here's Tom Brady on the Manning Bros. Monday night show, at 3:00 on the video:

 

Eli: Quarterback sneak. You're one of the best at it. Did you all call those plays or are you checking to that at the line of scrimmage when you see one of the gaps open?

 

Brady: Sometimes there was a little of both. I obviously had the option to always do it. But at the same time, there was called ones. I believe that if they're all inside, go outside. If they're all outside, go inside. If they're all deep throw it short, if they're short, throw it deep.

 

 

Yeah, exactly. That's why sneaks succeed at a high rate. Many or most are run through a gap. That's not what we did. Brady goes on to point out the gap that Jameis runs a successful sneak through in the Saints - Seahawks game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Scott7975]

On 10/19/2021 at 12:11 AM, motorj said:

Except they called the most obvious play in the book instead of the doing something like the 2pt play earlier.

When you have the AFCE wrapped up you don't go for a qb sneak

 

If they called anything else and it didn't work then the narrative would have been Daboll gets too cute, they should have just ran a sneak that Allen picks up every time.

[TheFunPolice]

Our OL got absolutely blown up and Josh slipped, maybe as a result of seeing his linemen fall like dominoes backward towards him. Hey, it happens. 

 

It was the right call, it just didn't work. If we convert there and score the TD we win the game. If we kick and go to OT then it comes down to the coin toss, because we barely slowed them down the entire second half. 

[Patrick Duffy]

16 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Our OL got absolutely blown up and Josh slipped, maybe as a result of seeing his linemen fall like dominoes backward towards him. Hey, it happens. 

 

It was the right call, it just didn't work. If we convert there and score the TD we win the game. If we kick and go to OT then it comes down to the coin toss, because we barely slowed them down the entire second half. 

 

Yeah call was right to go for it. imo I wish and was screaming at t.v for them to spread it out in shotgun for Josh instead of QB sneak, which is what the whole stadium knew was coming. Anyway, yup you're exactly right it happens. 

 

Guess we can't win em all LOL

[Just in Atlanta]

To jump in late, I hated the Play at first. I was yelling at my TV “what are we doing, what are we doing?”

 

But several logical factors show that going for it was the best move.

 

1. Allen is like 88% effective on these plays.

2. The Titans offense scored on six (?) consecutive drives - they had our defense’s number.

3. Us winning in OT is not much more than 50%.
4. We have Josh Allen.

 

Right decision wrong play.