BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, djp14150 said: some of this was when he worked for espn. I wonder what treasure trove their servers have. I think the biggest question that no one has asked is who in the NFL is releasing the emails out? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, VaMilBill said: The thing I hate about this is it seems like people just want to tear someone down for the sake of tearing someone down. Big tree fall hard. Gruden has never had anything said about his views on race or sexual orientation affecting his professionalism. Look at someone’s actions on how you judge someone, not on their words. I am not a Gruden fan but this just seemed like a career assassination. Might have made things sort of awkward with Carl Nassib going forward. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBills Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, djp14150 said: some of this was when he worked for espn. I wonder what treasure trove their servers have. Oh I am sure every company has emails/chat messages that would be sent to HR or get someone fired really quickly lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I guess now that they are in Vegas they figured they might as well roll the dice on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Writing those emails was his actions though That’s fair enough. But that was said in private amongst friends. Never was intended to be publicized. I don’t think there is a single person on this planet who hasn’t said something that wouldn’t get them fired nowadays if revealed. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, VaMilBill said: The thing I hate about this is it seems like people just want to tear someone down for the sake of tearing someone down. Big tree fall hard. Gruden has never had anything said about his views on race or sexual orientation affecting his professionalism. Look at someone’s actions on how you judge someone, not on their words. I am not a Gruden fan but this just seemed like a career assassination. umm….. this isn’t we found his diaries. he sent emails with these words. thus kind of action woukd end the career of anybody in corporate America because if it was found out and they did nothing they are just as guilty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think the biggest question that no one has asked is who in the NFL is releasing the emails out? 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, VaMilBill said: The thing I hate about this is it seems like people just want to tear someone down for the sake of tearing someone down. Big tree fall hard. Gruden has never had anything said about his views on race or sexual orientation affecting his professionalism. Look at someone’s actions on how you judge someone, not on their words. I am not a Gruden fan but this just seemed like a career assassination. BS. Get caught putting it in writing that you think your boss’ boss is a f——t, while also being the direct boss of somebody who is openly gay. Then tell HR it didn’t effect your work so they should just ignore it. If you could get a video of your HR director laughing at you while they walk you off the property, and post it here, that’d be awesome. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Meanwhile the scumbag Dan Snyder is still able to own the Football Team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Per espn Per multiple sources he resigned after additional emails surfaced. https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/jon-gruden-resigning-as-las-vegas-raiders-head-coach Ha Ha it was the hair style wasn't it Mark D ? Once they brought in what's his nuts for GM it just looked like Ticket sales and no meat behind the fluff. Letting Kahlil Mack go was another red flag. I feel bad for my Son who has been a long time Raiders fan Thank gosh he still keeps the Bills in his heart of Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: The thing I hate about this is it seems like people just want to tear someone down for the sake of tearing someone down. Big tree fall hard. Gruden has never had anything said about his views on race or sexual orientation affecting his professionalism. Look at someone’s actions on how you judge someone, not on their words. I am not a Gruden fan but this just seemed like a career assassination. Yes, and the assassin was Jon Gruden. I hope they get that jerk. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think the biggest question that no one has asked is who in the NFL is releasing the emails out? Maybe Troy Vincent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: It will be curious who Mayock picks as his HC if has a chance this off-season. Mayock sucks and should be fired for being a crap GM 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think the biggest question that no one has asked is who in the NFL is releasing the emails out? 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think the biggest question that no one has asked is who in the NFL is releasing the emails out? Then fleas investigating something else and came across these other emails thrn informed vegas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: The thing I hate about this is it seems like people just want to tear someone down for the sake of tearing someone down. Big tree fall hard. Gruden has never had anything said about his views on race or sexual orientation affecting his professionalism. Look at someone’s actions on how you judge someone, not on their words. I am not a Gruden fan but this just seemed like a career assassination. Welcome to 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Live look of Jon Gruden: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I think the biggest question that no one has asked is who in the NFL is releasing the emails out? I'm glad Gruden is getting his comeuppance, but it's kind of funny that this whole thing is a giant diversion / distraction from the Washington Team Trainer being investigated for a prescription pill ring (which I'm fairly sure is how these emails were discovered.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Another team in the AFC falling apart. Good for the Bills. 2 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 @flazsaid it first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, klos63 said: my meaning is that he brought this on himself. Nobody else to blame, no 'canceling'. Ah gotcha. 100% agree 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. Yeah his non fake self was he didn't like women referees and gay players. 🤷♂️ 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I'm interested to see what Gruden gets paid. If he had a morals or "conduct unbecoming" clause in his contract, Davis may be off the hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said: I'm interested to see what Gruden gets paid. If he had a morals or "conduct unbecoming" clause in his contract, Davis may be off the hook. I mean if he's resigning wouldn't he lose the years he's skipping out on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: "The emails, which span from 2010 until 2018, when the coach signed a 10-year deal with Las Vegas after years as a "Monday Night Football" analyst, include Gruden calling Goodell a "f-----" and "clueless anti-football p----," criticizing Goodell for allegedly pressuring then-Rams coach Jeff Fisher to draft "queers," and messages to Allen that featured photos of topless Washington Football Team cheerleaders." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Gruden isn’t getting hired as an analyst anytime soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. Right. I agree with this. Everybody should be much more open and not worried about being politically correct so that we know who to not engage with. But like, that also means if you run around calling people a f*gg*t, people might not want to engage with you. Kind of like what happened here. Had Gruden been more open about being a total shirt head, he might never have gotten back into the league. And that would have been much more preferable and deserving. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: I mean if he's resigning wouldn't he lose the years he's skipping out on? depends upon the contract language, but quite possibly (if he resigns vs. being fired "at will" vs being fired for cause/conduct unbecoming) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Wait, I just went to the Raiders site to see who might take over and came across this: https://www.raiders.com/team/coaches-roster/deuce-gruden Named after a turd (by a turd) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Warcodered said: I mean if he's resigning wouldn't he lose the years he's skipping out on? Wade Phillips v. Buffalo Bills. He fired me! He resigned! He fired me! He resigned! All depends on what's in the contract. I would argue that if Gruden was fired, it would be for cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, wppete said: Another team in the AFC falling apart. Good for the Bills. Ehh. Raiders were gonna fall apart with or without Gruden. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: There will be people out there saying this is "cancel culture" but come on, this is pretty ***** behavior and obviously terrible for someone in a leadership position. Cancel culture does exist. That being said, Gruden has no one to blame but himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the phrase we used to have for this sort of behavior was "p*ssing in the Boss's Wheaties" You don't need to be very bright to figure out that if you're involved in the business of football, using that sort of language in writing (or from your work email account) about the NFL Commissioner is a "career limiting move" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, VaMilBill said: Ehh. Raiders were gonna fall apart with or without Gruden. Lol This actually might prevent it than if gruden finished the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: I'm interested to see what Gruden gets paid. If he had a morals or "conduct unbecoming" clause in his contract, Davis may be off the hook. Doubtful I mean extremely doubtful that there was a clause like that in his contract. that’s an issue that we’ll have to see which way the wind blows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: The thing I hate about this is it seems like people just want to tear someone down for the sake of tearing someone down. Big tree fall hard. Gruden has never had anything said about his views on race or sexual orientation affecting his professionalism. Look at someone’s actions on how you judge someone, not on their words. I am not a Gruden fan but this just seemed like a career assassination. He wrote the e-mails with words on them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. It’s a lot of hypocrisy. If this has happened last year, then that’s one thing. But this happened a decade when Gruden was in a completely different situation and our world was a much different place. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: At some point everyone is just going to be politically correct fake robots. I don’t support the comments made, but I’d rather know who someone is than just see the fake politically correct responses that’s required to be a part of the public eye. I think there are folks out there, some of whom may be viable coaching candidates, that don't hold the views espoused in Gruden's emails, and thus don't have to "hide" or be fake about gender equality, orientation equality, etc. At least, I would hope. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Cancel culture does exist. That being said, Gruden has no one to blame but himself. Right, but I think there's a big difference between ***** cancel culture and very valid complaints over these emails, ESPECIALLY if they were sending pics of topless women and cheerleaders back and forth. Edited October 12, 2021 by BillsEnthusiast 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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