[Edit] Jon Gruden resigns over controversial emails discovered in WFT investigation

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

I do wonder with the whole part about topless WTF cheerleaders if this isn't more of that teams ***** coming to surface. They're glossing over their shenanigans by changing there name was some bull####.

 

Eh, we knew about that a while ago. We just didn't know that Gruden was sending some of the pics back and forth. 

[Sharky7337]

Any chance we can get gruden to send some emails from collinsworth's address? 

 

Asking for a friend.

[Bruffalo]

3 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

This is quite true. And, if we're all honest and an investigation of the league were conducted top to bottom -who survives if anyone?

 

I'm pretty sure there are tons of league members who haven't called someone a f****t or a racial slur in E-mails.

[Captain Caveman]

6 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Probably because the Feds are still actively investigating that. 

That's not a reason for reporters to be silent on it.

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I do wonder with the whole part about topless WTF cheerleaders if this isn't more of that teams ***** coming to surface. They're glossing over their shenanigans by changing there name was some bull####.

We would know more about Snyder and WFT, but the league was so horrified / embarrassed / scared ****less about what they found that they purposefully instructed the investigator to not create a written report of her investigation. An oral report of her findings was given to the league in private instead. 

[BuffaloRebound]

4 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Society and people will never be perfect.

 

I don't condone insulting people based on any discriminatory factor.

 

Whether I agree with them or not people should be entitled to have their own opinions and beliefs without the fear of losing their jobs or lives over it.

 

I hope one day we can come to accept and forgive and learn without trying to "make an example" or "cancel" people.

C’mon man.  Don’t shed any tears for a guy who’s probably made upwards of a $100m and is caught showing racist, sexist and homophobic views.  If this were the guy fixing your car, nobody would care about his personal emails and nobody would be taking his job and life away.  

[DrDawkinstein]

What a dumbass.

 

David Carr is elated.

 

Nate Peterman, not so much.

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said:

That's not a reason for reporters to be silent on it.

I’m sure they’re digging. The DEA isn’t as leaky as the NFL. They reported on the raids.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

 

I'm pretty sure there are tons of league members who haven't called someone a f****t or a racial slur in E-mails.

I'm pretty sure there are alot of them who have and couldn't withstand close scrutiny.

[vincec]

I think Mark Davis and the other NFL owners should turn over their cell phones and email servers for the last 20 years for review so that we can make sure that they are worthy of passing judgement.

[Coastie]

Guy is a tool and i would expect his positions in those matters are so deeply ingrained be never even questioned it they shouldn't be in writing.

 

And of all the things you can complain about in regards to NFL refs is that some women are being hired? Give me competence, I don't care about race, gender, sexuality, religion or anything else.

[Captain Caveman]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

I’m sure they’re digging. The DEA isn’t as leaky as the NFL. They reported on the raids.

I'm sure some are.  Others who are cozy with the league (rhyymes with madam plefter) might get a scoop about the emails from a league source with a little ask to steer away from the WFT trainer angle.

[AuntieEm]

30 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

NFL is investigating the WFT trainers.

 

They came across the emails. 

 

They released them to the media.   

 

     The only thing about Gruden resigning that concerns me is will they be hiring Leslie Frazier away from the Bills this coming off season.  I really hope we don't lose Frazier but I also would love for him to get his second shot as a HC if he really wants that shot.  He certainly deserves it if thats what he wants.  

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by AuntieEm
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[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I'm pretty sure there are alot of them who have and couldn't withstand close scrutiny.

So what are you arguing for here? That because we aren't holding everyone responsible for abhorrent behavior that we shouldn't hold anyone responsible?

 

 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

44 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean if he's resigning wouldn't he lose the years he's skipping out on?

 

If he resigns, he walks away from all the money remaining. As he should.

 

That is the only move left at this point if he hopes that someday this can blow over and he may return to a job surrounding the NFL every again.. Plus he's already sitting on 10s of millions of dollars.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

The NFL is pretty woke these days. Someone must have had it out for Chucky. They dug deep to find this. That said, Chucky was wrong but back when I played I heard and read 10x worse every week. We just didn't have emails and recorders capturing every little thing and broadcasting it on social media.

Edited October 12, 2021 by TampaBillsJunkie

[muppy]

goodness gracious what a debacle. I have a lot of catch up reading to do on this subject. So NFL coaching now kerplunk. This will taint he moving forward. I really hope he learned something and can redeem himself somehow. 

[Big Blitz]

So is the Super Bowl Halftime lineup still a go?  

[SDS]

4 minutes ago, vincec said:

I think Mark Davis and the other NFL owners should turn over their cell phones and email servers for the last 20 years for review so that we can make sure that they are worthy of passing judgement.

you sound like someone who has a very guilty conscience. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, SDS said:

you sound like someone who has a very guilty conscience. 

 

Seems to be going around this thread.

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

The NFL is pretty woke these days. Someone must have had it out for Chucky. They dug deep to find this. That said, Chucky was wrong but back when we played I heard and read 10x worse. 

not sure how being “woke” has much to do with this. If I denigrated my CEO’s decisions, passed around nude photos of female colleagues, and called the CEO a f——-t, and then he/they found out? Yeah I’d be fired for cause and wokeness had nothing to do with it. 

[Big Blitz]

30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Was it the trainers, or was it as part of the earlier investigation into personal conduct in the WFT organization?

 

 

I'm double checking now i thought I read yesterday it was the trainers but now I'm not sure.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I'm double checking now i thought I read yesterday it was the trainers but now I'm not sure.  

 

TBH I could be wrong, that was how I interpreted something I read 

 

43 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

What are the chances that the leak in the NFL head office is Goodell himself?

 

When you "piss in the bosses' Wheaties", you enable the possibility the boss will push your face into that bowl.

(Translation: that's not the most farfetched suggestion I've heard)

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

So what are you arguing for here? That because we aren't holding everyone responsible for abhorrent behavior that we shouldn't hold anyone responsible?

 

 

 

 

No I think we need to continue to educate to eliminate behaviors going forward  and not weaponize groups to attack those they don't like. There is a much bigger issue at play than Jon Gruden. I mean are we really going to go back in time and check out what everyone has ever said and done. Are the writers doing these stories all clean- no way.  I know alot of people who have been educated and improved in recent years and that should be the goal.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

His $100 million was fully guaranteed. It will be interesting to see what he gets paid. 

 

All coaches contracts are fully guaranteed. Unless you do some crazy *****. Or quit/retire/resign. Or both!

[97bills]

Who wants  to look at his emails ? 

[Big Blitz]

The NFL has been examining more than 650,000 emails, including the one sent by the Las Vegas Raiders coach, as part of a recent investigation. Gruden apologized for the comment.

 

"According to several reports, the NFL had flagged the emails to the Raiders last week. The Wall Street Journal reported on the 2011 email about union head DeMaurice Smith last Friday."

 

According to the Journal, the league uncovered the email while reviewing 650,000 emails during its investigation into the Washington Football Team's workplace culture.

 

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/more-emails-surface-nfl-monitors-jon-gruden-situation-2021-10-12/

 

[BigDingus]

How did these 10 year old emails come to light again? 

 

Did somebody just hang onto them for a decade until Gruden stopped paying their ransom demands or something? It's all so weird to me.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Some people like to just throw the word "woke" around sardonically as a means of excusing anything.  By the way, just because you've heard and said worse doesn't make it alright. 

[Numark3]

Just wait until they hear that Dr Dre literally beat women!  And there is audio of Eminem saying *****!

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

No I think we need to continue to educate to eliminate behaviors going forward  and not weaponize groups to attack those they don't like. There is a much bigger issue at play than Jon Gruden. I mean are we really going to go back in time and check out what everyone has ever said and done. Are the writers doing these stories all clean- no way.  I know alot of people who have been educated and improved in recent years and that should be the goal.

 

You understand that no one was witch hunting here. This wasnt found by "reporters". There was an investigation into Snyder and the WFT due to all the ***** they've pulled over the past 20 years, and these emails were part of that League investigation.

 

I'm sure after seeing what was written about him, Goodell wasnt overly concerned in trying to protect them from leaking. Notice that nothing has leaked about his boss, Snyder, yet tho.

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, vincec said:

I think Mark Davis and the other NFL owners should turn over their cell phones and email servers for the last 20 years for review so that we can make sure that they are worthy of passing judgement.

 

I’m definitely NOT one for passing judgement, but I have nothing to hide. I’m FAR from perfect, but I’m not afraid of anything on my phone or email. If you don’t think it you don’t have to hide it. 

[BigDingus]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

The NFL has been examining more than 650,000 emails, including the one sent by the Las Vegas Raiders coach, as part of a recent investigation. Gruden apologized for the comment.

 

"According to several reports, the NFL had flagged the emails to the Raiders last week. The Wall Street Journal reported on the 2011 email about union head DeMaurice Smith last Friday."

 

According to the Journal, the league uncovered the email while reviewing 650,000 emails during its investigation into the Washington Football Team's workplace culture.

 

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/more-emails-surface-nfl-monitors-jon-gruden-situation-2021-10-12/

 

 

Oh, so that's how they figured it out. I'll see myself out.

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

If he resigns, he walks away from all the money remaining. As he should.

 

That is the only move left at this point if he hopes that someday this can blow over and he may return to a job surrounding the NFL every again.. Plus he's already sitting on 10s of millions of dollars.

Kind of have to think that bailing means that there is possibly worse out there and he wasn’t expecting to win a case for the tens of millions left to be fought over 

 

to those pointing at second chances- the dudes nearly 60 and has just four 10 win seasons. He’s essentially a .500 career coach. If he was fired for performance, ignoring the emails, his second chance is probably just as an espn personality. Now it’s golf and private speaking engagements? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, BigDingus said:

How did these 10 year old emails come to light again? 

 

Did somebody just hang onto them for a decade until Gruden stopped paying their ransom demands or something? It's all so weird to me.

 

Read the post above yours.   "Investigation into the Washington Football Team's Workplace Culture"

 

Most businesses of any size archive emails, including received sent and deleted emails, for a loooooong time.

[klos63]

30 minutes ago, vincec said:

I think that people who have said nothing in the last 20 years that could be construed as racist, sexist or anti-gay should be the ones to mete out the punishment.

That's stupid.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m definitely NOT one for passing judgement, but I have nothing to hide. I’m FAR from perfect, but I’m not afraid of anything on my phone or email. If you don’t think it you don’t have to hide it. 

 

Same. I'm no angel but I dont ever have to worry about stuff like this popping up, or getting in trouble at work for an "innocent comment". It really isnt that difficult if you arent a hateful #######.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by DrDawkinstein

[Rico]

23 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

by how it was described he did.

Not talking about his son, but if Al Davis was still alive & owner.

[Bruffalo]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

No I think we need to continue to educate to eliminate behaviors going forward  and not weaponize groups to attack those they don't like. There is a much bigger issue at play than Jon Gruden. I mean are we really going to go back in time and check out what everyone has ever said and done. Are the writers doing these stories all clean- no way.  I know alot of people who have been educated and improved in recent years and that should be the goal.

You know what's a good way to "eliminate behaviors"? Punitive consequences based on your actions. Nobody is weaponizing anything, cut the victim angle.

 

He said horrible, indefensible things about large swaths of people. On top of that he directed that hatred towards the commissioner of the organization he works for, and he spread/shared nude images of women without their consent. It's crazy to me that you would even try to say that he should be educated instead of being held responsible because he might have changed his views nebulously at some point.

 

 

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

not sure how being “woke” has much to do with this. If I denigrated my CEO’s decisions, passed around nude photos of female colleagues, and called the CEO a f——-t, and then he/they found out? Yeah I’d be fired for cause and wokeness had nothing to do with it. 

Yep. You embarrass The Shield at your own peril.