Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: NFL is investigating the WFT trainers. They came across the emails. They released them to the media. Was it the trainers, or was it as part of the earlier investigation into personal conduct in the WFT organization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, klos63 said: I don't like people losing their jobs over being an idiot, although in this situation he probably had to, but people shouldn't defend him. That's just crazy. I mean being an idiot seems like a legitimate reason for losing a job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, klos63 said: People that talk like that really aren't worth listening to. They scream cancel culture, but ignore Gruden wanting to 'cancel' female officials, gays in football, protesters... he canceled himself. The original email was about big lips which people rightly thought was absurd to crucify him over. Obviously once the whole story comes out actively insulting and campaigning against various marginalized groups is going to be a different story. Edited October 12, 2021 by What a Tuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Nate Peterman's job security 📉📉📉📉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Once we get canceled do we ever get a second chance ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Warcodered said: I mean being an idiot seems like a legitimate reason for losing a job. unemployment would skyrocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Once we get canceled do we ever get a second chance ? only on Netflix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Incidental to all of this, say a little prayer we have McD and not one of the idiot coaches anymore. This exact story could have broken about Rex and probably Marrone. Edited October 12, 2021 by SageAgainstTheMachine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, What a Tuel said: The original email was about big lips which people thought was rightly absurd to crucify him over. Obviously once the whole story comes out actively insulting and campaigning against various marginalized groups is going to be a different story. I wouldn't be to sure of that. He will still have a lot of defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Something tells me that Carr is probably a goner by next year. Whatever coach coming into this situation is most likely going to have to blow it all up and start from scratch. Players might be requesting trades or to be released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Could easily photoshop "meals" to read as "emails." Just sayin 2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Could easily photoshop "meals" to read as "emails." Just sayin Can photoshop alot there. id look at a Gatorade ad… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Why stop here, there has to be "many" other email investigations needed out there. I mean because all these owners, execs, coaches and players have never conducted themselves in a similar manner. Urban Meyer is a good place to start, all the Wash folks, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill......Everyone needs to placed under a microscope I say. Edited October 12, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, What a Tuel said: The original email was about big lips which people thought was rightly absurd to crucify him over. Obviously once the whole story comes out actively insulting and campaigning against various marginalized groups is going to be a different story. I don’t think it was absurd. Many, myself included, thought Gruden’s “rubbery lips” answer was BS, and that this was who Gruden was. The releasing of the rest of Grudens emails only goes to prove that he was being a total POS and is a toxic individual on his best day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: The Times story claims otherwise. Not really that important anyways. I don’t buy his time at espn he didn’t have some content that be called into question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Daboll and Trubisky to the Raidas next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, klos63 said: It happened over the course of 7 years, ending, i believe when the Raiders hired him. Ok I missed that part. I was thinking this happened 10 years ago around the time of the Smith comments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Said above ESPN address. Doesn't it just say the emails were sent during the time of his life he was working at ESPN? I don't think it says they were sent from his ESPN account Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Was it the trainers, or was it as part of the earlier investigation into personal conduct in the WFT organization? The Times phrases it as, “part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Once we get canceled do we ever get a second chance ? This was Grudens third HC gig. He also worked for different networks. So what second chance are you referring to? Another HC gig would be his 4th chance, and another network gig would be at least his third… 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Doesn't it just say the emails were sent during the time of his life he was working at ESPN? I don't think it says they were sent from his ESPN account One of the stories on this said "from ESPN", but that may have been a misunderstanding of what's out there, I dunno. As @JoPoy88 says, I don't think it really matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: Daboll and Trubisky to the Raidas next season Doubt it lol. No top tier HC is going to touch the raiders with a ten foot poll. That combo i strongly see going to Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, djp14150 said: I don’t buy his time at espn he didn’t have some content that be called into question. this was just in response to a question about which email address he was using (personal vs. a corporate, ESPN account). He certainly was a scumbag while at ESPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: 100% this is being leaked 1. to distract from that investigation and 2. because he personally insulted people in power and makes a perfect patsy. It seems to me that this will put the investigation into a bigger light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: It seems to me that this will put the investigation into a bigger light. I haven't heard the Washington trainer actually mentioned since the Gruden emails were leaked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Nate Peterman after hearing Gruden is out... 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: It seems to me that this will put the investigation into a bigger light. There's no way in hell this is the end of the investigation, especially since it seems like we have a lot more emails to go after. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Why stop here, there has to be "many" other email investigations needed out there. I mean because all these owners, execs, coaches and players have never conducted themselves in a similar manner. Urban Meyer is a good place to start, all the Wash folks, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill......Everyone needs to placed under a microscope I say. You don’t think that NFL Films has audio of players using homophobic or Misogynistic, or racially insensitive insults thrown around on the playing field over the last decade so you? They would never… Meanwhile NFL hires Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg and Eminem to perform at the halftime show. 3 men who made a career out of using sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic language include saying the words Gruden is getting grilled for thousands of times in public . Oh yeah, Dr. Dre once slapped around a female reporter too. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 The first comment was boarderline and was going to be tough to do much but clearly his thoughts and positions are known. Don't know how he can come back from this now in any form to the NFL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, klos63 said: Should the Raiders/League ignore this and do nothing? I think that people who have said nothing in the last 20 years that could be construed as racist, sexist or anti-gay should be the ones to mete out the punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: this was just in response to a question about which email address he was using (personal vs. a corporate, ESPN account). He certainly was a scumbag while at ESPN. I’ve been vocal about not liking what I knew about the man. I hate to see anything bad happening to anyone, but sometimes you have to sleep in the bed you made. Nobody wins here, except maybe the Raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mango said: This was Grudens third HC gig. He also worked for different networks. So what second chance are you referring to? Another HC gig would be his 4th chance, and another network gig would be at least his third… Dude probably has enough money to do nothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said: Society and people will never be perfect. I don't condone insulting people based on any discriminatory factor. Whether I agree with them or not people should be entitled to have their own opinions and beliefs without the fear of losing their jobs or lives over it. I hope one day we can come to accept and forgive and learn without trying to "make an example" or "cancel" people. At the absolute minimum you can't be calling your boss a "f*ggot." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 i wanna see his actual words, i dont see him saying "i denounce the emergence of women as referees" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: I haven't heard the Washington trainer actually mentioned since the Gruden emails were leaked. Probably because the Feds are still actively investigating that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: At the absolute minimum you can't be calling your boss a "f*ggot." Ya its not smart. We grew up saying that as kids and never actually thought about it's actual meaning. I'm not excusing it, I'm saying a lot of people are not perfect. Edited October 12, 2021 by Sharky7337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JohnNord said: You don’t think that NFL Films has audio of players using homophobic or Misogynistic, or racially insensitive insults thrown around on the playing field over the last decade so you? They would never… Meanwhile NFL hires Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg and Eminem to perform at the halftime show. 3 men who made a career out of using sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic language include saying the words Gruden is getting grilled for thousands of times in public . Oh yeah, Dr. Dre once slapped around a female reporter too. This is quite true. And, if we're all honest and an investigation of the league were conducted top to bottom -who survives if anyone? Edited October 12, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: There's no way in hell this is the end of the investigation, especially since it seems like we have a lot more emails to go after. I do wonder with the whole part about topless WTF cheerleaders if this isn't more of that teams ***** coming to surface. They're glossing over their shenanigans by changing there name was some bull####. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Wonder if Al Davis would've dumped him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, JohnNord said: You don’t think that NFL Films has audio of players using homophobic or Misogynistic, or racially insensitive insults thrown around on the playing field over the last decade so you? They would never… Meanwhile NFL hires Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg and Eminem to perform at the halftime show. 3 men who made a career out of using sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic language include saying the words Gruden is getting grilled for thousands of times in public . Oh yeah, Dr. Dre once slapped around a female reporter too. This is true, and what about Antonio brown calling a GM racist slurs in front of everyone and did the NFL do anything nope. Or did people come out and Dog him. 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Rico said: Wonder if Al Davis would've dumped him. by how it was described he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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