8/28/21 Post Game Thread Bills vs Packers Preseason finale

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

I'm so confident in this offense that I'm not sure that even matters.

Shade it different and they just score on you with a sluggo or a post/corner instead.

 

That's not even taking the running game which looks like it will be better and be the 'opportune' changeup they said they wanted where it's effective when they use it. 

[RunTheBall]

12 hours ago, CSBill said:

 
I sure wish they would move him to the outside in a three LB formation. He has speed and length, but he lacks the strength and power needed to be a middle of the field run-stopper. 

Here’s the thing, they don’t want him him to be a middle of the field run stopper. McBean loves him for his length and disruption of the passing lanes. If this guy would just catch the 2-4 balls that hit him in the chest every year we wouldn’t been be even having a discussion about him. I agree he needs to take step forward this year and be more of an impact linebacker but I have no doubt they are picking up his 5th year or signing him to an extension. McBean loves them some Edmunds no matter what we think.

Edited August 29, 2021 by RunTheBall

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

I predict Klein plays a helluva lot more than last year.....

 

I think almost everyone is going to try to play keep-away from Josh. 

Maybe we'll even see that 5-2 we seldom show? I like it!

 

Someone said to calm down that we play bend but not break and that person was right.

We are going to have to ready to know it's OK for teams to move the ball between the twenties against us.

The other team gets paid too.

 

Go Bills!

 

Palms quarters is all about getting 3rd down stops. U won't stop them every time, but if u can stop them short of the sticks most teams punt and kick a lot.

[MasterStrategist]

2 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Here’s the thing, they don’t want him him to be a middle of the field run stopper. McBean loves him for his length and disruption of the passing lanes. If this guy would just catch the 2-4 balls that hit him in the chest every year we wouldn’t been behind having a discussion about him. I agree he needs to take step forward this year and be more of an impact linebacker but I have no doubt they are picking up his 5th year or signing him to an extension. McBean loves them some Edmunds no matter what we think.

Exactly!  People often think "grass is greener", if we'd get a new Mike linebacker, but truth is Edmunds is young/talented, and someone the staff has faith in.  He reminds me of a Ryan Shazier type, and think we will see more aggression from him this season. His injury last yr was extremely limiting and he was the team player who fought through it, not his best season but better than alternatives on the team.

 

His contract extension is another topic and the team gave themselves extra time to evaluate that.

[Chandler#81]

 

 

 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

I get what you’re saying, but god do I get this response. This is an internet message board, where average Joe’s voice their opinion on football. 
 

You could use this response on literally every post and comment on this board. 

Fair enough, but the way conversations advance is by one person saying something, someone responding to clarify, limit, or argue with the first, etc.   You'll notice that someone responded to my post that you quoted by saying that there've been no reports out of camp that suggest that Sanders has looked slow.   If no one responds to statements like "he's getting old and lost a step," when the only basis for the statement is that maybe this is the year that Sanders has gotten slower, then people may start accepting that as true.  

 

Shady supposedly lost a step two or three seasons before he actually did.   For the past eight years, Brady's next season was going to be the season he'd lost it.   Larry Fitzgerald was done five years ago.   

 

Players don't begin to lose it until they actually do begin to lose it.   People are free to be of the opinion that Sanders has lost a step, but the fact that he didn't go deep in one half of one preseason game isn't evidence.  

[bigK14094]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Josh Allen is going to be one of those players that is not going to get the respect he deserves until he actually win the Super Bowl

Eli won two and was still trashed by the NY Media his last years.

[Shaw66]

34 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Here’s the thing, they don’t want him him to be a middle of the field run stopper. McBean loves him for his length and disruption of the passing lanes. If this guy would just catch the 2-4 balls that hit him in the chest every year we wouldn’t been behind having a discussion about him. I agree he needs to take step forward this year and be more of an impact linebacker but I have no doubt they are picking up his 5th year or signing him to an extension. McBean loves them some Edmunds no matter what we think.

I agree with this.   It goes along with what others said earlier about this being a bend-don't break defense.   I think Edmunds' job, his assignment on most plays, is not a traditional middle line backer assignment.   He's more like an extra safety playing in the box.  His job is to occupy space in the defensive backfield (and catch the balls that hit him in the chest), and not get beat on runs.  So, for example, tackles for loss is not an important statistic for this McDermott middle linebacker.    Outside the red zone, Edmunds' responsibilities are primarily lateral and behind him.   It's only inside the Bills' 10-yard line that his responsibilities are primarily in front of him.   

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Josh just flat out commands this offense like the boss that he is. Full command, surgical strikes at any distance, just makes it all look too easy anymore. His play simply won’t be fair this year for the defenses facing him. 

[clayboy54]

3 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said:

I see the same strategy from Bills opponents that pound the ball for 1st downs.  We don't have a MLB that can stand in the middle and hit people.  If that's the scheme the Bills choose then we'll have to get used to some uncomfortably close games.

You’re making the assumption that opponents can stop the Bills offense. I bet they cannot.

[Dukestreetking]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

Palms quarters is all about getting 3rd down stops. U won't stop them every time, but if u can stop them short of the sticks most teams punt and kick a lot.

Thanks for this. If you have a sec, can you expand on this? Interested in this specific observation... "palms" quarters.

[Ralonzo]

2 minutes ago, Dukestreetking said:

Thanks for this. If you have a sec, can you expand on this? Interested in this specific observation... "palms" quarters.

 

A pattern-match variation on cover-4.

https://www.xsosfootball.com/quarters-coverage-part-1-the-basics/

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2019/7/1/18772914/summer-of-spags-2-read-coverage-rules-and-permutations

[pigpen65]

3 hours ago, wjag said:

Listening to Beane, it sure sounded like Phillips and Zimmer made the team.  Threw in props for Johnson too.   If I'm Butler/Addison, I'm concerned I will be on a new team in a few days.

There is still a lot of unsigned talent out there. I doubt Addison would jump to the front of anybody's line if he was released. I think cut for him would mean retirement. 

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, Dukestreetking said:

Thanks for this. If you have a sec, can you expand on this? Interested in this specific observation... "palms" quarters.

Me too.  I've never understood what palms quarters is, other than some kind of four-deep zone system.   Since the Bills like playing, they don't blitz much, and that's why getting better pass rush out of the dline is so critical. 

 

And to RunJosh, yes, it does mean the Bills will have some uncomfortably close games.   I mentioned Super Bowl XXV.   Belichick figured out how to slow down the K-gun, and Parcells put together a ball possession offense.   In a game like that the number of possessions you get goes down, and that makes the game closer.  

 

It also was Dick Jauron's philosophy in Buffalo.   Play bend-don't-break defense to force the opponent to eat a lot of clock.   It was a way to keep the score low, which was important because the Bills weren't going to score enough to win shootouts.  If the score is low, it's possible to steal wins at the end of the game.  

 

I think playing bend-don't-break when you have an explosive offense just offers the opponent an opportunity to stay in the game.  A team like Tennessee looks at the Bills and says, "great, keep bending.  We'll go on 8-minute drives and score on every one.   Then all we have do is stop your passing attack on a few possessions, and we win."   Bills-Ravens was that kind of game.   If Taron doesn't take it to the house, Bills likely were in trouble. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

OK so here's a comment from McD in the BN (I guess I also missed the play)

 

Mitchell Trubisky came in for one play and he handed it off to Kerrith Whyte, which McDermott said was by design in case a similar situation came up in the regular season.

 

So what exact situation were they working on??  I don't get it??  What did this accomplish??  Does this guarantee Super Bowl??

[YattaOkasan]

55 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

You’re making the assumption that opponents can stop the Bills offense. I bet they cannot.

I would not before last year we had some pretty good defenses. Unless folks think that was all Shaq and Jordan Phillips then maybe we can be ok with our defense. At the end of the year we were playing as a top 10 defense

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

OK so here's a comment from McD in the BN (I guess I also missed the play)

 

Mitchell Trubisky came in for one play and he handed it off to Kerrith Whyte, which McDermott said was by design in case a similar situation came up in the regular season.

 

So what exact situation were they working on??  I don't get it??  What did this accomplish??  Does this guarantee Super Bowl??

Design is that he had no prep so he wanted to see a rep like that. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, YattaOkasan said:

I would not before last year we had some pretty good defenses. Unless folks think that was all Shaq and Jordan Phillips then maybe we can be ok with our defense. At the end of the year we were playing as a top 10 defense

Design is that he had no prep so he wanted to see a rep like that. 

 

Like handing off??

[mabden]

5 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

I cant wait for the season to start. Also...am I worrying too much about our run D?

 

Green Bay scored how many points today?

[jkeerie]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Like handing off??

I think it was more...go in and execute a play when you're not ready...although I agree it would have been more effective if it was a pass.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I think it was more...go in and execute a play when you're not ready...although I agree it would have been more effective if it was a pass.

 

OK, maybe that's what he was implying.

[Rochesterfan]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

OK so here's a comment from McD in the BN (I guess I also missed the play)

 

Mitchell Trubisky came in for one play and he handed it off to Kerrith Whyte, which McDermott said was by design in case a similar situation came up in the regular season.

 

So what exact situation were they working on??  I don't get it??  What did this accomplish??  Does this guarantee Super Bowl??

 

If Josh got injured and you had to rush Mitch on the field with no prep time - can he handle the snap, is he prepared to be able to run a play, can he get the play call, can we get him out there without wasting a timeout.

 

Does it guarantee a Super Bowl - Nope, but it once again shows this coaching staff understands game situations and wants to make sure the players and coaches are prepared.  
 

Then you can talk about it in film and determine- how do we get better, how would we handle it if it was third and long, how did the coaching staff react and what things can we put in place to get better.

 

This may never be needed or maybe it is the one play that continues a drive in a must win game to get home field advantage.  It is very smart coaching.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Just now, Rochesterfan said:

 

If Josh got injured and you had to rush Mitch on the field with no prep time - can he handle the snap, is he prepared to be able to run a play, can he get the play call, can we get him out there without wasting a timeout.

 

Does it guarantee a Super Bowl - Nope, but it once again shows this coaching staff understands game situations and wants to make sure the players and coaches are prepared.  
 

Then you can talk about it in film and determine- how do we get better, how would we handle it if it was third and long, how did the coaching staff react and what things can we put in place to get better.

 

This may never be needed or maybe it is the one play that continues a drive in a must win game to get home field advantage.  It is very smart coaching.

 

Yeah other poster just said the same, now I get it, makes sense what he was trying to do.

 

Super Bowl part was a joke since I had no idea what the play was doing.

[TFBillsfan]

1 hour ago, RunJoshRun said:

I have to agree.  Too small a market is the issue.

I disagree. GB, JAX, KC aren’t big time markets. Buffalo maybe a smaller market but the national fanbase is huge. If a player is a stud, the press will follow. Josh and the Bills just need to keep doing what they’ve been doing………WINNING! People like winners and playmakers.

[klos63]

5 hours ago, Beast said:

 

Huh?

 

He's getting a lot of respect everywhere I look.

Yep, I don't live in Buffalo, surrounded by fans of other teams, they think he's one of the best. It's just a buffalo thing of feeling disrespected.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Simon]

7 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Ed wrecked that ****

Jacked up the center so hard he tripped up the QB AND took out the H-back who was supposed to lock down the other side AND forced the RG to peel back and pick him up. 

 

I just watched this again and realized he also chipped the RB after he buried the center.

Ed Oliver is taking on quintuple teams.

[Protocal69]

By my unofficial calculation Josh pass to Gabriel Davis ball velocity was 67.5 mph AT LEAST. The pass from the time it left Josh Allen hand to the time Gabriel Davis caught it was less than 1 sec. The pass was 31 yards plus 2 feet into the endzone so lets say 33 yards total so ( 33 yards = 99 feet x 60 sec x 60 mins / 5280 = 67.5 mph

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

OK so here's a comment from McD in the BN (I guess I also missed the play)

 

Mitchell Trubisky came in for one play and he handed it off to Kerrith Whyte, which McDermott said was by design in case a similar situation came up in the regular season.

 

So what exact situation were they working on??  I don't get it??  What did this accomplish??  Does this guarantee Super Bowl??

 

Remember "I hope Joey Bosa is OK" tweeted by Matt Barkley?   Allen was shaken up and got helped off the field in the middle of a set of downs and Barkley came in for one play (and promptly took a bad sack).    Allen was OK and returned to the game the next play.

 

The experienced backup QB needs to be aware he can be thrown into the game for a snap or two at any time.

 

Trubisky has never been a backup QB before.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Did we have this one yet?  This is a real "That Freakin' Guy" (DC hurls clipboard) throw by Allen

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/08/josh-allen-bills-starting-offense-looks-ready-for-week-1-preseason-week-3-stock-up-stock-down.html

 

Ryan Talbot article. 

 

Four receptions are great, but he was listed with 8 targets.  What happened on the other 4?  (haven't had a chance to watch full game yet)

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Emmanuel Sanders saw his first preseason action and said it was important for him to get used to Buffalo’s high tempo offense. Sanders fared well hauling in four passes for 27 yards. Three of Sanders’ receptions moved the chains for the Bills.

 

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Were the Bills showcasing Jake Fromm on Saturday? It’s possible. The team is expected to keep just two quarterbacks on their 53-man roster so Fromm’s best bet of remaining in Buffalo would be on the practice squad along with veteran Davis Webb.

If Saturday was a showcase, Fromm made the most of it completing 10-of-16 passes for 87 yards. He also used his legs to score a touchdown from 13 yards out.

 

Strong words about Bobby Hart, but I don't think anyone here would disagree.

 

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Tommy Doyle, Bobby Hart

Tommy Doyle, a day three pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, showed that he still needs plenty of work before he is ready to see the field. That is expected for a rookie.

Bobby Hart, a veteran, also continued to struggle for the Bills this preseason. Despite Spencer Brown dealing with an injury there is no way the team can keep Hart on their roster as a swing tackle candidate. The Bills will likely be able to find an upgrade at the position via trade or waiver wire post-cuts.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Matt Parrino Article

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/08/bills-josh-allen-lights-up-packers-in-preseason-finale-gabriel-davis-is-a-problem-8-observations.html

 

Focus on what he had to say about D, nothing that will surprise anyone here:

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Work to do vs. run

Speaking of the Bills defense against the run, that’ll likely be an area that McDermott focuses on with his team the next two weeks leading up to the season opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Packers ran for over 100 yards and there were a few bad missed tackles and incorrect reads from the front seven when diagnosing running lanes. The Bills ultimately bent and didn’t break but Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, and Aaron Jones didn’t play.

 

He likes Klein:

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Dependable A.J. Klein

Klein was used quite a bit as the Bills used a lot of their 4-3 look in this game with Taron Johnson out with a wrist injury. Klein had four tackles including a massive tackle for a loss against Packers running back A.J. Dillon on a 3rd and goal carry that forced a 4th down. Klein’s ability to step in for either injured starter and play the third linebacker role has made him a valuable depth piece. That’s also a big reason the Bills can get by with just five linebackers if they choose to keep seven defensive ends.

 

I'd really like to keep Obada.  If our goal is to significantly improve our pass rush, I'm not persuaded we can change things by keeping them the same:

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Bam Johnson likely wins out over Efe Obada if...

Johnson was close on another sack but the second-year safety Josh Thomas beat him there. Johnson is obviously needed on special teams but it’s been his play off the edge that has made him stand out this preseason. He’s flipping inside more this year and has shown an ability to affect plays from both spots.

Brandon Beane said on the broadcast that he’s fielded some calls from other NFL GMs interested in his d-line depth. If he moves one of the defensive ends it’ll likely mean Johnson’s training camp/preseason performance factored in. Obada has been so good in camp but he was playing in the fourth quarter against the Packers. The numbers game at DE is going to be interesting.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

Someone pointed out that the Bills play a bend but don't break D and that's the truth. So I agree and put our troubles on that. We were very stout inside the twenties.

 

If we want to win a Championship, we need to be better than that.

[aceman_16]

4 hours ago, mabden said:

 

Green Bay scored how many points today?

This is truly your take? Our mostly first string D vs their 100% 2nd string O? You may want to rethink your posting strategy.

[nucci]

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Josh Allen is going to be one of those players that is not going to get the respect he deserves until he actually win the Super Bowl

what do you mean? Everything thing I watch and read about is Allen and how great he and the Bills look

[The Senator]

We won...we’re better.

 

GO BILLSSS!!!! 

 

(23 and 0 baby!!!!!)

[Chandler#81]

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If we want to win a Championship, we need to be better than that.

Are cornerback depth worries me a little bit all it took is for two players to be out and Cam Lewis was playing the boundary When he is much more suited to be inside

[billsfan1959]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Four receptions are great, but he was listed with 8 targets.  What happened on the other 4?  (haven't had a chance to watch full game yet)

 

Of the other 4 throws to Sanders, 3 were clearly uncatchable. 1 looked like a clear throw away that hit the ground 5 yards in front of Sanders; 2 were overthrown (1 over the middle and 1 deep along the sidelines); and the other could have been caught (?) but was really more of bad placement by Allen in a throw to the flat.

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

On her IG, Hyde’s 9 month pregnant wife said any day could be the day, she is dilated and had some minor contractions yesterday morning - but they went to the game anyway. She’s a true Buffalonian now.

[Captain Caveman]

I didn’t see the game and just catching up (at my wife’s family reunion) this weekend. Haven’t seen anything on any injuries, did we come away unscathed?