NJ Giants brawl at training camp - Daniel Jones at bottom of the pile

[CorkScrewHill]

I am pretty certain the Bills defensive players would hit each other before touching Josh .. different level of respect. Not the next to make the Josh leap IMHO.

 

 

[NobesBLO13]

Man, they’re really not taking Kelvin Benjamin being cut very well.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

[Blainorama5]

Sounds like Judge had a solid handle on his team.....  NOT!!!

[DrDawkinstein]

 

 

 

Ah, yes. The Greggo Method. Joe Judge is already losing his team before he ever had them. I predict a veteran revolt by mid-October.

[Malazan]

7 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I am pretty certain the Bills defensive players would hit each other before touching Josh .. different level of respect. Not the next to make the Josh leap IMHO.

 

 

 

Already has a thread: 

 

The Joe Judge out front should have told ya..

[thenorthremembers]

I dont know what the Giants are doing with Gettleman and Judge.  Just another complete waste of time ala the Ben McAdoo, and Pat Shurmur hires.   They are something like 29-51 since Coughlin was let go in 2015.    They are without question one of the worst run organizations in the league, and it's not going to get any better until they clean house including the guy they are running out at QB.  

[Greg S]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont know what the Giants are doing with Gettleman and Judge.  Just another complete waste of time ala the Ben McAdoo, and Pat Shurmur hires.   They are something like 29-51 since Coughlin was let go in 2015.    They are without question one of the worst run organizations in the league, and it's not going to get any better until they clean house including the guy they are running out at QB.  

 

They have certainly sucked the past 10 years but if you go back to 1986 (35 years ago) they have been to 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them. With the exception of the Pats they have won the most Super Bowls in that time frame.

[Kwai San]

10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont know what the Giants are doing with Gettleman and Judge.  Just another complete waste of time ala the Ben McAdoo, and Pat Shurmur hires.   They are something like 29-51 since Coughlin was let go in 2015.    They are without question one of the worst run organizations in the league, and it's not going to get any better until they clean house including the guy they are running out at QB.  

 

What is it about those Joisey teams???  Next thing ya know Spags will be hear screaming jests jests jests.  Them folks down state are a screwy lot.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, Kwai San said:

 

What is it about those Joisey teams??? 

Too much gabagool riles up the blood.

[thenorthremembers]

10 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

They have certainly sucked the past 10 years but if you go back to 1986 (35 years ago) they have been to 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them. With the exception of the Pats they have won the most Super Bowls in that time frame.

I agree, thats why it's sad to see.  Outside of the Bills I always enjoyed watching the Giants.  But since Coughlin left the organization it's been awful.  Horrible executive decisions, coaching hires, and drafting.     They need to get some fresh young talent in the front office asap.

Edited August 3, 2021 by thenorthremembers

[Rochesterfan]

5 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

They have certainly sucked the past 10 years but if you go back to 1986 (35 years ago) they have been to 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them. With the exception of the Pats they have won the most Super Bowls in that time frame.

 

 The Giants are an anomaly to me.  They catch a break and get Eli Manning and yet have coaches like Coughlin that just eat at a team.  Every 5-6 years they suddenly catch fire - play way over their head and win a Super Bowl and then immediately fade back into nothingness.

 

The entire NFC East seems like that.  Washington comes out of no where wins a SB and drops back into mediocrity, Philadelphia suddenly gets hot goes to the SB - drops back - changes coaches and bam lightening strikes again and then boom back to a crap roster.

 

I have no expectations that the Giants, Gettleman, and Joe Judge are going to do anything - especially with Daniel Jones as QB, but it seems to be coming up to that magic time that they seem to get to unexpectedly win again.

 

I just hope Joe Judge is gone first as he seems like a real 💩.

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I agree, thats why it's sad to see.  Outside of the Bills I always enjoyed watching the Giants.  But since Coughlin left the organization it's been awful.  Horrible executive decisions, coaching hires, and drafting.     They need to get some fresh young talent in the front office asap.

 

I was happy they beat the evil empire twice on the biggest stage but otherwise they are a "meh" team to me. Just another NFC team the Bills play every 4 years so I really don't care about them.

[Punching Bag]

28 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont know what the Giants are doing with Gettleman and Judge.  Just another complete waste of time ala the Ben McAdoo, and Pat Shurmur hires.   They are something like 29-51 since Coughlin was let go in 2015.    They are without question one of the worst run organizations in the league, and it's not going to get any better until they clean house including the guy they are running out at QB.  

 

Something to do with moving to Jersey.

[stevewin]

48 minutes ago, Blainorama5 said:

Sounds like Judge had a solid handle on his team.....  NOT!!!

To me the most surprising thing is that the players actualy did the running/push-ups and didn't just flip Judge off and laugh at him

[Blainorama5]

9 minutes ago, stevewin said:

To me the most surprising thing is that the players actualy did the running/push-ups and didn't just flip Judge off and laugh at him

Or just walk off the field and go get more biscuits from Popeyes

[CuseBill]

This morning on the Sirius NFL Network show, the two hosts, one of whom I think was Zig Fracassi and the other was Alex Boone (former 49ers guard), were literally comparing Judge to Bellicheat and saying how he is building the Giants into a contender in the mold of Bellicheat, with the same kind of discipline, blah blah blah.  Perfect timing for their take on Joe Judge. 

[Punching Bag]

Was Ex-Bills cornerback Troy Vincent on sideline as observer?

He has been known for hitting rookie QBs who are "uppity".

[GoBills!]

Kelvin got lucky to be cut before having to run sprints. He would of never made it. 

[machine gun kelly]

I think Joe Judge went to this guy for coaching advice…..

 

 

8 minutes ago, GoBills! said:

Kelvin got lucky to be cut before having to run sprints. He would of never made it. 

Or lost 10 of the 17 overweight.  What a maroon as Bugs says.

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

To me the most surprising thing is that the players actualy did the running/push-ups and didn't just flip Judge off and laugh at him

They are football players and since they were kids been ingrained in them to do whatever the coach says.. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

To me the most surprising thing is that the players actualy did the running/push-ups and didn't just flip Judge off and laugh at him

Coaches aren't supposed to get in players' faces and cuss them out when needed?  

 

Tell that to Nick Saban.  From what I heard Joe Judge did an excellent job last year for the Giants.  

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

1 hour ago, CuseBill said:

This morning on the Sirius NFL Network show, the two hosts, one of whom I think was Zig Fracassi and the other was Alex Boone (former 49ers guard), were literally comparing Judge to Bellicheat and saying how he is building the Giants into a contender in the mold of Bellicheat, with the same kind of discipline, blah blah blah.  Perfect timing for their take on Joe Judge. 

 

Judge comes across as an overly arrogant blowhard in the way that Gregg Williams came in here guns ablazing & blowing his airhorns in the halls of Bills camp.

 

You reap what you sow, guy.

 

And trust me, you're not that guy, Joe.

 

Maybe try earning respect first, & maybe keep your cool a little better?

 

 

27 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

From what I heard Joe Judge did an excellent job last year for the Giants.  

 

Sure, if you consider melting down at the microphone over covid & missing the playoffs at 6-10 excellent.

Edited August 3, 2021 by HankBulloughMellencamp

[machine gun kelly]

I’ve had my share of gassers, suicides, stairs, etc. but I was a kid.  These are grown men.  Even hard ass Coughlin had the captains get together and he listened.  He realized he couldn’t do that to grown men anymore.

[CSBill]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont know what the Giants are doing with Gettleman and Judge.  Just another complete waste of time ala the Ben McAdoo, and Pat Shurmur hires.   They are something like 29-51 since Coughlin was let go in 2015.    They are without question one of the worst run organizations in the league, and it's not going to get any better until they clean house including the guy they are running out at QB.  

Worse than the Jets? . . . That’s saying something. 🤪

[Dablitzkrieg]

As I get older I find myself changing. Seeing the way that the motivation with mcbean is successful,  the way Andy Reid coaches.   Motivation versus in your face.   Don't get me wrong,  I thought when Daboll went ape ***** on Josh a few years ago,  it was the best thing at that time.  But constant Greg Williams bs is unnecessary. 

[Don Otreply]

It’s quite nice to see other teams stewing in there own mediocrity, all made possible by poor decision making by those running the organizations, just awesome 👏 

[machine gun kelly]

8 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

As I get older I find myself changing. Seeing the way that the motivation with mcbean is successful,  the way Andy Reid coaches.   Motivation versus in your face.   Don't get me wrong,  I thought when Daboll went ape ***** on Josh a few years ago,  it was the best thing at that time.  But constant Greg Williams bs is unnecessary. 

Correct my friend.  It should be very calculated and rare to make a point, and not a regular matter.

51 minutes ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said:

 

Judge comes across as an overly arrogant blowhard in the way that Gregg Williams came in here guns ablazing & blowing his airhorns in the halls of Bills camp.

 

You reap what you sow, guy.

 

And trust me, you're not that guy, Joe.

 

Maybe try earning respect first, & maybe keep your cool a little better?

 

 

 

Sure, if you consider melting down at the microphone over covid & missing the playoffs at 6-10 excellent.

As Liar Liar said….

 

 

Love that movie and we’ll said.

 

At least that’s what GB, Donuts, Gugs, Eman, and Chandman keep telling me.

 

I can’t say what Weo tells me as there are ladies like Cowgirl in the room.  Simon says I can’t and you know what Simon says…

 

Ridge on the other hand.

Edited August 3, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

They have certainly sucked the past 10 years but if you go back to 1986 (35 years ago) they have been to 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them. With the exception of the Pats they have won the most Super Bowls in that time frame.

Shhh...facts are not welcome here

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

Was Ex-Bills cornerback Troy Vincent on sideline as observer?

He has been known for hitting rookie QBs who are "uppity".

 

Is he still in charge of "player safety"?  The guy who broke his QB's leg in training camp?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

51 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

As I get older I find myself changing. Seeing the way that the motivation with mcbean is successful,  the way Andy Reid coaches.   Motivation versus in your face.   Don't get me wrong,  I thought when Daboll went ape ***** on Josh a few years ago,  it was the best thing at that time.  But constant Greg Williams bs is unnecessary. 

 

Daboll has been assimilated.  He's Process now.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I am pretty certain the Bills defensive players would hit each other before touching Josh .. different level of respect. Not the next to make the Josh leap IMHO.

 

 

 

I heard 'Zo Alexander talk about the Myles Garrett incident and how "all you see is red" at times like that and what really holds you back are your teammates bear hugging you and physically walking you away.

 

So if it were really a melee, and Josh jumped into it, I think tempers would be so hot that respect level wouldn't matter.

 

The difference seems to be when a couple players get into it at our training camp as has happened at least 2x now, other players step in quickly to break it up.  It's not the respect for the QB that's the difference (though, when cool headed of course you're right they respect him).  It's having player leaders at each position who act effectively to keep a lid on things.

[That's No Moon]

No video? Booooooo.

[gomper]

Next Judge will hand out shovels and make them dig their own graves because "this is what you're doing to our season. "

[PrimeTime101]

4 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I am pretty certain the Bills defensive players would hit each other before touching Josh .. different level of respect. Not the next to make the Josh leap IMHO.

 

 

Judge.. Jury and the executioner.. or so it looks lol

[CorkScrewHill]

46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I heard 'Zo Alexander talk about the Myles Garrett incident and how "all you see is red" at times like that and what really holds you back are your teammates bear hugging you and physically walking you away.

 

So if it were really a melee, and Josh jumped into it, I think tempers would be so hot that respect level wouldn't matter.

 

The difference seems to be when a couple players get into it at our training camp as has happened at least 2x now, other players step in quickly to break it up.  It's not the respect for the QB that's the difference (though, when cool headed of course you're right they respect him).  It's having player leaders at each position who act effectively to keep a lid on things.

You might be right .. but I think if Peyton, Brady, Mahomes were in that situation the D of those teams would not put him at risk as it could kill the season. I believe the Bills feel that way about Josh

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said:

You might be right .. but I think if Peyton, Brady, Mahomes were in that situation the D of those teams would not put him at risk as it could kill the season. I believe the Bills feel that way about Josh

I could always be wrong but I think those QBs are too well aware of their responsibility to the team to put themselves in that situation, either

[billybrew1]

5 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont know what the Giants are doing with Gettleman and Judge.  Just another complete waste of time ala the Ben McAdoo, and Pat Shurmur hires.   They are something like 29-51 since Coughlin was let go in 2015.    They are without question one of the worst run organizations in the league, and it's not going to get any better until they clean house including the guy they are running out at QB.  

Really? They are that bad? Huh?  

 

No chance at that rough and tumble NFC East then?

 

Who wins it then?

 

Fitz?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

6 hours ago, NobesBLO13 said:

Man, they’re really not taking Kelvin Benjamin being cut very well.

You sir, have just won yourself post of the day! 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I dont know what the Giants are doing with Gettleman and Judge.  Just another complete waste of time ala the Ben McAdoo, and Pat Shurmur hires.   They are something like 29-51 since Coughlin was let go in 2015.    They are without question one of the worst run organizations in the league, and it's not going to get any better until they clean house including the guy they are running out at QB.  

Looks to me that they're just trying to keep pace with the JESTS.  Maybe it's just a Meadowlands thing.  Either way I agree that they are run very poorly.