YoloinOhio Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) Edited June 19, 2021 by YoloinOhio 6 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 I’m very excited to see our Dline this year. I just predict a lot of juice. 18 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I never lost faith in our D last year, understanding that many of our most important players (Tre, Milano and Edmunds) were out or playing injured. That being said, the thought of this D once again becoming destructive is very exciting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, RochesterLifer said: I never lost faith in our D last year, understanding that many of our most important players (Tre, Milano and Edmunds) were out or playing injured. That being said, the thought of this D once again becoming destructive is very exciting. It was also a different year and defenses were affected a great deal more by the lack of preseason than offenses were.. In addition, the Bills made a bet on quicker, penetrating lineman and then the league changed holding rules which I think impacted our D line quite a bit. I think they've done a decent job course correcting to accommodate the changes. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: It was also a different year and defenses were affected a great deal more by the lack of preseason than offenses were.. In addition, the Bills made a bet on quicker, penetrating lineman and then the league changed holding rules which I think impacted our D line quite a bit. I think they've done a decent job course correcting to accommodate the changes. I think defenses were also affected by lack of crowds. They really feed off of crowd noise and energy and that had to take some getting used to. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m very excited to see our Dline this year. I just predict a lot of juice. I feel the same way. Because of the ability to have normal OTAs and training camp, the return of some players, the addition of some players, and the maturation of other players (in terms of experience in the system and understanding of the game), I think this defense is going to surprise a lot of people - Particularly along the D-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I have high hopes that Efe Obada makes Addison irrelevant. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think defenses were also affected by lack of crowds. They really feed off of crowd noise and energy and that had to take some getting used to. I thought this was a huge factor all season. I forgot I thought that until now, and have been hoping we're just magically much better. Thanks for the reassurance/reminder of my own thoughts 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I’m excited about this DL. I think they will wreck havoc this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I have high hopes that Efe Obada makes Addison irrelevant. It may allow Addison to play fewer reps, which could actually increase his productivity 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It may allow Addison to play fewer reps, which could actually increase his productivity True but I see it more as a numbers game if he shows up really well in the summer. If he makes to roster I see Addison as expendable. Hughes Addison Epenesa Obada Rousseau Basham I can't see them keeping all 6 plus 4 DTs. Then again maybe they do but it takes from another position group. I'm seeing a total of 9 DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Now is this True true, or just true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m very excited to see our Dline this year. I just predict a lot of juice. We talking David Boston juice or production here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, DJB said: We talking David Boston juice or production here? Yikes- “energy” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Odaba is 2nd in High quality sacks per snap to Aaron Donald 👀 I really hope we keep 6 DE's active on gameday and rotate them a ton (and maybe move some guys inside in pass-rushing situations). The only way we could do that is if we have versatile backups at other positions who can step in at multiple positions. If Ryan Bates can play anywhere on the O-line in a pinch, then I don't see why we would need 9 O-linemen active. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: True but I see it more as a numbers game if he shows up really well in the summer. If he makes to roster I see Addison as expendable. Hughes Addison Epenesa Obada Rousseau Basham I can't see them keeping all 6 plus 4 DTs. Then again maybe they do but it takes from another position group. I'm seeing a total of 9 DL. Rousseau and Basham can line up inside too. Might reduce need of 4 traditional D Tackles. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: True but I see it more as a numbers game if he shows up really well in the summer. If he makes to roster I see Addison as expendable. Hughes Addison Epenesa Obada Rousseau Basham I can't see them keeping all 6 plus 4 DTs. Then again maybe they do but it takes from another position group. I'm seeing a total of 9 DL. I agree on the numbers point. Most of my life, the Bills carried a max of 4 Defensive Ends. In the McBeane years, they've seemed to carry 5. Never once have I seen 6 staying on the active roster. But when it comes to Addison being released, I see another unprecedented issue. Brandon Beane has never told a veteran "we need you to take a pay cut if you want to stay" and then cut the guy anyways. Even with guys we didn't even use like Tyler Kroft. I think it's a bad look to the locker room and their "process" team building. Beyond that, he doubled down in a press conference following the drafting of Rousseau and Basham stating Addison isn't going anywhere. That he's counting on his mentoring the Rookies and even discussed how he plans on using Addison in the rotation re: adjusted snap counts to maximize his impact this season. So I don't think Addison is going anywhere. I see us cutting Obada or carrying 6 guys with us either taking from another position to carry 10 D-Lineman or one of those DE's will be playing both inside and outside ala Quinton Jefferson. Edited June 19, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I really would be shocked if this guy gets cut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 How does "true sack score" compare to something like "turnover worthy plays"? Honestly asking because I have never heard this metric before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: How does "true sack score" compare to something like "turnover worthy plays"? Honestly asking because I have never heard this metric before. Looks like you need to subscribe to get the full analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I really would be shocked if this guy gets cut... I wouldn't. Unless he, Rousseau, or Basham are going to spend at least half the time inside playing DT - he's on the outside looking in. Because Hughes, Addison, Epenesa, Rousseau, and Basham are all locks and I've never seen us keep anything more than 5 DE's tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: It may allow Addison to play fewer reps, which could actually increase his productivity @GunnerBill approves the first half of this message 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I wouldn't. Unless he, Rousseau, or Basham are going to spend at least half the time inside playing DT - he's on the outside looking in. Because Hughes, Addison, Epenesa, Rousseau, and Basham are all locks and I've never seen us keep anything more than 5 DE's tops. I could see them keeping 6 DE's and 4 DT's honestly. I think if they like what they have in Star, Oliver, Phillips and Butler then they could easily justify keeping 6 DE's if they can have a lot of flexibility with players like AJ or Basham or Rousseau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I wouldn't. Unless he, Rousseau, or Basham are going to spend at least half the time inside playing DT - he's on the outside looking in. Because Hughes, Addison, Epenesa, Rousseau, and Basham are all locks and I've never seen us keep anything more than 5 DE's tops. NE is going to play us with a double TE and run the ball down our throat. I can't imagine the Bills carrying less than four true DTs.....The last time Star started he played < 40 snaps/game. In fact, the Bills need an upgrade at DT imho... Also LCB and TE. And if Cole chooses to die on that bitter hill, he has to be replaced (not absorbed) imho.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: How does "true sack score" compare to something like "turnover worthy plays"? Honestly asking because I have never heard this metric before. Sound 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: How does "true sack score" compare to something like "turnover worthy plays"? Honestly asking because I have never heard this metric before. It sounds like a PFF made up stat thing, frankly you sacked the QB or you didn’t, there really is no middle ground, much like the ball was intercepted or it wasn’t. What’s next? Do we get to see a stat that dings a RB for not getting the first down cleanly enough, or how about FG kickers who didn’t center the ball through the uprights. Stats should reflect wether the player achieved the plays goal or not, not this made up kinda mighta woulda shoulda silliness. Just get the F off my lawn with this crapolla…, 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, billybrew1 said: NE is going to play us with a double TE and run the ball down our throat. I can't imagine the Bills carrying less than four true DTs.....The last time Star started he played < 40 snaps/game. In fact, the Bills need an upgrade at DT imho... Also LCB and TE. And if Cole chooses to die on that bitter hill, he has to be replaced (not absorbed) imho.... I agree on the needing 4 DT's and ideally, another 1-Tech needing to be added behind Star. Which is why I'm leaning towards Obada not making the final 53. I think he was signed as insurance in the event we weren't able to land a DE we liked in the Draft. Then we drafted 2 in the first 2 rounds. So... yeah. Although I wouldn't be against a move being made, Corner isn't as huge of a need IMO as others feel. I don't think we were bad at the position last season and I see them even performing better than they did last season. And from what I've seen, Jackson is an upgrade from Josh Norman and that's the only change from last year. As for replacing Cole and needing another TE - I think Ertz should be revisited more than ever now (*ducks oncoming things thrown at him*). I think we're deep enough at WR with Diggs, Sanders, Davis, McKenzie, Stevenson, and Hodgins that we can afford to potentially lose him. Especially if we got another pass catcher like Ertz in the fold at TE. Edited June 19, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 48 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: NE is going to play us with a double TE and run the ball down our throat. I can't imagine the Bills carrying less than four true DTs.....The last time Star started he played < 40 snaps/game. In fact, the Bills need an upgrade at DT imho... Also LCB and TE. And if Cole chooses to die on that bitter hill, he has to be replaced (not absorbed) imho.... Good. We'll pass over their throats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I was genuinely suprised that we didnt address corner more aggressively.....I am thinking we are expecting a big jump in D line play to compensate for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I do love new statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I predict the D is going to another animal this year. I love what we’ve done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I really would be shocked if this guy gets cut... When are you going to change your name to Prince Herb? In sal we trust 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Can someone familiar with this gentleman and his "True Sack Rate" and HQ Sack statistics kindly explain how they are determined and what they mean relative to the sack numbers we're all familiar with? Speak slowly and use small words. 3 hours ago, Don Otreply said: It sounds like a PFF made up stat thing, frankly you sacked the QB or you didn’t, there really is no middle ground, much like the ball was intercepted or it wasn’t. That was my thought initially, but then I thought, well DLmen are on the field for different # of snaps. And they face a different # of snaps where a sack is possible (because sack = QB so if the ball handed off, can't sack) So it seems possible it could be legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 At least one of their d-linemen and one of their WRs will probably be playing meaningful snaps in 2021 for another team. They’ve got some really tough decisions ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I wanna say ‘Cool! That’s great!’ but I have no gotdam idea what they’re talking about.. 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I can see is trading Addison fur a 5th or 6th round pick before the season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I wonder if Hughes and Co get the same smile across their face as I do when I read the Steelers new offensive line depth chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I’m excited about this DL. I think they will wreck havoc this year. Wreak It Ralph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, wppete said: I can see is trading Addison fur a 5th or 6th round pick before the season starts. Mario…it’s Brandon…. Thanks for taking that pay cut a few months back …it’s made it easier for us to now trade you to the Bengals …enjoy Cincinnati… Fast forward to 2022 offseason…. Hey Pegs …it’s a Brandon… none of the guys will agree to take team friendly deals or pay cuts anymore… I don’t understand it… Edited June 20, 2021 by Aussie Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 9 hours ago, RochesterLifer said: I never lost faith in our D last year, understanding that many of our most important players (Tre, Milano and Edmunds) were out or playing injured. That being said, the thought of this D once again becoming destructive is very exciting. This sounds as if the defensive line will be quite different, not just personnel wise, but also the things they do. Of course, they probably didn't have the personnel they needed last season to do what they are envisioning this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Mario…it’s Brandon…. Thanks for taking that pay cut a few months back …it’s made it easier for us to now trade you to the Bengals …enjoy Cincinnati… Fast forward to 2022 offseason…. Hey Pegs …it’s a Brandon… none of the guys want to take team friendly deals or pay cuts anymore… I don’t understand it… You thought Addison and Butler actually WANTED to take pay cuts? They were coming off years where they were most likely going to get much less than their reduced salary in an open market............they didn't do it to help the team. This "don't be aggressive in personnel decisions because players will collectively hold it against you" nonsense has been around since the beginning of the drought. Players look out for #1 when it comes to contracts. Less money for that guy that didn't produce is potentially more money for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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