EDIT: Total cost to taxpayers? Bills select sports firm to represent ownership in building new open air stadium in OP, targeted for 2025

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

The ask is ridiculous, but you’re blowing the amount of money involved way out of proportion. 

Even if the starting number was say, 1 billion, and it is all tax payer funded, then in my opinion, it is still unwise. Look no further than Detroit, lots of shiny stadiums/arenas/ballparks through the years bought mostly with tax payers money yet the city may be the largest dump city in the country.

[mjd1001]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Please moderator end this fake news bull#### of a thread 

Yeah, even though something is a big story, and something a A LOT of people want to talk about and give their opinion about....lets ask the mods to end the thread because someone doesn't want it to continue.   THAT is what message forums are all about. lol

[Trogdor]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I get your sentiment, but have you looked at what your tax dollars go to?

 

A football stadium for a team people care about would probably rank in the top ten of positive things taxpayers help fund.  
 

I just can’t work up the moral outrage over this.  I’d rather the devil I know (PGSE) get rich off my tax dollars than the devil I don’t…. Or should I say “along with the devil I don’t”.  

When his whole schtick was how he could just sell another well? Can't really expect the same guy who raped PA to change here. If they don't care about using illegal chemicals in their drilling operations, do you think he cares about taking the team away from Buffalo? 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Trogdor said:

When his whole schtick was how he could just sell another well? Can't really expect the same guy who raped PA to change here. If they don't care about using illegal chemicals in their drilling operations, do you think he cares about taking the team away from Buffalo? 

Yes, I actually do.  At least I think Kim does. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm not saying anything you bring up is false, but the fact this news is out there is already a PR disaster for the Bills.  You don't bring up relocating the team as a possibility in any way if it can even have a slight chance of going public this early in negotiations.....in light of all that is going on with the Sabres and the Bills just turning the corner after a couple of bad decades.

Given the optimism for the coming season it's hard to believe that anything other than cutting Josh Allen would be a "PR disaster for the Bills".  They pretty much own the City and the fans right now.

[BuffaloBills1998]

3 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Yeah, even though something is a big story, and something a A LOT of people want to talk about and give their opinion about....lets ask the mods to end the thread because someone doesn't want it to continue.   THAT is what message forums are all about. lol

We’re talking about bull#### lol. First an article comes out that the Pegulas are getting ready to build a new outdoor stadium in orchard park but now it’s well Pegula wants 100 percent of taxpayer money and even though they haven’t threatened to leave but there’s rumor of Austin Texas being a viable spot lol. It’s all bull#### and you guys are gullible enough to believe this nonsense

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Time to break this out:

[mjd1001]

Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

We’re talking about bull#### lol. First an article comes out that the Pegulas are getting ready to build a new outdoor stadium in orchard park but now it’s well Pegula wants 100 percent of taxpayer money and even though they haven’t threatened to leave but there’s rumor of Austin Texas being a viable spot lol. It’s all bull#### and you guys are gullible enough to believe this nonsense

You just don't get it.  It DOESN'T matter that is or isn't true if it is out there. Blame someone for leaking it. Blame the media for reporting a false rumor or a true fact. It doesn't matter. It IS OUT THERE, so it is a discussion point...people want to talk about it.  Because you personally KNOW (somehow) that it isn't true doesn't just mean you should be the authority on this thread being closed down because you know so much that no-one else does.

[Big Turk]

On 6/18/2021 at 1:33 PM, jeremy2020 said:

 

He's joking as the greater Buffalo area is not one of the more affluent areas of the country.

 

It is improving...Buffalo is becoming a pretty big secondary tech hub with a lot of companies relocating their tech/IT centers here...the movement is picking up pace and those are very well paying jobs(software engineers/IT/Tech, etc).  It is moving in the right direction.

Edited August 1, 2021 by Big Turk

[Mango]

37 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Not sure what them being "great" owners means.  They are the owners, can do what they want with both teams.  But moving a team makes almost no sense with the cash cow that they have in WNY.

Again, I think this is a stupid bluff that I’m upset they made. 
 

But you had mentioned something along the lines of, “you’d have to be stupid”. And I basically responded with, they can be very stupid owners. 

[The Wiz]

Just now, Mango said:

Again, I think this is a stupid bluff that I’m upset they made. 
 

But you had mentioned something along the lines of, “you’d have to be stupid”. And I basically responded with, they can be very stupid owners. 

I'm sure everyone is upset about the bluff (assuming it's true).

 

Regarding the stupid part, they might be stupid owners, but not stupid business people.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

It’s 99% unlikely to happen, but I’ll be honest… this report just drained me of all my excitement for the upcoming season.   
 

Im sure my excitement will return, and I’m sure some clarifications on the story will come out as the season comes closer, but what a kick in the d**k story to read today. 
 

Even worse is all the pot stirring from sports outlets like PFT. 

 

It would be nice if the Pegula's issued a statement refuting this garbage rumor 👍

[JaCrispy]

Pegulas should sell the Sabres ASAP if they need funds...I’m sure Buffalonians would gladly sacrifice that dumpster fire of a franchise to save a potential world championship franchise in the Bills...

[Dablitzkrieg]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Yes, I actually do.  At least I think Kim does. 

I don't think either of them care.  They are pretty ruthless business people, from refusing to pay employees during the pandemic until pressured, to refusing to hold 3 killed soldiers' memorial in Rochester.  Seems like only $$ for them.   I get it,  but it still hurts

Edited August 1, 2021 by Dablitzkrieg

[Chicken Boo]

41 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Not sure what them being "great" owners means.  They are the owners, can do what they want with both teams.  But moving a team makes almost no sense with the cash cow that they have in WNY.

 

They won't move the team.  I'm all but sure of that, but it makes a ton of sense financially, especially if said city is going to foot the entire bill for the stadium.  The value of the Bills would undoubtedly increase in a larger market like Austin, for example.

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

I'm sure everyone is upset about the bluff (assuming it's true).

 

Regarding the stupid part, they might be stupid owners, but not stupid business people.

Yes, with fracking, and it made them

a fortune. It shows very astute business sense, and they clearly have accomplished a lot. However, many of their other businesses endeavors have actually been a bit rocky, and filled with mismanagement and PR disasters.  

[CheshireCT]

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I get your sentiment, but have you looked at what your tax dollars go to?

 

A football stadium for a team people care about would probably rank in the top ten of positive things taxpayers help fund.  
 

I just can’t work up the moral outrage over this.  I’d rather the devil I know (PGSE) get rich off my tax dollars than the devil I don’t…. Or should I say “along with the devil I don’t”.  

You absolutely bring up a good point in that there is money being wasted all over the place.  Nonetheless, when I see such a fiasco in broad daylight, it irritates me. LOL

[dollars 2 donuts]

Is this the wrong time to bring up the fact that Austin is a great town?

 

The music and the food alone will knock your socks off.

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Is this the wrong time to bring up the fact that Austin is a great town?

 

The music and the food alone will knock your socks off.

 

hah, I've spent most of my time since I moved here 13 years ago trying to find places with "buffalo food". 

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I'm sure everyone is upset about the bluff (assuming it's true).

 

Regarding the stupid part, they might be stupid owners, but not stupid business people.

The Pegula’s are a tweet away from dispelling all of this. There’s no way they don’t know about it at this point.  
 

From people who were partners with TP well before he bought the Sabres, your second sentence isn’t necessarily correct. But it’s not wrong. Terry is an engineer first. I’ll leave it at that. 

[Malazan]

Just now, Mango said:

The Pegula’s are a tweet away from dispelling all of this. There’s no way they don’t know about it at this point.  
 

From people who were partners with TP well before he bought the Sabres, your second sentence isn’t necessarily correct. But it’s not wrong. Terry is an engineer first. I’ll leave it at that. 

 

I'd say it's much more likely this is being pushed by Jerruh's company than the Pegula's themselves who have made statements saying a massively expensive stadium likely isn't the 'right' away to go...

 

My hunch is they'll let Jerruh shoot his shot and when the state tells him to go pound sand, they'll end up with something more realistic for the region. 

 

Everything aside, we know that Jerruh and his pal owners who need the revenue from their teams want to push small market teams to move. I don't think it happens here, but the likelihood is that in 20 years barring a real acceleration of growth in the region that the Bills will play outside of Western New York. 

[LabattBlue]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I'd say it's much more likely this is being pushed by Jerruh's company than the Pegula's themselves who have made statements saying a massively expensive stadium likely isn't the 'right' away to go...

 

My hunch is they'll let Jerruh shoot his shot and when the state tells him to go pound sand, they'll end up with something more realistic for the region. 

 

Everything aside, we know that Jerruh and his pal owners who need the revenue from their teams want to push small market teams to move. I don't think it happens here, but the likelihood is that in 20 years barring a real acceleration of growth in the region that the Bills will play outside of Western New York. 

So they are going to build a new stadium and then move 15 years later.  
 

Ummm...I don’t think so. 

Edited August 1, 2021 by BTB

[CheshireCT]

10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

They won't move the team.  I'm all but sure of that, but it makes a ton of sense financially, especially if said city is going to foot the entire bill for the stadium.  The value of the Bills would undoubtedly increase in a larger market like Austin, for example.

I think something that’s being left out of the discussion is that it’s tough to discount the fan base in Buffalo. It’s good for the NFL and it’s good for business. No matter where you move a team, you can’t assume any kind of fan base, and even if the seats are full, will you get that Buffalo energy.? No. The fan base in Buffalo will literally never budge. Even if the ticket revenue is low, who cares. We see how the entertainment sector capitalizes off the lunatic, table busting fans, and that’s intangible. Now that fans will be back in stadiums, imagine the television coverage of a packed bills house for the playoffs. It’s gonna be nuts after the last 20 years we’ve had.

[ChevyVanMiller]

5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I'd say it's much more likely this is being pushed by Jerruh's company than the Pegula's themselves who have made statements saying a massively expensive stadium likely isn't the 'right' away to go...

 

My hunch is they'll let Jerruh shoot his shot and when the state tells him to go pound sand, they'll end up with something more realistic for the region. 

 

Everything aside, we know that Jerruh and his pal owners who need the revenue from their teams want to push small market teams to move. I don't think it happens here, but the likelihood is that in 20 years barring a real acceleration of growth in the region that the Bills will play outside of Western New York. 

The continuing negative effects of global warming on the south and west is going to cause Buffalo to have a population boom that rivals the halcyon days of the Industrial Revolution.

[Brennan Huff]

The Bills are not leaving Buffalo. It’s embarrassing that it’s even being discussed..

[PrimeTime101]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

If I gotta pay for it, I want a got dam Dome!😡

wow we agree on something! that being said~ that topic is pretty split down the middle

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

The Bills are not leaving Buffalo. It’s embarrassing that it’s even being discussed..

Agreed.

 

That's why I am not even discussing anything about this.

 

Ain't happening in a million years. 

[Don Otreply]

Typical owners play book  shtick, likely much ado about nothing, TPegs likes his fiefdom in western NY, not much chance he wants to share  turf with the Cowboys and the Texans, that said, he will try to squeeze NYS for as much as he can get, in the end we will have a modern version of the current stadium, but with more / bigger shopping and food options, and then life will go on as usual…,

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Because it would be a conflict of interest. Same reason why Jacobs who wanted to buy the Bills but couldn’t because he owns the Boston Bruins. Terry would be forced to sell the Sabres and that’s not happening

 

Not if he moves them to a city without a hockey team.

 

Jacobs couldn’t because of the Sabres, but there are owners that own teams in multiple cities that do not have additional sport teams.

 

If the Bills moved to Austin - he could maintain the Sabres.  If the Bills moved to Dallas - he couldn’t because of the Stars.

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, Rochesterfan said:

 

Not if he moves them to a city without a hockey team.

 

Jacobs couldn’t because of the Sabres, but there are owners that own teams in multiple cities that do not have additional sport teams.

 

If the Bills moved to Austin - he could maintain the Sabres.  If the Bills moved to Dallas - he couldn’t because of the Stars.

No he couldn’t maintain the Sabres cause Austin doesn’t have a hockey stadium. And that’s not a hockey town lol he would lose a lot of money. Look the bottom line is Pegula isn’t moving the team. End of story

[Rochesterfan]

Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

No he couldn’t maintain the Sabres cause Austin doesn’t have a hockey stadium. And that’s not a hockey town lol he would lose a lot of money. Look the bottom line is Pegula isn’t moving the team. End of story

 

I agree he isn’t moving the team, but he could keep the Sabres in Buffalo and the Bills in Austin.  There is nothing against that.

 

He would not be moving the Sabres at this point.

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Because it would be a conflict of interest. Same reason why Jacobs who wanted to buy the Bills but couldn’t because he owns the Boston Bruins. Terry would be forced to sell the Sabres and that’s not happening

Or sell the Bills to new owners in Austin? 

[NobesBLO13]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I agree he isn’t moving the team, but he could keep the Sabres in Buffalo and the Bills in Austin.  There is nothing against that.

 

He would not be moving the Sabres at this point.

Agreed.

 

Also whether he could technically keep the Sabres or not, it wouldn’t be practical. The man who moved the Bills still owning the Sabres? They would be outcasts.

[CuseBill]

The Senate is likely to pass a $1 Trillion plus infrastructure spending bill.  It's not beyond the realm of possibility that our leaders in Albany will find a way to grab some of that money and call it "infrastructure spending" to make sure the State's only NFL team gets what it needs to continue to stay here and be successful.

[Malazan]

23 minutes ago, BTB said:

So they are going to build a new stadium and then move 15 years later.  
 

Ummm...I don’t think so. 

 

If the new Stadium doesn't vault the Bills to being in the top half of the league for revenue...15 years is a long time and owners pushing this on the Bills won't give a ****.

 

I suspect a new stadium won't be the massive revenue lifter that Jerruh wants it to be.

 

19 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

The continuing negative effects of global warming on the south and west is going to cause Buffalo to have a population boom that rivals the halcyon days of the Industrial Revolution.

 

It is a possibility especially with an ever increasing push towards remote work and the state's leadership is woefully unprepared to handle it because they're still in the pretend it's not happening phase. 

[SCBills]

43 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Is this the wrong time to bring up the fact that Austin is a great town?

 

The music and the food alone will knock your socks off.

Meh… I thought it was kind of a dump.  Maybe it was cool years ago…

 

In terms of football, It’s Atlanta on steroids with transplants, complete with a college team that owns the city (UGA/UT)

 

 

31 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

I think something that’s being left out of the discussion is that it’s tough to discount the fan base in Buffalo. It’s good for the NFL and it’s good for business. No matter where you move a team, you can’t assume any kind of fan base, and even if the seats are full, will you get that Buffalo energy.? No. The fan base in Buffalo will literally never budge. Even if the ticket revenue is low, who cares. We see how the entertainment sector capitalizes off the lunatic, table busting fans, and that’s intangible. Now that fans will be back in stadiums, imagine the television coverage of a packed bills house for the playoffs. It’s gonna be nuts after the last 20 years we’ve had.

I try to take off my homer glasses when discussing this stuff, but I truly think this point has merit.   Bills Mafia is the most iconic fan base in the NFL right now. 
 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by SCBills

[TSNBDSC]

Negotiations. They start high ... Not to worry

[MasterStrategist]

For comparison (and perhaps mentioned already), when Heinz Field was built in Pittsburgh it was funded 61% by taxpayer dollars.

 

Pegulas have no advantageous reason, except to calm down fans/media, to dispel very likely rumors to relocate.  

 

Chances aren't 0% that they relocate, but likely slim and as most said it's a business negotiation right now.  First offer, 100% funded with talk of.relocating, why not?  Both sides are going to put their own offers on the table, maybe State/County said something just as crazy through the negotiations.

 

Football about to start, sit back relax and enjoy that. This will all.get worked out, minus unnecessary worrying

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, CuseBill said:

The Senate is likely to pass a $1 Trillion plus infrastructure spending bill.  It's not beyond the realm of possibility that our leaders in Albany will find a way to grab some of that money and call it "infrastructure spending" to make sure the State's only NFL team gets what it needs to continue to stay here and be successful.

 

That would be Pork of the Piggiest kind if so.  Infrastructure is supposed to be stuff like highways, bridges, storm sewers, etc.

[SCBills]

Honestly, we should just create a charity account to fund the stadium…. We do it for everything else.   We obviously won’t raise 1.5 billion, but if there was ever a way to demonstrate to PGSE/NYS that y’all better get this done…

 

Then just donate it to charity when it inevitably doesn’t go towards the stadium. 
 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by SCBills