RD 2, Pick 29 (61): Boogie Basham, DE (Wake Forest)

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, klos63 said:

or because they are still the best players at their position. Not going to pay $10 million to mentor.

That to. But cap space could be the deciding factor. I would be pretty upset since last year they kept Trent Murphy instead of saving $7 million. Worst move by Beane IMO. 

[OldTimer1960]

I guess that I am in the minority, but I really like this pick even considering that they took Rousseau in round 1.

[klos63]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

That to. But cap space could be the deciding factor. I would be pretty upset since last year they kept Trent Murphy instead of saving $7 million. Worst move by Beane IMO. 

There is a savings cutting those 2 this year, but lot of dead cap too. Is it worth it?

[BigAl2526]

I will say I was surprised that Beane doubled up on DE.  I heard two opposing opinions expressed on TV.  Basham should bulk up some more and move inside, and, He should lose a little weight to gain quickness.  I'm of the latter opinion.  He actually times faster in the 40 than Rousseau.  He might lose a few pounds, still retain his strength and run a sub 4.6 40.  He's a natural left defensive end and should help in the run defense as well as getting after the passer.  Lots of competition on the D-line now (except at 1 tech).  It shows what Beane is thinking.

[Rocket94]

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I guess that I am in the minority, but I really like this pick even considering that they took Rousseau in round 1.

It is a great pick!

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’m not making a commentary on the 2 guys we picked this year. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt. I heard a lot of people mentioning basham in round 1 so I have to believe it’s a good thing we got him in the 2nd. I know very little about these guys....it’s more about the recent history. The last few years we have missed badly on the DLine. I also feel like the qbs get the ball out to fast. There’s no reason to waste premium assets on pass rushers. Even the best pass rushers barely get there. Might as well sure you the coverage or interior run defense.

i didn’t say you commented on them. I said the pass rushers are not valuable part was waaaaay over stated. 
 

in a league built to pass with an offense that is high scoring, interior run defense doesn’t excite me near as much as moving the passer who is trying to catch up to our offense.

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’m not making a commentary on the 2 guys we picked this year. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt. I heard a lot of people mentioning basham in round 1 so I have to believe it’s a good thing we got him in the 2nd. I know very little about these guys....it’s more about the recent history. The last few years we have missed badly on the DLine. I also feel like the qbs get the ball out to fast. There’s no reason to waste premium assets on pass rushers. Even the best pass rushers barely get there. Might as well sure you the coverage or interior run defense.

 

I think Beane may still pick up a NT as Star 2.0, or he could roll the dice and just hope Star has a great Renaissance year this season and look to fill the need later.

 

We still should be looking for our replacement for Morse too...

 

Basham seems pretty talented not to pick up where we got him, just wish we had more picks this round.

 

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Rosseau plays inside and outside. 

As does Basham and Obada.  You have some real flexibility on DEs right now.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Lorenzo Alexander’s old position

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

If you think of Ed Oliver as a miss you are just being silly.

I don’t think he’s been anywhere near what he was supposed to be. I’m not saying he’s terrible but he’s been very underwhelming IMO. The guy was taken at the top of a draft and is frequently invisible 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Here’s my way of accepting this: 

 

Would I trade a late first and two low seconds for an elite pass rusher? In a heart beat. We have 3 chances for one of these guys to become that, and maybe all three become something....

 

 

^ that logic helps a whole lot. 

I like our odds that at least 2 become good starters. Your guess as to the combo is as good as mine.

[BillsFan130]

We keep thinking A DE might be cut, but if basham and Rousseau are versatile maybe Harrison Phillips is in trouble? 
 

Along with zimmer of course

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

There is a savings cutting those 2 this year, but lot of dead cap too. Is it worth it?

Cutting Hughes makes no sense. Still a good pass rusher worth his cost. Addison? Well I think it comes down to training camp. If Epenesa or anyone else shows they're ready I think they make the move. 

[wppete]

Attison is good as gone... 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 minutes ago, The Governor said:

I mean, you saw how they man-handled us last year. 
 

I feel we’re a bit undersized.

Extremely. And it’s not like there is athleticism to overcome the size deficit either.  Love Jerry but he’s an overachiever.
 

and physicality matters. 
 

id rather risk an underachieving Tremaine Edmunds than risk an overachieving London Fletcher if I’m in the gm/selection biz.  

Edited May 1, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[jimmy10]

20 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 Then they'll kill whatever other QB they have to face...😎

My buddy who is a huge Vols fan just texted me asking that we please please please break Mac Jones in half. 

[Logic]

Beane: "I'm telling you, we draft Best Player Available, we draft with the future in mind, and we don't draft for need"

Fans: "Yeah, Beane, we know. It's all good. We trust you!"

Beane: "We're taking edge rushers back to back in rounds 1 and 2"

Fans: "WHAT? WHY?! This is ridiculous! It doesn't make any sense! We had bigger immediate needs! Rabble Rabble"

[DCofNC]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Thanks for the response.

 

Will be tough to trade him without eating a lot of salary

It’s the same to cut him, he’s gone, post June 1 designation.

[WideNine]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

i didn’t say you commented on them. I said the pass rushers are not valuable part was waaaaay over stated. 
 

in a league built to pass with an offense that is high scoring, interior run defense doesn’t excite me near as much as moving the passer who is trying to catch up to our offense.

 

...but if you have a stout interior that can counter the run, you can commit to just a four-man rush with the back 7 focused on coverage, which forces QBs to hold the ball longer which leads to sacks from your edge rushers.

 

It's complimentary rather than this or that.

 

 

 

Edited May 1, 2021 by WideNine

[stinky finger]

21 minutes ago, Devilmann said:

I agree it makes zero sense to me as well. I’m hoping when Beane has another presser he can go into some kind of reasoning when we could use another corner or center since Morse might be one concussion away from being a veggie. 

 

We don’t have anymore picks?

 

You’ll enjoy Rochell at 93

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I think Beane may still pick up a NT as Star 2.0

 

 

 

 

Give me Marvin Wilson in the 3rd and I'm loving the adds across the DL.

[Dickie]

39 minutes ago, below said:

Beane already said Rousseau will play DT on pass downs.

He didn’t say this at all.

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

42 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

I have no clue what happens round 3 at this point 

 

DE

 

 

[bobblehead]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Rosseau plays inside and outside. 

So does Basham

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Here’s my way of accepting this: 

 

Would I trade a late first and two low seconds for an elite pass rusher? In a heart beat. We have 3 chances for one of these guys to become that, and maybe all three become something....

 

 

^ that logic helps a whole lot. 

Well, yeah, and I like it, but it presents problems starting a couple of years from now.   Ideally, you keep all your first and second round picks, extending them after their rookie deals.   That's tough to do when you have three edge guys plus Oliver to consider.  You can't afford to extend all of them.   Doesn't seem like any of them can be your 1-tech guy, you can't have three big-contract edge rushers, you can't have two big contract 3-techs.   

 

You deal with it, of course, by dealing one or two of them before their rookie deals are done.   Not a perfect solution, it's manageable.  

 

Beane is just steadfastly BPA, and Basham was the BPA.   McDermott doesn't mind having too many good players.  

[billsbackto81]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t think he’s been anywhere near what he was supposed to be. I’m not saying he’s terrible but he’s been very underwhelming IMO. The guy was taken at the top of a draft and is frequently invisible 

Thats fair. Considering the monster he was in Houston and what we've seen, I'm a little disappointed as well. He's a good player but just hasn't lived up to his draft placement. Still plenty of time to show out and be the beast we expected.

[Rocket94]

33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I have issues with the pick ... but Basham was arguably the best player on the board regardless of position. He was my guess for who the bills would pick  at 30.

Agreed...I was thinking Basham or Tryon.

[klos63]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Cutting Hughes makes no sense. Still a good pass rusher worth his cost. Addison? Well I think it comes down to training camp. If Epenesa or anyone else shows they're ready I think they make the move. 

Exactly, final roster decisions are not made today.  A lot can happen between now and August.

[ganesh]

45 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

I actually like it. Solid pick

 

Can never have enough pass rushers.

 

Could also line him up all over 

That is how the Giants won all their super bowls....and so did Tampa last year.

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, beerme1 said:

 

If this is true, you can't have issues with the pick for value reasons alone. Big Baller Beane saw an issue and is making damn sure he fixes it. Love it. 

I just think they need more speed on the outside in a big, big way. And another CB who projects better than Levi. As I said elsewhere, they have have 5 first-round d-line picks (and now 2 second rounders). It’s a bit much in a league where cbs are the most important players in terms of the metrics.

Edited May 1, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, Dickie said:

He didn’t say this at all.

Yes, he said they expect he may move inside on passing downs.   I was surprised he was that frank about it.  

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

DE

 

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Boogie Basham is a badass who will be a fan favorite.

 

DEs can wear single digits now too 👀 

[klos63]

1 minute ago, billsbackto81 said:

Thats fair. Considering the monster he was in Houston and what we've seen, I'm a little disappointed as well. He's a good player but just hasn't lived up to his draft placement. Still plenty of time to show out and be the beast we expected.

He's very dependent on who's lining up next to him. In 2019, with Star, Oliver really came on strong in the 2nd half of the season. Looked like a superstar in the making, let's hope Star helps again this season.

[Logic]

If you need to comfort yourself about back-to-back edge rushers, here's what I suggest:

Go watch the AFC Championship Game and the Super Bowl back to back.

Then crack a beer, smile, and get excited to see Groot and Boogie destroy Mahomes  

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

...but if you have a stout interior that can counter the run, you can commit to just a four-man rush with the back 7 focused on coverage, which forces QBs to hold the ball longer which leads to sacks from your edge rushers.

 

It's complimentary rather than this or that.

 

 

 

 

im not saying ignore the run completely but we are building a team to score and create turnovers - not to ground and pound on either side. 
 

you can’t be elite at everything and where we want to stake our identity is both obvious and common sense given the state of the league. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[KOKBILLS]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

If you need to comfort yourself about back-to-back edge rushers, here's what I suggest:

Go watch the AFC Championship Game and the Super Bowl back to back.

Then crack a beer, smile, and get excited to see Groot and Boogie destroy Mahomes  

 

This is the way...😎

[Bob in STL]

He must have had a very high grade, more so than a corner or OL that we liked.