Bills players you disliked

[Royale with Cheese]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Here is all you need to know about what kind of guy Stevie Johnson was:

 

Chan Gailey made him into an important player............he fed him the ball and gave him the freedom to do almost whatever he wanted on the field........something that nobody else would have given him.

 

He owed his brief success to Gailey giving him a chance and putting him in position to succeed with his horizontal passing offense.

 

But when Gailey pleaded with him to stop with the totally unnecessary and embarrassingly immature unsportsmanlike conduct penalties..........he refused........spiting Gailey just days later in a game against the most hated division rival.    He basically challenged Gailey to bench him.........so Gailey had to.........and they then blew a big lead and lost.

 

Loser.

 

If you think Sean McDermott would have tolerated his bullish*t you are sadly mistaken.  

 

 

 

Stevie wouldn't have made one training camp with McDermott

[BruceVilanch]

Rob Johnson, Whitner, Peerless Price (Not as a person, I didn't like that he left), Gilmore seemed like a Dbag, Watkins, Mckelvin mostly because the fumble against the Pats. I liked ALL the 90's bills, but that's because we were winning.

[SirAndrew]

25 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I don't dislike him for that.   But it was impossible for me to ever like him again.

The only reason I dislike Harmon for that drop is the sketchy gambling past he had in college. It all might have been in his past at that point, but he wasn’t a guy I’d consider trustworthy. Lack of being of trustworthy is always a good reason to dislike a player. 

[JerseyBills]

Hated Aaron Maybin and James Hardy..

[BruceVilanch]

11 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

James Hardy..

wow, forgot all about that wasted draft pick.

[nedboy7]

I hated Fred Jackson.  
 

haha. I got you!  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

6 hours ago, KCNC said:

Anquan Boldin = quitter

I seriously forgot he was ever even On the team. Wow.

[Numark3]

Oh my gosh Chris Watson the punt catcher

[K-9]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

This might get a battery thrown at my head by some of you......but....young Jim Kelly

 

Back in my John from Cape Cod days when I was stationed up on Otis Air National Guard Base I had a friend (a pretty trustworthy guy he, I, and a young lady were out having beers one night and they told me of the day when Jim Kelly asked for a girls number in front of them (The woman was married)

 

It wasnt that Jim asked for the number....maybe he didnt know she was married?  It was his reaction to being rejected was he threw a drink in her face for rejecting him......she wasnt even being B about it just said no.   They were stunned. And Jim Kelly was asked to leave the establishment.

 

Didnt like him after I heard that.  Now to his credit it looks like Jim has grown up over the years and he has been threw his own trials along with victory's which I respect.

JK was a major A hole when he was younger and I’ll just leave it at that. 

[ALLEN1QB]

Alot of good pics my others MCcoy & the guy we traded for him,

Rob Johnson , T.O  & Losman

 

Edited April 9, 2021 by ALLEN1QB

[Bob in STL]

McGahee, Alphonso’s Pancake Breakfast, and Coach Greggggo 

[Paul Costa]

5 hours ago, dneveu said:

Justin Rogers.  I've never had a player induce as much rage as he did in that stretch of 2013 when gilmore and brooks were out and he was getting shredded by legit any QB/WR with a pulse. They cut him after gilmore came back with the club, but i hated that guy.  

This 😲

[klos63]

Holding , offense number 72. Ken Jones.

[Stank_Nasty]

Robert Royal:

Freaking 4 fumbles in just 58 touches during a 2 year span. A tight end with a fumbling issue. What the actual F.

 

Aaron maybin:

Had the audacity to hold out and then came to work at about 165lb soaking wet. 
 

Jordan Mills:

He just freaking sucked and it seemed the franchise just couldn’t get enough of it. 

2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Josh Reed and Zay Jones....2nd round picks that were massive busts. 

Jones biggest contribution in his 2 years was making sure Fat A** KB was lined up in the right spot each play.... Like basically physically putting KB where he needed to be each and every play. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, cwater10 said:

All due respect BADOL, but as they say; you are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.  The FACTS are that Stevie was a 7th round pick in 2008, the same draft that Buffalo selected James Hardy in round 2.  Stevie proved to be the superior player and made that higher pick of Hardy a distant bad memory.  David Nelson and Donald Wilson came on undrafted in 2010, Gailey's first season, but were not really factors until 2011.  2010 is the year that SJ really made his bones in this league.  You are omitting from your memory the other 2 primary receivers on the Bills in 2010, Lee Evans (1st Round Selection) and Roscoe Parrish (2nd Round Selection).  Johnson's emergence in 2010 was no small factor in Evans eventually becoming expendable.  

 

And I think that maybe you have the Gailey/Johnson dynamic backwards.  You say that SJ owes his success to Gailey.  Perhaps it is Gailey, who was off to a 0-8 start when he offered these unheard of "freedoms" to a young receiver, that owes some of his success to Stevie.  In so doing, the offense came alive and finished out the season splitting the final 8 games, allowing Chan to stick around for two more seasons.

 

I guess it all depends upon what lenses you choose to peer through.  You refer to a lost generation of young Bills fans with low standards.  Seriously, WTF is that crap? I have been going to games since they were played at War Memorial.  I've seen it all, on and off the field and I'll guarantee that you know precious little about my "standards" or expectations.  I know good football players when I see them.  I know good fans when I see them and hear them.  And neither can be pigeon holed into some pre-conceived notion that you may have about generations, work ethics, etc....  Young fans and old are individuals, not the monolith that you seem to be pointing to.  Same with players...  They come in all shapes, sizes and from all cultures.  They are individuals playing a team game.  Stevie was both.  I celebrate him.  

 

And most importantly, as an official old fool, I raise a toast to that young lost generation that seems to perplex you.  Take a closer look and open your eyes.  They sat through that crap, sans the good memories from the glory years and are still here to revel in the return of the good times.  That is a fan.  Cheers!  

 

Besides...  How in the hell do you resent a player that pretended to fire a musket at the Patriot mascot.  That is pure gold.  If that team had more players with that level of passion, that decade would have been so much more enjoyable and memorable.

 

 

1) I don't know where you get the Johnson/Hardy narrative.   Hardy was a bust.......Johnson was just a roster hanger-on during that period.    Stevie Johnson's out-producing James Hardy 12 catches to 10 in 2008-2009 did not make anyone forget that Hardy was a bust.    

 

2) Evans and Parrish were at the end of their careers in 2010.......misfit vertical receivers a horizontal passing offense with two short tossing QB's......their draft status as they were washing out as players is completely irrelevant.   After 2010 the two of them combined for a total of 90 yards receiving before they hung up the cleats.

 

3) You are conflating Donald Jones and George Wilson..........different guys.   

 

4) What I know is that Gailey gave him a chance to play and a style of offense that was perfect for his skillset.   And his reward?   Johnson openly defying a totally reasonable request to not commit selfish penalties.    

 

5) Your second and third paragraph is utter self-serving "I'm the cool old guy" sh*t.     That was a lotta' words to twist what I said.    I respect the lost generation of Bills fans who grew up not knowing what a contending team looks like.........you raise a toast from afar if you want........ I tailgate with them every home game.  Some of them since they were kids and now they have kids.    They had every right to not want anything to do with the morbidly mediocre, drought era Bills.   Like I said,  I blame the organization for the incompetence.   When your team has no substance,  the people are naturally going to gravitate to any "style" in it's absence.    Even some people who should have a higher standard found importance in some of his stupid acts......like that "pure gold" you described.   

 

You think you know what everything looks like..........well if you think Sean McDermott would tolerate an asshat like SJ13 then you don't know much.

   

[SF Bills Fan]

Willis McGahee never liked being in Buffalo and bad mouthed the town constantly. I saw Billy Joe Hobert's name above a few times and agree there. A few people mentioned Kelly and he was a cocky bastard back in the day. I met him when I was younger and on that day he was a great guy. I think if you caught him with a hang over, he'd snarl. 

[Arm of Harm]

4 hours ago, Buftex said:

I'm guessing it is because a large percentage of the folks here are too young to have seen him play. They likely know him more for hiis post career antics.  As somebody who came of age as a Bills fan very much during the OJ era, it saddens me a bit that his greatness as a football player has really been downplayed so much by the NFL.  I totally understand why, but it kills the Bills fan in me.  I still think he is one of the top 5 running backs in my lifetime....and right up there was Bruce Smith as one of the two best players in franchise history. 

 

Now, when they talk about he all-time greats, he is an afterthought.  When NFL Network did their all-tme coutndown, he ranked fairly high (can't remember where now) but only got cursary mention by the analysts.  Like they want everyone to forget him.  It really is kind of a scar for a lot of us older fans.

 

Perhaps you should be more careful in your choice of words? 🤨

[Buftex]

2 hours ago, BruceVilanch said:

Rob Johnson, Whitner, Peerless Price (Not as a person, I didn't like that he left), Gilmore seemed like a Dbag, Watkins, Mckelvin mostly because the fumble against the Pats. I liked ALL the 90's bills, but that's because we were winning.

Funny you mention Price... he is one of my very favorite players of the "drought era".  I was so excited when they re-signed him later. 

 

I forgot how many people hated Whitner.  I think he was a guy who just wanted to fire his teammates with bold proclomations, but couldn't deliver on his own, and for the most part, the team around him pretty much sucked.  He played his heart out as a Bill...no wonder he had more luck when he went to a better team.  

[Sweet Lou]

Dick Jauron - It’s tough to win in NFL

Trent Edwards - Gotta look at the tape

Rob Johnson - Sacked again & again

EJ Manuel - Couldn’t read playbook

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Stevie wouldn't have made one training camp with McDermott

 

 

I think everyone knows it..........but it hurts his fans to hear it.

 

The term "Bills Mafia" was not born of logic..........it came about by loss-grief stricken fans defending SJ13 against national media mocking him for losing a game with a drop and then blaming God on twitter..........but I think after a few years of winning those fans now know that kinda' sh*t shouldn't have happened......wouldn't be accepted in that locker room now....... and did not warrant excuse making at the time.

[Buftex]

10 minutes ago, Sweet Lou said:

Dick Jauron - It’s tough to win in NFL

Trent Edwards - Gotta look at the tape

Rob Johnson - Sacked again & again

EJ Manuel - Couldn’t read playbook

I find it much easier to hate coaches than players.  If we are counting coaches, Jauron and Rex Ryan top my list. Hated when they hired Rex...I admit I was almost seduced, but ultimately, he was as big a train-wreck as I anticipated he would be. 

 

Jauron almost singlehandedly had me wondering if I should watch the Bills any more.  I know they had worse teams, but Jauron just coached the fun and  joy out of football, for me.  I hated his tenure. To me, the one time TO popped off while he was in Buffalo, was to complain about the blandness of their game plans...Jauron got fired the next week.  For that, I can never hate TO.  Just as some say that Flutie "saved the Bills from leaving the Bills", Terrell Ownes may have saved me from ditching the Bills.

Edited April 9, 2021 by Buftex

[Reks Ryan]

9 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Jairus Byrd & Stephon Gilmore were both unprofessional and quit on the team.

Definitely.  First guy I thought of was Gilmore.  Afraid to make a tackle, and would look around to blame another player when he got beat.    But I forgot about J. Byrd.  Totally quit on the Bills and seemed to exagérate an injury his last year.  

 

Have ro add Bryan Cox Jr.  Because his dad’s such a tremendous a-hole.

 

I see some people naming Magahee and  M. Lynch.  Those guys might’ve bad mouthed Buffalo, but at least they ran hard.

[Arm of Harm]

3 hours ago, Baba Booey said:

Scott f’ing Norwood. 

 

I can't agree with you on this. Consider the following:

 

1) No way, absolutely no way, should the coaches or players have allowed that game to come down to a 47 yard field goal try on grass. Plenty of wasted opportunities which led to that.

 

2) The long snapper was at fault for snapping the ball incorrectly. With a correct snap the laces should be facing the proper direction.

 

3) The holder was at fault for failing to turn the laces to the proper direction.

 

4) Norwood's kick had the distance, but angled the wrong direction--as you'd expect when the laces were facing in.

 

5) Norwood never forgave himself for that missed field goal. Some would say it ruined the rest of his life.

 

[klos63]

38 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

I can't agree with you on this. Consider the following:

 

1) No way, absolutely no way, should the coaches or players have allowed that game to come down to a 47 yard field goal try on grass. Plenty of wasted opportunities which led to that.

 

2) The long snapper was at fault for snapping the ball incorrectly. With a correct snap the laces should be facing the proper direction.

 

3) The holder was at fault for failing to turn the laces to the proper direction.

 

4) Norwood's kick had the distance, but angled the wrong direction--as you'd expect when the laces were facing in.

 

5) Norwood never forgave himself for that missed field goal. Some would say it ruined the rest of his life.

 

So basically, the kicker has nothing to do with the outcome of the kick?

38 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

I can't agree with you on this. Consider the following:

 

1) No way, absolutely no way, should the coaches or players have allowed that game to come down to a 47 yard field goal try on grass. Plenty of wasted opportunities which led to that.

 

2) The long snapper was at fault for snapping the ball incorrectly. With a correct snap the laces should be facing the proper direction.

 

3) The holder was at fault for failing to turn the laces to the proper direction.

 

4) Norwood's kick had the distance, but angled the wrong direction--as you'd expect when the laces were facing in.

 

5) Norwood never forgave himself for that missed field goal. Some would say it ruined the rest of his life.

 

It's perfectly reasonable to stick up for Norwood, but the 'it never should have come down to a kick' excuse is one of the most BS one's I've heard and have listened to it for 30+ years. Games come down to kicks , that's why you have kickers. He missed it, nobody else did.

I've never heard excuse #2 before, you can blame the LS for a bad snap that's too high, bounces, wide... but it's his responsibility to have the laces correctly? That's a new one for me.

 

Sorry Mrs Norwood, he missed it and we all have to live with the pain forever.

[klos63]

43 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said:

Definitely.  First guy I thought of was Gilmore.  Afraid to make a tackle, and would look around to blame another player when he got beat.    But I forgot about J. Byrd.  Totally quit on the Bills and seemed to exagérate an injury his last year.  

 

Have ro add Bryan Cox Jr.  Because his dad’s such a tremendous a-hole.

 

I see some people naming Magahee and  M. Lynch.  Those guys might’ve bad mouthed Buffalo, but at least they ran hard.

There is no proof that Byrd quit on the Bills or exaggerated his injury. No reason to believe that. He was an All Pro caliber player before his injury, for some reason someone suggested he faked it and some people ran with it. He was a tremendous player with the Bills.

[BobbyC81]

8 hours ago, BillsfaninChicago said:

Ronnie Harmon! I was in first grade and I still remember that drop...

And he followed it up by saying the pass was off.

[billsherd]

Byrd

[GreggTX]

Phil Villapiano for obvious reasons.

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

So basically, the kicker has nothing to do with the outcome of the kick?

It's perfectly reasonable to stick up for Norwood, but the 'it never should have come down to a kick' excuse is one of the most BS one's I've heard and have listened to it for 30+ years. Games come down to kicks , that's why you have kickers. He missed it, nobody else did.

I've never heard excuse #2 before, you can blame the LS for a bad snap that's too high, bounces, wide... but it's his responsibility to have the laces correctly? That's a new one for me.

 

Sorry Mrs Norwood, he missed it and we all have to live with the pain forever.

How about the Bills defense that let WR Mark Ingram break several tackles to convert a 3rd and 17?

[BigDingus]

Rob Johnson (looked like a d-bag, played like a pansy)

Willis McGahee (we use a 1st rounder on your injured a** while having a pro-bowl RB already...then you gonna crap on the city?!)

Tyrod Taylor (not personally, just how he played the last season & a half...made Trent Edwards look like a gunslinger!)

Marcel Dareus (take the money & do nothing...yay)

Kiko Alonso (fine his 1 season that he played here, then became a cheapshot artist)

Marcus Stroud (big hype around his signing, got an extension, then did nothing)

 

[whatdrought]

TO. Hate divas, and he was the king of that.

[Chicharito]

Chidi Ahanotu. He was trash Hated buffalo so he took a limo everyday from Toronto for practice and games. Buffalo wasn’t big enough for him. Dou*******

[GunnerBill]

If we are including coaches then it is Rex Ryan hands down. 

 

The day the news broke that we were hiring Rex is genuinely the closest I have ever felt to just saying "screw it I'll find something else to be interested in." 

 

The day we fired him is in my top 5 Bills fan moments.

[BruceSlayne]

Vontae Davis,  Who quits at halftime?

[GymShorts84]

5 hours ago, Reks Ryan said:

Definitely.  First guy I thought of was Gilmore.  Afraid to make a tackle, and would look around to blame another player when he got beat.    But I forgot about J. Byrd.  Totally quit on the Bills and seemed to exagérate an injury his last year.  

 

Have ro add Bryan Cox Jr.  Because his dad’s such a tremendous a-hole.

 

I see some people naming Magahee and  M. Lynch.  Those guys might’ve bad mouthed Buffalo, but at least they ran hard.

Agree on Gilmore. His last year here, he refused to tackle anyone. He quit on the team to make sure he got the next contract. 
 

 

[Teddy KGB]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think everyone knows it..........but it hurts his fans to hear it.

 

The term "Bills Mafia" was not born of logic..........it came about by loss-grief stricken fans defending SJ13 against national media mocking him for losing a game with a drop and then blaming God on twitter..........but I think after a few years of winning those fans now know that kinda' sh*t shouldn't have happened......wouldn't be accepted in that locker room now....... and did not warrant excuse making at the time.

is this the part where we pretend Stevie Johnson isn’t good at football ? 

[sherpa]

I'd include Ko Simpson on the list.

The year we drafted him I was at a UVA college baseball game and sat next to ag guy who said he was a regional scout for an NFL team, not the Bills, but he wouldn't say which team.

 

I asked him what he thought of our draft, and specifically Ko Simpson.

He kind of grimaced and said "Believe the Wonderlic."

 

One guy I didn't dislike but could never figure out was Jeff Posey.

The man simply never did anything.

 

 

 

[Billy Claude]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

If we are including coaches then it is Rex Ryan hands down. 

 

The day the news broke that we were hiring Rex is genuinely the closest I have ever felt to just saying "screw it I'll find something else to be interested in." 

 

The day we fired him is in my top 5 Bills fan moments.

 

No real players -- except maybe Rob Johnson -- who, at least according to Marty Biron, actively rooted against the Bills when Flutie was playing,  but definitely lots of coaches and front office

 

1.  Rex Ryan -- such a megalomaniac

2. Gregg Williams -- Mr. Blowhorn

3. Tom Donohoe -- thought something was wrong when Marvin Lewis chose the Bengals over the Bills.

4. Mike Mularkey -- trick plays when up 30 points is just karma waiting to happen

5. Doug Marrone -- although I liked him much better after he left.

 

[cwater10]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think everyone knows it..........but it hurts his fans to hear it.

 

The term "Bills Mafia" was not born of logic..........it came about by loss-grief stricken fans defending SJ13 against national media mocking him for losing a game with a drop and then blaming God on twitter..........but I think after a few years of winning those fans now know that kinda' sh*t shouldn't have happened......wouldn't be accepted in that locker room now....... and did not warrant excuse making at the time.

I don't think that everyone knows it.    I think that this is a grey area and an unknown.  I love McDermott, of that I am sure.  I know that he as competitive as they come.  Beyond that, I can't claim to have climbed inside his psyche to know how he would respond to every player in the league.  I know that he quickly bounced guys that didn't buy in to the team culture and didn't fit the general scheme envisioned for their positions.  I know that he also has embraced some players that we may not have expected.  Be honest, when Diggs was sulking and tweeting his way out of Minnesota at the end of 2019, did you look on and say hey... there is a "process guy"?  Did you expect that guy to be the missing piece for a McDermott team?  I sure didn't.  

 

With respect to Stevie, he was a craftsman who ran routes as well as anyone in the game at that time.  Sound like a familiar skill set?  Would he have bought in?  We will never know for sure.  How would McDermott have reacted to Stevie?  We don't that either.  But we do have some clues, and not all of them suggest what you say is a slam dunk, sure outcome.  Listen to McDermott's reaction on the field last year after Josh took a taunting penalty after scoring against the Chargers last year: 

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/03/sean-mcdermott-didnt-mind-josh-allen-taunt-buffalo-bills/ 

 

Clearly, McDermott was not upset with Allen's penalty, which many would call "selfish".  Others would call it competitive swagger.  McDermott is clearly in that camp.  Gailey appears to have been more in that camp than it appeared on the surface.  If you go back and look into Gailey's reaction to Stevie's infamous penalty against New England at the end of 2011 which got him benched, you may be surprised.  Gailey acknowledges not only that he didn't understand how that could not be a penalty one year, but could be the following, he also acknowledges that he had to bench him because he had kind of painted himself into a corner earlier in the season by telling the entire team that would be the result if any member of the team took that penalty.  Interviewed after the game, Gailey's words revealing as to how upset he really was with Stevie.

 

CHAN GAILEY, HEAD COACH

Q:What's your view of Stevie Johnson's penalty? 

CG:Well, what we said after we had an issue earlier in the season was 'If anybody got a penalty that hurt our football team for any kind of demonstration, that he was out that game and then we would decide about the next game.' And so, if I say that, then I am going to do it, so he was out. 

Q:How disappointed are you in him for doing what he did? Because he knows better... 

CG:Well, you know, I am disappointed. What happens is, it happened last year, he put a message on his shirt, showed his shirt and didn't get a flag. And he does it this year, and he gets a flag. Which one is it, you know? It puts me in a bind because I make the statement and if I say it, I'm going to do it. So, I could not argue the grey area of that. So, yeah, I'm disappointed and if it hurts the team, then I've got to do what I've got to do. 

Q:Stevie Johnson has had a history of being selfish. At what point do you get tired of it? 

CG:I got tired of it the first time it happened. But, you hope people learn from situations. You know, there isn't anybody who hasn't made mistakes, but you've got to learn from your mistakes. And everybody falls in that category, me too, and I have said this a hundred times. He is not a bad guy; he's not. He's a good guy, but he uses some bad judgment at times and if you do that enough and it hurts the team, you've got to do something.

 

https://www.patriots.com/news/bills-postgame-quotes-178376  (Sorry for the evil empire link, but gotta take the 10 year old quotes where you find them...)

 

At any rate, the point is football coaches like competitive guys.  Sometimes they do foolish things out of enthusiasm and swagger.  I don't pretend to know that McDermott would have it, would have been more successful or even willing to coach that out of Stevie.  I do sense that he wants to leave that swagger and enthusiasm just as it is in Josh.  

 

So BADOL let's just leave it here.  Clearly you have a distaste for Stevie Johnson.  Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion.  Equally clear, my opinion runs counter to yours.  You may be right.  I don't know.  But I am not sure that you or anyone else on this board knows how Stevie would have fared under McDermott.  I think that it would have been fun to have a time machine to bring young Stevie 10 years into the future to find out.

 

[HOUSE]

I love them all but Marcell Dareus was a real challenge for me.