Falcons shopping Pick #4

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

A new standard for illogical Edmunds bashing:

Agreed.  I thought he's ok.

[Governor]

I had the feeling these QB’s wouldn’t all go early. If we were hoping a player was going to slide to us, that probably isn’t going to happen now. We would likely have to trade up a few spots.

[Pete]

Of course they are

[Matt_In_NH]

11 hours ago, wagne591 said:

Get it done Beane!!!! we can give the dirty birds this years first and next years first along with a third and a late rounder in either year so we can get Pitts. I know we need some D but this guy has all the tools to make our Offense even better. We wont be getting starters with later first round picks anyway not with this roster. But if we get Pitts we get a starting TE. Thoughts.....

I would even throw in Edmonds in on the deal and draft a MLB in the second round!!!

 

If the Falcons were to agree to that the Bills should do it, then trade back for more draft capital which would be more representative of the value of the #4 pick.   The package presented would be an out and out theft!  Unfortunately, no way the Falcons would go for it.

[Putin]

This sucks a 4th QB will be taken before pick # 6 I really don’t want to see Pitts in Miami , I was kind of hoping he would go to the Falcons 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 hours ago, wagne591 said:

Get it done Beane!!!! we can give the dirty birds this years first and next years first along with a third and a late rounder in either year so we can get Pitts. I know we need some D but this guy has all the tools to make our Offense even better. We wont be getting starters with later first round picks anyway not with this roster. But if we get Pitts we get a starting TE. Thoughts.....

I would even throw in Edmonds in on the deal and draft a MLB in the second round!!!

 

I don't like trading multiple firsts for non-QBs.  Let alone the massive capital it would take to get to 4 (pick 30, 1st rounder in 2022, probably 2 2nd's as well since we pick late in 2021, and the assumption would be that they pick late again in 2022.  

 

While the team looks close to set for this year and next, trading all of your picks means in 2023 you are lacking quality players to step in when other players walk - Hughes, Addison, morse, mongo, williams, beasely, Hyde, Poyer etc.  Big extensions looming for Allen, possibly Edmunds, means the pool of money for free agents gets smaller and smaller.  You also are less likely to have young star players along the line. 

 

And sometimes players don't work out - Epenesa, Oliver, Ford haven't really contributed too much yet, and you can't just assume they'll make a jump.  

[blacklabel]

11 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

Matt Ryan told him in the bread aisle at the Supermarket

 

Or maybe it was one of many "high level" business meetings....

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, Putin said:

This sucks a 4th QB will be taken before pick # 6 I really don’t want to see Pitts in Miami , I was kind of hoping he would go to the Falcons 

 

I'm not like, afraid of him at the same time?  I think he certainly has traits vernon davis didn't have, but davis ran a sub 4.4 40, was super strong and honestly a very good player.  Davis was also never first team all-pro.  

 

They'd also be taking snaps away from Geisicki, whos honestly really good.  Smythe is also better than they give credit.

 

I saw the fuller deal as a placeholder for their WR, so i expect them to go WR.  

[PetermansRedemption]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think they are in the Quarterback market. I think they should be, but my instinct is they are gonna stick with Lock another year.

Given Elway’s track record of QB’s, I’ll agree that he is going to stick with Lock and hope he was finally right on a QB evaluation. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, HOUSE said:

I highly doubt every Bills selection has a chance to make this years team. Also, Beane is signing a lot of depth players this year.

 

So.........I think the Bills trade up somewhere near mid first round

 

I think DT/DE is possible and needed.  As well as CB.  Oline depth is also something to build upon.  Safety could use some youth or a "big nickel".  Probably not all roster players necessarily right out of the gate, but 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, PetermansRedemption said:

Given Elway’s track record of QB’s, I’ll agree that he is going to stick with Lock and hope he was finally right on a QB evaluation. 

 

I would wait.  I haven't seen much from lock, but do you really want the 4th best QB in the class?  Lawrence, Wilson, ????.  I think 49ers take Lance?  But it could be fields or Jones I guess.  

[GunnerBill]

As for Atlanta, if they are not selecting a Quarterback and are picking at #4 they should pick Patrick Surtain. Corner has been a problem forever in that defense and I know not everyone does but I have Surtain as absolutely worth a top 5 pick. 

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

 

I would wait.  I haven't seen much from lock, but do you really want the 4th best QB in the class?  Lawrence, Wilson, ????.  I think 49ers take Lance?  But it could be fields or Jones I guess.  

 

The 4th best QB in this class might well be the 2nd best QB next year though.... these 4 are decent prospects. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

As for Atlanta, if they are not selecting a Quarterback and are picking at #4 they should pick Patrick Surtain. Corner has been a problem forever in that defense and I know not everyone does but I have Surtain as absolutely worth a top 5 pick. 

 

The 4th best QB in this class might well be the 2nd best QB next year though.... these 4 are decent prospects. 

 

Very true - if you can sit at 8 or 9 or wherever they pick and get him.  Moving up in the top 10 is expensive.  Depends who goes at 3 I think too.  

[BillsShredder83]

6 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

We pick 30th and will pick late next year so a hard no Atlanta would never do that deal.  As far as Watkins, we didn’t give up two 1’s.  We swapped 9th to 4th and gave up 1 1st round pick the next year, plus the other stuff.

Oh Lord, please dont set off this argument again 😆 (just kidding i agree, but i remember 30 pages of this argument back in the day)

[djp14150]

13 hours ago, wagne591 said:

Get it done Beane!!!! we can give the dirty birds this years first and next years first along with a third and a late rounder in either year so we can get Pitts. I know we need some D but this guy has all the tools to make our Offense even better. We wont be getting starters with later first round picks anyway not with this roster. But if we get Pitts we get a starting TE. Thoughts.....

I would even throw in Edmonds in on the deal and draft a MLB in the second round!!!

who was it we drafted at around 27 in the first round in the deal with KC.....iirc is name is Tre......

[machine gun kelly]

47 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Oh Lord, please dont set off this argument again 😆 (just kidding i agree, but i remember 30 pages of this argument back in the day)

 

mea culpa oh great one.  This crap annoys me when it’s false news.  I won’t respond anymore.  My pledge shredder.

[djp14150]

You don’t trade this for a TE.  
 

TE is one of the hardest picks and riskiest picks to do in the first half of round 1 other than QB in hitting on vs big bust

 

Watkins was fine to do.  Injuries you can’t forecast.

[DJB]

11 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

So we are getting Pitts?

Exciting news...

 

I'm checking the Pugalas flight plan as we speak. 

[TheFunPolice]

Atlanta was winning 28-3 late in the 2nd half of the Super Bowl. 

 

After blowing most of the lead, they were still up 8 points with only about 2:30 to go in the game, with a 1st and 10 on the NE 23 (ish) after a crazy catch by Julio Jones. 

 

They could have taken 3 knees and kicked the FG and they are SB champs as they would be up 11 with less than 2 to go and NE with 0 timeouts. As it was, NE tied the game right at the very end, and needed every second to do it. Even if they missed the FG they burn time or timeouts and still win anyway. 

 

But being the Falcons, they lost. That's all anyone should ever know about the Falcons. 

Edited April 6, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[The Jokeman]

11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Trust me Pitts ain't no Watkins.

Is he another Eric Ebron?

[Mango]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He said 2018 where the Cardinals traded up for Rosen.

 

Most likely team.  The Pats and Skins may also be interested.  Dark horse teams could be Minnesota and Pittsburgh.

 

I know. just joking around/being pedantic since "their" QB was drafted the year after. But they did draft "A" QB in Rosen. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

13 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Two time Pro Bowl LB Tremaine Edmunds straight up?? 

I would trade Edmunds for a 3rd round pick at this point.  Start by asking for a 2nd and settle on a 3rd, hopefully a high 3rd.  Get rid of his mediocre play and his potentially high 5th year option.  Don't sleep on Tyrell Adams.  Edmunds needs competition for the starting position.  Adams will hopefully give him that and then some.    

[RyanC883]

15 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

You had me until you said throw in Edmunds. If we could get Pitts for pick 30, 93 and next years first I’d be all in but that’s a pipe dream

 

same, I'm not an "Edmunds is amazing we should pay him" guy, but I don't like creating a hole on defense either.  

[billsfan89]

The Falcons are likely going to want this years 1st, 2nd and 3rd along with Edumonds and a 2022 1st and a 2023 2nd to go all the way from 4 to 30. I don’t like the idea of giving up all of that for one non-Qb player but especially for a TE. Just take the best player there at pick 30.

[Solomon Grundy]

17 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

That would be just like the Sammy Watkins debacle where we gave up TWO first round picks. No thanks. 

I thought the Bills swapped 1st rd picks with Cleveland and gave them our 1st, 4th the following season?

12 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

We pick 30th and will pick late next year so a hard no Atlanta would never do that deal.  As far as Watkins, we didn’t give up two 1’s.  We swapped 9th to 4th and gave up 1 1st round pick the next year, plus the other stuff.

 Thank you!!! Facts are important!!!

[Putin]

6 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

I'm not like, afraid of him at the same time?  I think he certainly has traits vernon davis didn't have, but davis ran a sub 4.4 40, was super strong and honestly a very good player.  Davis was also never first team all-pro.  

 

They'd also be taking snaps away from Geisicki, whos honestly really good.  Smythe is also better than they give credit.

 

I saw the fuller deal as a placeholder for their WR, so i expect them to go WR.  

Just as long as Tua is throwing the ball will be ok , if Miami makes a move for D Watson or R Wilson that would become a little scary and they still have plenty of ammunition to get it done 

[machine gun kelly]

50 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I thought the Bills swapped 1st rd picks with Cleveland and gave them our 1st, 4th the following season?

 Thank you!!! Facts are important!!!

Well, shredder appropriately scolded me (just kidding shredder) for not hi jacking this into a Sammy trade debacle thread.  He was right, so I’ll shut up at this point.  Thanks Solly.

[mannc]

5 hours ago, Putin said:

Just as long as Tua is throwing the ball will be ok , if Miami makes a move for D Watson or R Wilson that would become a little scary and they still have plenty of ammunition to get it done 

😅

[Bobby Hooks]

22 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

same, I'm not an "Edmunds is amazing we should pay him" guy, but I don't like creating a hole on defense either.  

This is where I am. He makes enough plays to be a starter in this league, but he’s not someone you break the bank for. Like you, I just don’t love the idea of needing to find a starting mlb. 

Edited April 7, 2021 by Bobby Hooks

[May Day 10]

Teams at #30 dont move to 4.

 

They would probably need to make a series of moves to incrementally climb up the draft board.  The aggregate being too pricey

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 4/5/2021 at 9:35 PM, wagne591 said:

Get it done Beane!!!! we can give the dirty birds this years first and next years first along with a third and a late rounder in either year so we can get Pitts. I know we need some D but this guy has all the tools to make our Offense even better. We wont be getting starters with later first round picks anyway not with this roster. But if we get Pitts we get a starting TE. Thoughts.....

I would even throw in Edmonds in on the deal and draft a MLB in the second round!!!

 

That's....sarcasm, right?

[Doc]

Probably won’t be dealt until teams see who the first 3 picks/QBs taken are.  I expect it will be another QB. 

[BornAgainBillsFan]

On 4/5/2021 at 10:35 PM, wagne591 said:

Get it done Beane!!!! we can give the dirty birds this years first and next years first along with a third and a late rounder in either year so we can get Pitts. I know we need some D but this guy has all the tools to make our Offense even better. We wont be getting starters with later first round picks anyway not with this roster. But if we get Pitts we get a starting TE. Thoughts.....

I would even throw in Edmonds in on the deal and draft a MLB in the second round!!!

 

Has any team ever moved up 26 picks in the first round before? And if so, have they ever been heard from again?

 

No GM would ever make this deal. Well........maybe Gettleman, if another GM bluffs him into it.

 

[Putin]

Wondering how many Get it Done Bean we have so far ? 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said:

 

Has any team ever moved up 26 picks in the first round before? And if so, have they ever been heard from again?

 

No GM would ever make this deal. Well........maybe Gettleman, if another GM bluffs him into it.

 

 

Gettleman doesn't trade.

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

Teams at #30 dont move to 4.

 

They would probably need to make a series of moves to incrementally climb up the draft board.  The aggregate being too pricey

They can move into the teens and try to get one of those big CBs. (Horn, Surtain, Farley)

[PetermansRedemption]

At this point, with this roster, the only player I would trade up for is a sure fire edge. Considering this draft isn’t too heavy on edge talent, there is zero reason to move up IMO. 

[BillsFanForever19]

Omg. You people are starting to make me dislike Kyle Pitts just by association with these ridiculous ideas.

 

He won't fall anywhere near a level worth giving up what it would take to get him. You don't trade 3 firsts - which would be the absolute minimum - for a Tight End. I don't care how good of a Tight End prospect he is, you just don't. 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 4/5/2021 at 10:35 PM, wagne591 said:

Get it done Beane!!!! we can give the dirty birds this years first and next years first along with a third and a late rounder in either year so we can get Pitts. I know we need some D but this guy has all the tools to make our Offense even better. We wont be getting starters with later first round picks anyway not with this roster. But if we get Pitts we get a starting TE. Thoughts.....

I would even throw in Edmonds in on the deal and draft a MLB in the second round!!!

 

This just doesn't seem like Beanes style, I mean if he did then he might know something that I don't. I would be upset, but I would also trust the process and hope for the best. I just don't see this happening all in all.

[What a Tuel]

11 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Omg. You people are starting to make me dislike Kyle Pitts just by association with these ridiculous ideas.

 

He won't fall anywhere near a level worth giving up what it would take to get him. You don't trade 3 firsts - which would be the absolute minimum - for a Tight End. I don't care how good of a Tight End prospect he is, you just don't. 

 

 

I'm sure its not an expert comparison and two different players but I cant help but remember that Ebron was also tapped for greatness at the tight end position. A lot of people wouldnt have minded us trading up for him either. I don't think he was a game changer for any of the teams he has been on. The hype is crazy and leads people do pay inflated costs for a "sure thing", dont be crazy Beane.

 

Edited April 8, 2021 by What a Tuel