section122 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, Virgil said: This has gotten close. I like it Do you think it is worth it/possible to narrow it down now that favorites have been established? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, costrovs said: Damn... Is it just me or have we been seeing an uptick in skinny players in the NFL?? Some of these players look like they have no muscles on their arms and legs.... I've seen high school football players with more muscle than some of these guys, jeez... edit- with those skinny a$$ arms and legs, I highly doubt he's gonna be able to tackle any RB that weighs more than 210lbs. Hes been doing a very good job tackling SEC RBs the last few years. He is a very good tackler. Let’s to put on around 10-15lbs and woth a 6’3 frame I can see him doing that... he has a similar frame to Levi Wallace. Tall and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costrovs Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, wppete said: Hes been doing a very good job tackling SEC RBs the last few years. He is a very good tackler. Let’s to put on around 10-15lbs and woth a 6’3 frame I can see him doing that... he has a similar frame to Levi Wallace. Tall and long. I'm not really knocking his tackling ability because I haven't looked into him, but damn.. he's one skinny dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Lol. I was torn between JOK and Jalen Phillips, went with JOK cause getting an Edge later in the draft will be easier than getting a player like JOK. My vote made it an exact tie between the two! 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, section122 said: Do you think it is worth it/possible to narrow it down now that favorites have been established? Just dropped it down to the top 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, costrovs said: I'm not really knocking his tackling ability because I haven't looked into him, but damn.. he's one skinny dude. he definitely is skinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I'd say that in this scenario Jaelin Phillips would be the selection. They put big money into C Mitch Morse in FA 2 seasons ago who clearly had concussion issues, I'd say so far they're happy with him. I'm sure if they select him Phillips would have been checked out extensively by our medical staff. There is no way of telling if he'll have a complete career due to his injuries but you shouldn't pass on a player of his caliber if he passes all medical concerns by the staff, at 1 point he was a consensus top 10 pick so it's not about talent imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Harris. Second would be an ol or JOC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I don't hate passing on JOK with Cleveland. I think they need a middle linebacker not a hybrid will / nickel / dime. I think Nick Bolton makes a lot of sense there. It is just very early for Surratt for my money. I'd be surprised if he sneaks into round 1. In all seriousness, I want to thank you, @Virgil and so many others for sharing your knowledge and efforts this time of year. I don’t watch as much college football as many others, and I absolutely do not study it the way some others do. Even if I DID watch, I just know what jumps out at me. This is my time of year to get educated and I appreciate the efforts of those who study this stuff. I used to appreciate the input of @Kirby Jackson as well, but he’s lying low of late. . Edited March 29, 2021 by Augie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 @Virgil when will this poll be closed? The Chiefs are patiently waiting to make their pick. A little hint, the outcome of this poll will be the deciding factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: @Virgil when will this poll be closed? The Chiefs are patiently waiting to make their pick. A little hint, the outcome of this poll will be the deciding factor. The Chiefs can kick rocks. I’m not sure honestly. Usually there’s a clear cut winner by this point. I’ll say probably noon tomorrow 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I just don’t see what JOK upgrades. I get that he’s a unique talent. I get that McD likes to utilize a S/LB hybrid. I get the sense that people are terrified of TEs, which, eh? but Taron Johnson is no slouch. This is not a real need here. Phillips is the best pass rusher in this draft by a pretty significant margin. Not a tough decision from my perspective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Since it’s been narrowed down I’m going with JOK. Our offense is more than decent, our defense needs help. JOK seems like he’ll be a superstar, may be undersized but boy does he hit hard. I really did want to go Najee Harris, I love him but I just think that our defense needs it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 I updated it to a top 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, glazeduck said: I just don’t see what JOK upgrades. I get that he’s a unique talent. I get that McD likes to utilize a S/LB hybrid. I get the sense that people are terrified of TEs, which, eh? but Taron Johnson is no slouch. This is not a real need here. Phillips is the best pass rusher in this draft by a pretty significant margin. Not a tough decision from my perspective... In Carolina, McD had Luke Keuchley and Thomas Davis coming off of monster 2014 seasons (Keuchly was an all-pro, Davis had a great season and was WPMOY). The Panthers selected S/LB hybrid Shaq Thompson with the 25th pick of the 2015 draft. Thompson played a hybrid safety LB/big nickel role for the Panthers, starting 14 games on their way to a 15-1 record and a SB appearance. Im not saying JOK would fill our biggest need, but I would say there’s a solid 60% chance we take him if he’s there at 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: In Carolina, McD had Luke Keuchley and Thomas Davis coming off of monster 2014 seasons (Keuchly was an all-pro, Davis had a great season and was WPMOY). The Panthers selected S/LB hybrid Shaq Thompson with the 25th pick of the 2015 draft. Thompson played a hybrid safety LB/big nickel role for the Panthers, starting 14 games on their way to a 15-1 record and a SB appearance. Im not saying JOK would fill our biggest need, but I would say there’s a solid 60% chance we take him if he’s there at 30. Man what a great point. I may actually change my vote now. Dude is impressive I just didn’t think it was a need but as far as BPA you guys may be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: In Carolina, McD had Luke Keuchley and Thomas Davis coming off of monster 2014 seasons (Keuchly was an all-pro, Davis had a great season and was WPMOY). The Panthers selected S/LB hybrid Shaq Thompson with the 25th pick of the 2015 draft. Thompson played a hybrid safety LB/big nickel role for the Panthers, starting 14 games on their way to a 15-1 record and a SB appearance. Im not saying JOK would fill our biggest need, but I would say there’s a solid 60% chance we take him if he’s there at 30. It’s actually kinda eerie how similar this situation is... they drafted Thompson and he then split snaps with none other than AJ Klein as a rookie.... 2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: Man what a great point. I may actually change my vote now. Dude is impressive I just didn’t think it was a need but as far as BPA you guys may be right It’s just impossible to say what McBeane see’s as a need. It could be that they have Edge as a higher need than Big nickel (which seems likely) but that JOK is a guy that they see as the missing piece who would open things up for them. Edited March 29, 2021 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: It’s actually kinda eerie how similar this situation is... they drafted Thompson and he then split snaps with none other than AJ Klein as a rookie.... It’s just impossible to say what McBeane see’s as a need. It could be that they have Edge as a higher need than Big nickel (which seems likely) but that JOK is a guy that they see as the missing piece who would open things up for them. I agree. I trust Beane to make the right call even though D line has been his Achilles heel thus far. Phillips and JOK are both special talents. Phillips fills a bigger need but his past retirement may be enough for Beane and company to take JOK instead. I’m ok with either even if I do like the upside of boogie basham 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydboy12 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Picked Harris. He may not be the best long term prospect but for a team ready to compete for a championship I think he makes the most sense here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 I dropped it to the top 3 to see if we can get a clear cut winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I'll be very upset if we draft a RB or LB in the 1st. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Virgil said: I updated it to a top 5 If you remember, please post who were guys 4-5, and if you remember also 6-7. I can only see three finalists now. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) I voted Phillips but I really wish I could have voted for 2 players Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah is a ***** beast.....and i would not shed a tear if we drafted him Edit....you know what....I am changing my vote to Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah The fact that New England is going to a 2 TE set......this guy is so versitile and just hits like a truck Edited March 29, 2021 by John from Riverside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said: If you remember, please post who were guys 4-5, and if you remember also 6-7. I can only see three finalists now. Thanks. I really don’t remember. I didn’t see any reason to retain that info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 12 hours ago, Virgil said: Please help us select who the Bills will take at #30 overall for our TSW Mock Draft. Trades were not an option in this draft. If you have any players you see missing from the poll that scream either BPA or position of need, please reply FWIW Virg, on last Fridays rock the mock on MTC/NFLR Pat had the Bills and he picked Jaelan Phillips. I picked Ettiene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) Whoever is their highest rated CB, whether it's Campbell, Kelvin Joseph, or someone else. If I saw your three as the best options, I'd look hard at Phillips to see if he can play DE the way the Bills like. If he couldn't, I'd look at Owusu-Koramoah to see if he could fit what I needed as a big nickel. If I thought he couldn't, I'd trade down a ways. I love the way Owusu-Koramoah plays, but I can't see him lasting long as a pure LB at his weight. Not sure if Phillips can be a hand in the dirt DE. Edited March 29, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Alex Leatherwood. In some drafts he would be a top 10 pick. This year happens to be loaded with OL talent or so it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 So, if Cleveland had been mocked JOK in this first TSW mock, hypothetically, then we would be looking at Phillips, Etienne and Campbell? And @NewEra would be happier? In that case I would be torn between Campbell and Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 If those 3 are on the board, JOK should be the runaway winner and that who I would take. Because I don’t think there’s any chance of that happening, I voted for Phillips. The injuries are super scary, but his positional value and prototypical size and skill set make him the easy choice over Etienne imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 46 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Whoever is their highest rated CB, whether it's Campbell, Kelvin Joseph, or someone else. If I saw your three as the best options, I'd look hard at Phillips to see if he can play DE the way the Bills like. If he couldn't, I'd look at Owusu-Koramoah to see if he could fit what I needed as a big nickel. If I thought he couldn't, I'd trade down a ways. I love the way Owusu-Koramoah plays, but I can't see him lasting long as a pure LB at his weight. Not sure if Phillips can be a hand in the dirt DE. People keep saying this about JOK, but have you all ever checked Milano's playing weight? He's listed at 221lbs. JOK has been listed at 215lbs the last two seasons, but I would bet money that this year he played closer to 220lbs seeing him on the field compared to 2019. He looked thicker. The difference between Milano and JOK is Milano looks filled out at 220lbs. JOK could easily add another 10-15lbs in an NFL strength and conditioning program with no problems or hindrances. The weight thing is overblown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 JOK remains the best football player on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 So, we have issues with Morse and concussions, but we are ok with Phillip's? Doesn't make much sense...🤔. Still having a hard time with a RB in the 1st (but starting to warm up to it, keep talking and maybe I'll get there.😉). Najee possibly, just not sold on Etienne yet (ball security ?) Would rather go corner, but JOK is the only one left to choose in my opinion. Guess I'll go with JOK.🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 15 hours+ running on the poll, 50 votes for (out of a possible 135), and 7 ahead of the next closest choice. Can we call this one yet @Virgil ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, H2o said: 15 hours+ running on the poll, 50 votes for (out of a possible 135), and 7 ahead of the next closest choice. Can we call this one yet @Virgil ? I’m giving it until noon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 28 minutes ago, H2o said: 15 hours+ running on the poll, 50 votes for (out of a possible 135), and 7 ahead of the next closest choice. Can we call this one yet @Virgil ? We did 24 hours before or until there was a clear cut winner. It’s finally starting to trend that way, but a few hours won’t hurt. I also let the people picking after know noon was probably our re-start time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 15 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Why Etienne over Harris guys? What am I missing here? Speed and can lineup Etieene at WR etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 For all you knuckleheads on here 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 of the 3 available choices its tough... Phillips potentially gives that pass rush we need and an infusion of youth at that position. JOK will be able to help immensely vs schemes like what New England is going to use (12 personnel) and vs. guys like Kelce, and Rb's out of the backfield. Also a good rover and blitzer. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I voted JOK, mostly because of precisely what @Reed83HOF noted in that YPP Tweet: Of the three players available, JOK would be on the field the most (we rotate DE's, under Beane/Washington) and with the number of RBs in our stable, Etienne would be splitting time, and an LB has the most responsibility of those three position groups. You could argue that for supply, DE's (or at least, good-quality ones) are in shorter supply, but, hey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 This would be a fantastic scenario for our defense, though likely not to happen come April. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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