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Butler was put in a less than ideal situation and was much better than Jefferson, and Addison for that matter. He's young (26) and will be playing his normal position next year. Young piece to move forward with, and he will get paid once the cap goes up

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Just now, BeastMode54 said:

Butler was put in a less than ideal situation and was much better than Jefferson, and Addison for that matter. He's young (26) and will be playing his normal position next year. Young piece to move forward with, and he will get paid once the cap goes up

Agreed. Of all of the DL cannon fodder mentioned around here he was by far my favorite. 

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3 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said:

Butler was put in a less than ideal situation and was much better than Jefferson, and Addison for that matter. He's young (26) and will be playing his normal position next year. Young piece to move forward with, and he will get paid once the cap goes up

Agreed. 

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14 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

It was a 6 million hit before, right? Gotta hope it’s at least in the 2-3 range now. Don’t love keeping him at Jefferson’s expense. 

 

This. He was set to make 5.5 million which is an incredible overpay, I saw nothing from him and the initial contract was a headscratcher.  Hope he took few million pay cut. 

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5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I get he’s 330, but I always got the feeling he was a Oliver type rather than Star. 
 

 

Exactly he's a penetrating DT not a take on blockers NT, there's a difference. Butler was signed to replace Jordan Phillips and when Star didn't return we kinda forced him to be the big man in the middle yet that's not what he's all about. 

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1 hour ago, warrior9 said:

I wish he was just cut.

 

Why, so we can leave big hella holes we have to overpay for in FA?

 

Neither Butler nor Jefferson were able to fill the role the Bills envisioned for them, due to Phillips delayed recovery from ACL and Lotululei opting out.   Jefferson had slightly more playing time and slightly better stats, but Butler spent more time being asked to rotate at 1TDT where stats are harder to come by.

 

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

It was a 6 million hit before, right? Gotta hope it’s at least in the 2-3 range now. Don’t love keeping him at Jefferson’s expense. 

 

$7.8M hit before.

 

26 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

But we were getting vet min. Production from him. Pay cut only works if he goes way down.

 

Oh, Come On.

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1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

Not too thrilled that he's staying, but taking a pay cut does help, so good on him.

He does provide more value now that he has experience at both 1 and 3 techs.  It'll be interesting to see if they can get Star to take a cut...?

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1 minute ago, Buftex said:

It's funny that everyone sees Star was the "missing piece" from the D-line in 2020, when many wanted him cut in 2019!

 

Thats cause most dont understand his role on the dline. He will never have the stats. His role on D is basically to block/prevent Olineman from climbing to our LBs. Very hard to find a player willing to do such dirty work.

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4 minutes ago, Buftex said:

It's funny that everyone sees Star was the "missing piece" from the D-line in 2020, when many wanted him cut in 2019!

 

Don’t it always seem to go that you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.....

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8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Nope.  They'll go after the $7.8M in unamortized signing bonus.

 

That being said, I doubt he retires.

Please explain.  My understanding is retirement is a release thus he costs cap.  This is why were letting Lee Smith retire cause otherwise were cutting him.

 

I know @Cover 1 has discussed it before but here is another reference from last year (3rd paragraph).  https://www.catscratchreader.com/2020/1/15/21066845/nfl-carolina-panthers-luke-kuechly-retirement-cap-space-2020-what-does-it-mean

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6 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Please explain.  My understanding is retirement is a release thus he costs cap.  This is why were letting Lee Smith retire cause otherwise were cutting him.

 

It's not a release.  It's a player deciding to hang-it-up.  A team is allowed to demand repayment of the unamortized signing bonus, but usually they don't, as a gift for services rendered.  Since Star was barely with the Bills and signed a new deal before opting-out, they'll definitely go after his.  Plus there is the $4.5M salary saved and any other likely to be earned incentives, roster and game bonuses, etc.

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