SinceThe70s Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Before he signed with the Cardinals I was hoping Beane would find a way to bring him in. Thought it could help out next year. An anonymous quote hours after he signed with the Cardinals doesn't change my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Very true, Armstrong like Watt is/was a dick, and all about the money and fame, and pro PED use, during both of their entire careers. The difference is that the pro cycling world looks at Armstrong as a pariah, even though his competition was doping just as much as he was, the football world on the other hand loves them some PED users, always has always will. To me, it’s not the PEDs because that is fairly common. It’s more the holier than thou, superhero status that was obviously phony yet fooled so many. To me, it was obvious Armstrong was a douche from the jump. The hero worship lasted for a long time with him. Overcoming cancer is something I’ll leave out. I admire that about him. Dumping his wife who helped him through it to screw around with Sheryl Crow was a hoot. Watt gives off that same douchey vibe to me. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 hours ago, 716er said: Bitter See EJ's pick 6 Not that I agree with this take, but one could make the argument that the Cardinals are closer to being a SB team (Not winner, but team) because they are in the wide open NFC and do not have to go through KC. Seattle, LA, and San Fran in the division don’t make it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Outside of KC there is no other team I would rather be on than the Buffalo Bills. I’m not even saying that because I’m a Bills fan. Nobody else has a chance to take down KC than us. I could see Tampa having a shot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 It probably has some truth to it. I'm not sure it would remain true on a winning team, he was beyond bitter about his perceived ineptitude of Houston front office. Would he have an attitude problem somewhere that he felt was doing everything to win? Who knows. I do think he will find more frustration in the desert though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, Maynard said: Seattle, LA, and San Fran in the division don’t make it easy. No doubt - I think Stafford gets McVay back to the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 6 hours ago, nbbillsfan said: I don't know if this is bitter or truthful. You can believe me or not, but I have a close relationship with one of the premier NFL agents. What I have been told many times (prior to Watt being cut) is that he is strongly disliked in NFL circles, particularly by other players. I have heard he is a total phony, obsessed with creating an image/resume that does not accurately reflect his person. That he is incredibly self-centered and egotistical. Could he have helped our defense, probably, but I won't lose any sleep over not getting him. I completely believe this. I have no connections. He has always come off as fake to me. Ive never liked him for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I believe it. Why would you say you are interested in being on a SB team and then proceed to not choose a SB competitive team. He just wanted the money, and I could see those reviews as being true. If he was just concerned about the money and not winning, he could have stayed in Houston, he's actually taking a slight pay cut going to AZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkx2 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, klos63 said: If he was just concerned about the money and not winning, he could have stayed in Houston, he's actually taking a slight pay cut going to AZ. Houston wasn't going to pay him, so no he couldn't stayed in Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Very true, Armstrong like Watt is/was a dick, and all about the money and fame, and pro PED use, during both of their entire careers. The difference is that the pro cycling world looks at Armstrong as a pariah, even though his competition was doping just as much as he was, the football world on the other hand loves them some PED users, always has always will. You have any evidence of this at all? Claiming the NFL, who has a pretty strict testing policy, loves PED users? And also hinting that Watt uses PEDs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I've always had the feeling he was an egomaniac, and something of a thug. Yes, a great player in some ways, an exceptional talent, but I'm not surprised to hear them say he was not a good team player, or liked by the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I originally wanted Watt, but the more I think about it, I’m glad we didn’t. It’s not because he didn’t choose us, it’s the whole attitude behind this event. Aye, all the cryptic tweeting nonsense reminded me of an attention seeking teen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 9 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I believe it. Why would you say you are interested in being on a SB team and then proceed to not choose a SB competitive team. He just wanted the money, and I could see those reviews as being true. I'm just happy we didn't sign him for that price. His availability is awful. His defenses were never elite. Didn't make guys better like an Aaron Donald or Von Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: I think Arizona's 'dry heat' was the deciding factor... * That, and the 23 million clams. 😁 That will buy a lot of cactus juice. 1 hour ago, billsintaiwan said: Aye, all the cryptic tweeting nonsense reminded me of an attention seeking teen. I mean he’s never been a FA before so it was probably exciting for him and I don’t hate him for it. At the same time it takes a very self absorbed person to be that into himself where he drags thousands of fans through the mud for his entertainment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 14 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Watt isn’t going to win a SB in Zona, so I hope he enjoys retiring with no ring. Lets start with this: They still need a real NFL QB. Next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Very true, Armstrong like Watt is/was a dick, and all about the money and fame, and pro PED use, during both of their entire careers. The difference is that the pro cycling world looks at Armstrong as a pariah, even though his competition was doping just as much as he was, the football world on the other hand loves them some PED users, always has always will. Without wanting to derail the thread too much I was an avid pro cycling fan in the 90s and 00s and still enjoy the grand tours but am far less of a fan than I used to be. The cycling authorities have followed a pretty constant pattern when it comes to doping which is make an example of a guy then pretend the rest is okay. It was all okay after 1998 and Festina and there was nothing to see here despite the constant noise about Lance.... and then when it turned out it wasn't well that is just Lance, he is a bad egg, nothing else to see here.... move on. It is a cycle that sadly repeated over and over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I personally think the Bills dodged a bad contract on this guy if they were even close to signing him. Leave over paying under performing old players to the Sabres. I guess I'm bitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 i have no doubt he is awful and totally full of himself. i also know he has at least at time freelanced in a bad way. i remember with tyrod we beat houston. one play at the goal line, watt just like kept changing the gap he was rushing, came in and smacked tyrod down for a sack. the next play, he did the same thing, tyrod caught him in the wrong gap, and tyrod just walked in for an easy td. given how our D is run, and who are coaches are, i think if watt signed here we woulda just had him rushing the passer like a psycho, which suits him well, and otherwise just controlling a single gap, which he is more than capable of doing. our current wood on the DL does not get up the field like maniacs for the most part, and also lose gap control, so watt would be a huge improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t believe it I do believe it. He's had poser and fraud written all over him from day one. Of the Flutie and Tebow ilk ... except Watt is actually good at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Without wanting to derail the thread too much I was an avid pro cycling fan in the 90s and 00s and still enjoy the grand tours but am far less of a fan than I used to be. The cycling authorities have followed a pretty constant pattern when it comes to doping which is make an example of a guy then pretend the rest is okay. It was all okay after 1998 and Festina and there was nothing to see here despite the constant noise about Lance.... and then when it turned out it wasn't well that is just Lance, he is a bad egg, nothing else to see here.... move on. It is a cycle that sadly repeated over and over. fact. i remember, and i think it was in SI when they did actual reporting, a nameless test for a new EPO test they had (so they couldn't bust anyone, so no names) found the entire field was positive for EPO. they hand waved about maybe the test being too strong, but it seems like it was correct. IMO, like pro bodybuilding or olympic weightlifting (and i say NFL football as well) cycling just isn't a sport that humans (or at least not enough of them to have a big competition) can compete in without PEDs. biking up and down mountains at break neck speeds for days and days is basically super human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I Billieve it. The guy is a prima donna and an egomaniac. Lets see how many games he plays out of 34 total....I put the over under at 14 total for both years Meaning that he gets paid 2.21m per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 7 hours ago, cle23 said: You have any evidence of this at all? Claiming the NFL, who has a pretty strict testing policy, loves PED users? And also hinting that Watt uses PEDs? Believe what you will, it no big deal, but steroids etc has been a constant in the league for decades. That my friend is s fact, like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Without wanting to derail the thread too much I was an avid pro cycling fan in the 90s and 00s and still enjoy the grand tours but am far less of a fan than I used to be. The cycling authorities have followed a pretty constant pattern when it comes to doping which is make an example of a guy then pretend the rest is okay. It was all okay after 1998 and Festina and there was nothing to see here despite the constant noise about Lance.... and then when it turned out it wasn't well that is just Lance, he is a bad egg, nothing else to see here.... move on. It is a cycle that sadly repeated over and over. I too followed pro cycling since The Hinault lemond Gitane team era, pro cycling like other sports does themselves no favors when it comes to the PED issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 16 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Outside of KC there is no other team I would rather be on than the Buffalo Bills. I’m not even saying that because I’m a Bills fan. Nobody else has a chance to take down KC than us. Tampa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 16 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I believe it. Why would you say you are interested in being on a SB team and then proceed to not choose a SB competitive team. He just wanted the money, and I could see those reviews as being true. Perhaps because you disagree with some guy on the internet as to whether a team is Super Bowl competitive. Bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, cle23 said: You have any evidence of this at all? Claiming the NFL, who has a pretty strict testing policy, loves PED users? And also hinting that Watt uses PEDs? NFL training facilities and coaches are one thing - tripling in size in 10yrs has nothing to do with either. i dont care if players use PEDs, since im sure its more common than is let on by the NFL. Edited March 2, 2021 by bobobonators 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I believe it. Why would you say you are interested in being on a SB team and then proceed to not choose a SB competitive team. He just wanted the money, and I could see those reviews as being true. It’s somewhat laughable that fans want to paint Arizona as some also ran mediocrity. They may not be in the inner circle of contenders, but they’re a good team on the rise and could very well be just a step behind the Bills in terms of franchise development. It’s like watt is the hot girl that some guy pursued, and when she shoots him down, he calls her names and decides she’s a dog Edited March 2, 2021 by AlCowlingsTaxiService 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, bobobonators said: NFL training facilities and coaches are one thing - tripling in size in 10yrs has nothing to do with either. That's just not a reasonable thing to say. First, he didn't triple, that's a perfect example of a person convinced of something saying anything he can to make his point. And yes, he's huge, but some guys get huge without using steroids. Some use steroids, and some don't. But that Chippewas photo is from high school. Do we even know which year in high school? An awful lot of people get an awful lot bigger after high school without using steroids. Your saying you know he uses them from pictures is just as unreasonable as it would be for me to say I know he hasn't. More, what does whether a guy used steroids have to do with whether he's selfish or hard to coach or egotistical? Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, 716er said: Not that I agree with this take, but one could make the argument that the Cardinals are closer to being a SB team (Not winner, but team) because they are in the wide open NFC and do not have to go through KC. 15 hours ago, Beast said: And one would be very wrong making that argument. There is a major difference between being wrong and having a different opinion than the speaker. What you have there is an opinion, not a fact. It's not an unreasonable opinion, not at all. But it is not a fact. Edited March 2, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 9 hours ago, jkx2 said: Houston wasn't going to pay him, so no he couldn't stayed in Houston. He was under contract, was Houston planning on releasing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: Probably a combination of both. He was basically saying to the Texans that they weren't good enough for him (or he was better than them) so it's not surprising that they are bitter about it. The Texans suck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 9 hours ago, JerseyBills said: I'm just happy we didn't sign him for that price. His availability is awful. His defenses were never elite. Didn't make guys better like an Aaron Donald or Von Miller This is not accurate. In 2012, the Texans were second in defensive DVOA. In 2014, they were 6th. In 2015, they were 7th. In 2018, they were 5th. These were all seasons in which he was an all-pro. Also, if you look at PFR's AV (approximate value) stat (akin to WAR), he was the top performer in the entire league in 2012, 2014, and 2015. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 He seems like a giant dueche to me. Always thought that way of him. Good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 18 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I believe it. Why would you say you are interested in being on a SB team and then proceed to not choose a SB competitive team. He just wanted the money, and I could see those reviews as being true. I believe it's possible Watt is like this and also that the Texans are exaggerating it because they are salty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Are we saying that JJ Watt isn't a process guy ? 🤑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 hours ago, bobobonators said: NFL training facilities and coaches are one thing - tripling in size in 10yrs has nothing to do with either. i dont care if players use PEDs, since im sure its more common than is let on by the NFL. JJ Watt in College Gonna go ahead and say, like most kids, his body simply filled out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: It’s somewhat laughable that fans want to paint Arizona as some also ran mediocrity. They may not be in the inner circle of contenders, but they’re a good team on the rise and could very well be just a step behind the Bills in terms of franchise development. It’s like watt is the hot girl that some guy pursued, and when she shoots him down, he calls her names and decides she’s a dog I believe Fairburn's article that indicates AZ was the highest bidder for Watt. I understand why some fans may feel gypped that a guy said he wanted to pursue a championship, then went to the highest bidder. But that's the way of the world. As I said elsewhere, when people say it's not about the money, It's About the Money. Watt walked away from $17.5M next season, he wanted more. Now he's got it - $5.5M more guaranteed and the chance of $13.5M more. Arizona is a good team which looks to be on the rise. But they are not as flush on cap space as some other teams, and they appear to have a bunch of critical FA, as mentioned above. They're calling their shot by pursuing hot FA (Jordan Phillips, now Watt). It has to be said that seems to be a strategy that worked for Tampa Bay (along with a critical injury on KC's OL). Injuries are the thing. Phillips only played 9 games for them last season giving them 2 sacks and 3 QB hits - pretty fair to think that's not the production they signed him for. If Phillips and Watt play 16 games next season and show good production, the Cards may get good value for their money and win and be geniuses. If they don't, it will be a bad decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The Texans suck. BS franchise from Day 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 This may not be true but one thing that is true with Watt, the cameras follow him everywhere, he's a media hog whether he likes it or not. Remember the Houston playoff game, the network made the entire game about JJ as if the guy was still an elite player. It was kind of nauseating, my only strike against Romo as an announcer, he and Nance were droning on and on nonstop about the guy. Personally, I can't stand that kind of hype for any player, making them seem bigger than the team, or the game. If its a slow regular season game OK I guess, but that was an exciting overtime playoff game with a lot on the line for both teams and all we got to see and hear was JJ on the sidelines, JJ's reaction to every play, JJ's limited snaps blah blah. Ask any Browns fan about OBJ, they can't stand it either. I was hoping we were going to land him but dreading reading about him and his injuries every day for the next two years. Would rather have Bud Dupree or Von who can still dominate a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 15 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Watt gives off that same douchey vibe to me. But he was in the League and I found him funny and likeable. So there...LEAVE JJ ALONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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