Alphadawg7 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I get all of this, but he turned SF into a well-oiled dominator in 2019 and oversaw a great Falcons offense in that SB season. Yeah, they lost, but it wasn't as if they lost to bad teams; they were great teams. And the games were obviously extremely close. The 2016 Falcons were #1 overall in offense and the 2019 Niners' offense was #2 in points and #4 in yards. He's doing something right. And let's not forget that both of those teams blew teams out in the playoffs during those SB years. I can't get hung up on one or two plays. With regard to Kingsbury, the Cardinals' showing at the end of this season was beyond pathetic. I guarantee you that if he had done that in Buffalo, the fans on this site would have ridden him out of town on a rail. I didn’t say he’s not a good offensive mind, but he’s twice choked on the biggest stage is my point. So he’s far from proven as a HC at this point. Plenty of coaches have reached Super Bowls that weren’t really that good of a coach overall long term and have gone on to even eventually be fired. So saying he’s made the SB, while also playing a significant role in blowing it twice (both as an OC and HC) doesn’t cement him as a great HC in my book is all I am saying. He may never make another one again, and I am pretty certain he won’t be making it back there in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Probably cold weather and NY taxes were part of his consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 JJ Hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 What a loser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Playing the AFC #1 seed in one of those and playing backups in another. And then blew the game against a mediocre Texans team. I didn’t say they are an exact mirror, just similar positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Any team can win in any given year. Cardinals do have a good D and an up and coming QB. Just don’t think they are that close to being a contender. Like others said, it was about the $$$. Glad we didn’t pay that for him. I’d rather have a couple of 2nd tier players filling needs than one player at his age. Think RB and LB. The Bills don’t have any glaring holes. Solid players at most of our positions. Don’t need a big singing like this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 "I wAnNa gO sOmEwHErE I cAn wIn a ChAmPIoNsHiP, uH dIuHRrR!" Liar. Ain't no rings in the desert, Justin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: "I wAnNa gO sOmEwHErE I cAn wIn a ChAmPIoNsHiP, uH dIuHRrR!" Liar. Ain't no rings in the desert, Justin. Where did HE say that? Someone link me to a real quote please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: And then blew the game against a mediocre Texans team. I didn’t say they are an exact mirror, just similar positions. Then they lost to another playoff team yeah, which itself then lost to the future SB Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Thought he wanted a contender. He didn't even go to a Top 5 NFC team. Oh well...chasing the $$$ I guess. My Top 5 for good measure: Tampa, GB, NO, LAR, Seattle...I'll even throw in SF. Edited March 1, 2021 by KGun12TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Where did HE say that? Someone link me to a real quote please. Google is a pal! Here's a quote from him from a Houston Chronicle article on 11/4/2020. “I don’t think it’s any secret that I don’t have 10 years left in this league,” Watt said when asked if he wants to finish his career with the Texans. “I personally believe that I do have a few more great ones left in me, but I’m not looking to rebuild. I’m looking to go after a championship, and that’s what I want to do." Source: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/J-J-Watt-wants-to-play-for-a-championship-not-a-15702883.php 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 we still need an Edge in FA. Too risky to draft one, and can't count on AJ being the guy. Carl Lawson is currently at the top of my list, then a 2nd group including: Shaq Barrett, Takkarist McKinley Shelby Harris, Justin Houston, Hendrickson, Clowney, Leonard Floyd, and Melvin Ingram, and a 3rd group of: Denico Autry, Aldon Smith, and Romeo Okwara. Who do you all like? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Just now, blacklabel said: Google is a pal! Here's a quote from him from a Houston Chronicle article on 11/4/2020. “I don’t think it’s any secret that I don’t have 10 years left in this league,” Watt said when asked if he wants to finish his career with the Texans. “I personally believe that I do have a few more great ones left in me, but I’m not looking to rebuild. I’m looking to go after a championship, and that’s what I want to do." Source: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/J-J-Watt-wants-to-play-for-a-championship-not-a-15702883.php Ok, close. But that was in the context of playing for the Texans and their plans back in November. Bit of a stretch when talking about the recent FA situation. I wouldnt call the Cardinals a re-build either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Just now, RyanC883 said: we still need an Edge in FA. Too risky to draft one, and can't count on AJ being the guy. Carl Lawson is currently at the top of my list, then a 2nd group including: Shaq Barrett, Takkarist McKinley Shelby Harris, Justin Houston, Hendrickson, Clowney, Leonard Floyd, and Melvin Ingram, and a 3rd group of: Denico Autry, Aldon Smith, and Romeo Okwara. Who do you all like? Lawson is on top of mine followed by Hendrickson and floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I'm wondering what our offer was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I expect that's more money and more guarantees than Beane was down for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Ok, close. But that was in the context of playing for the Texans and their plans back in November. Bit of a stretch when talking about the recent FA situation. I wouldnt call the Cardinals a re-build either. Close enough, right? I don't think we have to split hairs over context or whatever. It's pretty plain to see that he wanted to go somewhere with a chance at a championship in the next few years. I don't think AZ is that team. They're not in a rebuild, obviously, but I think they're a bit further away than some other teams. Not trying to be a homer but I truly believe the guy could've flourished here. To each his own. That said, I wholeheartedly wanna see AZ go 2-14 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Show me the money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: I'm wondering what our offer was Bucket of wings and a case of Blue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: Bucket of wings and a case of Blue. And a Buffalo Bills windshield ice scraper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawning Frog Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I'm glad the Bills didn't pay out all that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Just now, blacklabel said: Close enough, right? I don't think we have to split hairs over context or whatever. It's pretty plain to see that he wanted to go somewhere with a chance at a championship in the next few years. I don't think AZ is that team. They're not in a rebuild, obviously, but I think they're a bit further away than some other teams. Not trying to be a homer but I truly believe the guy could've flourished here. To each his own. That said, I wholeheartedly wanna see AZ go 2-14 this year. Ehh, not really. That was his public message to Houston, the team he was on at the time, and under contract with. Could have simply been a way to set the stage to push to be released (which worked!). Different situation once he is actually a Free Agent. I'm looking for anything he said in the past month regarding any guidelines of who he would sign with. My guess is there isnt anything, because he would be stupid to disqualify teams before he saw their offers. Like I said earlier in the thread, I think both sides are dumb here, but I understand chasing that money while you can. I dont know of any quotes from the last month that would make him a "liar". I wanted to see him signed in Buffalo and agree he could have done well here, but I'm not upset or offended he went elsewhere. Especially when that team is in the NFC. Onward and Upward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Bummer. Would have been nice to have a future HOF'er to bolster the defense, but that does seem like a lot of money for a guy at his age and recent production. Wouldn't be surprised if the weather wasn't a factor in his decision as well. The warm weather and domed stadiums of the NFC West is a lot easier on an aging dude like Watt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 He is reunited with Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Bucket of wings and a case of Blue. He'll never get to enjoy #BillsMafia. Too bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 For that money I am not upset about this at all......Good luck JJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vontel Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Only team in the NFC West you can pencil to make the playoffs is the Rams. I know people are in love with Shanahan & the 9ers, but there is still a QB problem on there hands & while they have great talent like Kittle, Bosa, Trent, Deebo...that talent is injury prone. Shanahan is obviously a good HC, but even he can’t overcome without elite talent. I think Seattle & Russ will have a rough marriage this season. On paper, I don’t even think they’re much better than AZ. We’ll see though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: The goal is to win a championship. Many think the Bills are a superstar talent along the defensive line away from that. That contract is steep, but if paying Watt that amount translated to a SB I would've been all for it. Hoping they pursue Von Miller. I wonder if Watt is still a huge difference maker, though. I don't really know, but I kind of doubt he is. Von Miller might be interesting if we can afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 He must have a huge ego, playing with the twitter tease and all that. I think he would have been a perfect short term guy for our team, but I think we are planning on being a long term success here. Immediately after hearing about his deal, I'm betting Beane moved on with the goal of making this a better team. I told my wife he can use the extra few million to buy a really comfortable chair to sit in as he watches the Bills win the Super Bowl. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, mannc said: I wouldn’t write off the Cardinals as a contender. Murray will be in his third year as a starter and their defense was already pretty good, even without Watt. I mean, they did beat the Bills, didn’t they? There is nothing that points to the Cards being a serious contender this year......I mean in the end I am fine with this if I woke up and found out that the bills paid JJ Watt 15 million plus I would have been very upset. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I'm definitely disappointed but I figured it was a long shot. He might be a Bill if it wasn't for Covid's impact on the cap. We need to find another way to upgrade our pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Then they lost to another playoff team yeah, which itself then lost to the future SB Champ. Ok wanna make a wager that the Cardinals have a winning record in 2021? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Watt showed his motivation. He had a choice to make. Championship or one last big contract. He made his choice. Bills will improve through the draft and deft FA signings 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Ok wanna make a wager that the Cardinals have a winning record in 2021? Do you want to bet they go to the Super Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Frat-Train said: What about Bryant Johnson!?!?!?!?!? Did he sign anywhere yet?? These folks might be too young to remember that lmao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Nester said: LOL He Dumb. No Ring for him. That was my thought. Guess he didn’t want to win a ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, 17islongenough said: So it was about money and not winning a super bowl. It always is. Don't forget that when Allen wants to be highest paid QB in the league. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Don't worry guys. Watt wont sniff a Superbowl in the next two years there. He will then hit free agency one last time to try and get one. The Bills will pick him up on a small one year deal. Watt will be too broken and washed up by then. By game 4 he will retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The goal is to win a championship. Many think the Bills are a superstar talent along the defensive line away from that. That contract is steep, but if paying Watt that amount translated to a SB I would've been all for it. Hoping they pursue Von Miller. Watt was said not wanting to chase a ring on a cut rate contract. He wanted the big bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I guess two out of three weren't as big a deal. A ring and QB a guess didn't matter. I like Murray but he will never be upper tier QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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