Nextmanup Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, mattynh said: Matt Milano should do what is best for him. The Buffalo Bills should do what is best for them. Those won't necessarily line up. This is always true. Every player is going to do what's best for himself; every team is going to do what's best for itself. Sounds like this is where we part company with signore Milano. Ciao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I mean he should as all nfl players should. Dude is a baller but he is undersized and injuries will probably always been an issue. When you have good players, you’re going to make some tough decisions. On defense, OLB should be one of the easiest positions to replace. it sucks to lose a playmaker but it’s just going to happen. Great draft pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 An incentive laden contract would be the only thing that should be offered. We are a better defense when Milano is on the field, but a player that can not stay on the field due to injuries does not deserve a top 5 contract, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Why would Milano be looking to move to MLB? whoops— meant OLB! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Patriots have $70M in cap space. Patriots* are also cheap. They'll spread that $70M out on 30 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Yet every talent evaluator in the NFL and Milano's peers still think otherwise. Weird. Big fan of Milano. I can't however place his value over Edmunds or Tre White. ( at one point in time I did think differently) From a draft perspective White is the easiest to replace IMO. Edmunds would be the hardest IMO. Edited February 1, 2021 by Figster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: https://fansided.com/2021/02/01/bills-free-agent-matt-milano-looking-top-dollar-free-agency/ In the latest Stacking the Box column, FanSided’s national NFL reporter Matt Verderame has heard from a source that linebacker Matt Milano is looking for “top dollar” in free agency. “Per source, Milano is looking for top-dollar at his position,” writes Verderame. “Although he’s without Pro Bowl or All-Pro accolades, Milano has been a playmaker and culture-maker. The fourth-year man has racked up 101 tackles in 2019 and then 3.5 sacks and win hits in 2020, while providing quality coverage. He’ll have a strong market.” https://fansided.com/2021/02/01/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-super-bowl-preview/ Well... Good luck Matt...You're a great player. Definitely did you 1/11th job...But I've watched the top LB's in this league play...A lot...And you're not on that level. And that is not meant to be insulting. It's just true. 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Figster said: Big fan of Milano. I can't however place his value over Edmunds or Tre White. ( at one point in time I did think differently) From a draft perspective White is the easiest to replace IMO. Edmunds would be the hardest IMO. White is locked up long term. Why even mention him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Thanks for the memories Matt. Best one for me was intercepting Brady. Good luck on your new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: Well... I wouldn't pay him top dollar for a LB. Our LB corps was far from scary. Can't blame the man for wanting to get paid. It's a short career and he knows how one injury at the wrong time could cost you tens of millions of dollars. Use the $$ to re-sign Feliciano and maybe even Williams on the OL. You're right, our top priorities should be Williams and Feliciano. After that everyone is negotiable. Milano with his injury history is in no position to demand top money. Too small and he does whiff on alot of tackles. Move Edmunds outside and draft an actual young MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) I have no problem with the player wanting to get paid. I have no problem with letting Milano walk. But I will be slightly annoyed when he signs with New England and we have to play him twice a year. The good news is, the BILLS are now the team that vets looking to chase a ring will come to. So I'm expecting Beane to work his magic on the entire front 7 this offseason. Edited February 1, 2021 by DrDawkinstein 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Jerboski said: Good for him No way I'm paying top LB for him, good player for sure but it's a hard no for me the marketplace will determine what he is worth. Its the American way. (at least when government doesn't try to override the laws of supply and demand) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: I don't love the idea of Ford at RT. RG maybe, but not tackle. I would definitely re-sign Feliciano because of his versatility and the role he plays bringing some personality to the OL. He isn't going to cost a ton of $$. Williams depends on the $$ he will command, I think. We might get lucky with teams strapped for cash and get him back for another 1 year deal with the idea that he can cash in next season when there's more $$ to be had. That allows us time to draft and develop a guy at tackle. Feliciano & there may be no one better in FA per our cap status, was taken advantage of by playoff caliber defensive lines. This is the ultimate comparison 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I have no problem with the player wanting to get paid. I have no problem with letting Milano walk. But I will be slightly annoyed when he signs with New England and we have to play him twice a year. The good news is, the BILLS are now the team that vets looking to chase a ring will come to. So I'm expecting Beane to work his magic on the entire front 7 this offseason. Yes! Right on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 hours ago, eee1776 said: Move Edmonds to Milano's slot and move Kline in the Middle. his natural position. I'm sorry, but if people are going to keep beating this tired horse, could you please explain what exactly is the difference in their positions within McD's defensive scheme? It's been repeatedly stated by the coaches, players (i.e. Lorenzo Alexander, Milano, Tre, etc.) that there's absolutely little to no difference between their positions, assignments, coverages, etc. beyond the fact that Edmunds is captaining the playcalls from Frazier. By this logic, we would switch that responsibility to Klein and have no marked difference between them in positional assignment? Only asking because that's all that would accomplish and would be exceptionally suspect. 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Klein will be here per his contract which improves flexibility but I expect a fair offer to Milano and then a plan to replace him in the draft if he takes more elsewhere. I think the LB position is easier to replace on the draft, and get immediate production from as a rookie, than say RT. Agreed - I see a fair offer in attempt to keep a solid player in the same system, but would rather see the dollars go to maintaining the OL. Particularly Williams and Feliciano in that order. Milano's position would be easier to target replacement at 30 or in the second round than OL would, and like you say contribute immediately. I wonder now with the likelihood of a non-covid season in 2021/22 that there will be cap space freed with DL and OL depth being released, which may help keep Milano. But remains to be seen. Worth noting the obvious as well, that Milano is exceptional in coverage for his position which is the only piece I'm skeptical of replacing. However that trait will decline with age and injury, especially against TEs like Kelce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nitro Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 He was good but not top dollar good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: White is locked up long term. Why even mention him? Only because he deserves mentioning when you talk MVP's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Would you all Pay Milano 3 years/$40M? That seems reasonable And feasible, and what sportrac in the OP’s article Estimated in terms of his market value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Cover1 says "Hi" And that's not even including some of the eye-poppers he laid down in the 2nd half of the season this year. I get it that Beane may have to make difficult prioritization decisions and if I were he, I'm not sure where Milano falls on my prioritization, but let's not diss on a guy who has totally played his ass off and been a difference maker - when on the field. As Beane said in his presser, that's really their only concern with him. Best ability, availability and all that. A lot changed since then... In all, Im not far off from where you are, I mean i'd like him back for a fair price. I agree a fair offer is in order. Buffalo has other fat to trim that could off set some cost here... The gamefilm was uneven in 20. Sure there were some great highlights, but also tread water at times. This year proved he is very dependent on who is playing in front of him. Ability to stay healthy must be fully gauged. A position that is not as hard to find production, and that will get highlight plays in this defense if manned competently. The notion someone will overpay for Matt this particular year seems unlikely to me. I think the point someone made that. certain batches of FAs may be SOL this season could be accurate. Edited February 1, 2021 by RichRiderBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 No top dollar. He has durability issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I left my wallet in the car 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Would you all Pay Milano 3 years/$40M? That seems reasonable And feasible, and what sportrac in the OP’s article Estimated in terms of his market value. No I would not. That money should be invested in the trenches. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Coming into this year, I felt Milano was a candidate for extension if he had a great season and stayed healthy. Instead he was dinged up more than both years prior and in the Playoffs, his skills as a cover guy on TE's were non-existent. Considering the upgrades we need to make and the amount of key contributors that are FA's, I was kinda against re-signing him to begin with. Top Dollar? Hahahahahahahahahahaha My non-medical, pull out of as- viewpoint is that is that body type (not compact), makes him great in coverage but , like Edmunds, perhaps prone to "reaching-type" injuries to extremities. An AJ Klein probably can't jump more than a foot off the ground or sprint , but his compact body doesn't get dinged on the edges the way TE and MM's can and do. I'd rather have the guy who can stay on the field and be above average than have the super athlete type who gets picked off every 6th game. I'm guessing (there I go again) that most NFL LBs probably can't even get into the situations that caused TE and MM's injuries, which in a way is good (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Would you all Pay Milano 3 years/$40M? That seems reasonable And feasible, and what sportrac in the OP’s article Estimated in terms of his market value. No. I’d much rather trim the fat on the DL and give Leonard Williams $20m per year than give Milano almost $14m per year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you look at a salary tracking site like Overthecap, you will see that 8 teams have >$20M over a projected cap of $176M. 16 teams have $7M or more free. All Milano needs is one team with free cap $$ and a need for a LB of his skill set. Was that the math you had in mind? Were not one of those teams with loads of space, i believe we are over right now. I do not believe it would be wise to cut players so we can throw big money at a LB who is not elite or even in the great category. I think there will be plenty of players that get cut/released this offseason for salary cap reasons, this is what the Patriots did for years. They let many players walk over the years that were not great and replaced them so they could stay competitive . When i think of Milano i think of his huge missed tackle on Watson in the playoffs last season and his swing and a miss tackle on Mahomes this season, then you add Kelce doing whatever he chooses along with our LB'S being worse in the NFL covering TE'S. Yes i will agree he is a good player, i just don't believe you pay him a mountain of money because that is saved for difference makers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Figster said: Only because he deserves mentioning when you talk MVP's Fair enough. And to that point, lets look at those guys who were recently re-signed. Dion Dawkins, our starting LT. And Tre White, our all-pro #1 CB. Both signed new long term deals, and both are in the $13M-14M/year range. Dawkins never even reaches $14M across his entire deal. So if Milano wants $10M, then maybe. But I'm not paying him the same as our LT and #1CB. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, Niagara Dude said: Were not one of those teams with loads of space, i believe we are over right now. I do not believe it would be wise to cut players so we can throw big money at a LB who is not elite or even in the great category. I think there will be plenty of players that get cut/released this offseason for salary cap reasons, this is what the Patriots did for years. They let many players walk over the years that were not great and replaced them so they could stay competitive . When i think of Milano i think of his huge missed tackle on Watson in the playoffs last season and his swing and a miss tackle on Mahomes this season, then you add Kelce doing whatever he chooses along with our LB'S being worse in the NFL covering TE'S. Yes i will agree he is a good player, i just don't believe you pay him a mountain of money because that is saved for difference makers. He's a good, even great player at times. But with Allens extension looming - and UFAs all over the offensive line (a unit that needs upgrading), it may just be poor timing. The reduced cap will hit free agents hard, but if hes considered a difference maker by a team - he will still command in the 12-15 per year range. 15M would put him as the 3rd highest AAV hit among ILBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The Wizard Beane will have a solid offer for Milano. He has to in order to send a message to the rest of the team that guys will get paid commensurate with their production and availability. I don’t think it will be enough but it’s possible in this low cap upcoming season that it will be. I’d expect Beane to have a few guys on the radar in the same salary range as offered to Milano that we could make offers to to plug that hole if Milano leaves. There are going to be a lot of guys on the FA market who are salary cap casualties this season. I don’t think he will draft his replacement in the first. Edmunds is here to stay at MLB. McD LOVES the guy. I don’t necessarily agree but all this talk about Edmunds going to WLB or whatever is never going to happen. We are going to pick up his 5th year option no question and unless he implodes he will be at MLB for a loooooong time. No way Ford goes to RT, that experiment is over. I think he may be a bust but I’m hoping this season was all a result of injury and he can fill a guard spot as a solid starter. IDK. I expect Morse to get cut and Feliciano to slide over to center for this season and we draft his eventual replacement. I agree with others and hope we can retain Williams. We probably need to offer him more than we’d like but I can see Beane doing that considering what a solid job Williams did and goal #1 has to be to improve that O-line and get some running back in the offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I left my wallet in the car And which car is yours, exactly??? 🤑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 For some reason I've always pictured Milano in a Colts uni. Seems like a fit there, and they have the cap space. That's my bet on his landing place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Would you all Pay Milano 3 years/$40M? That seems reasonable And feasible, and what sportrac in the OP’s article Estimated in terms of his market value. No...sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) So this is the downside of McDerott's system, which uses 2 Backers on he field almost all the time. You gotta PAY 2 backers who can be 3 down backers in any situation, AND be able to have them blitz. Those dudes are rare, and you usually find them in the first round (it's why Micah Parsons is gonna go in the first). There is an excellent argument to be made to let one of Edmunds or Milano go, and then switch to a tradtional 4-3. have a traditional Mike, and traditional Sam/Will backers, who you ask to be more run stuff + flat + blitz off the edge. Those guys are cheaper, and then when you have pure pass downs, fields 6 DBs, and on hybrid situations, you can still run a nickel to be able play both run and pass. AJ Klein can be your 2nd backer on 3rd and 5, if the opposition is in 11 personnel. You can let Edmunds cover the middle and Klein run the flats. What you can't ask him to do is play a huge zone on 3rd and 10. Right now the Bills basically split the field between Edmunds and Milano, and that works against the non-elite TE teams. Milano should be an Alpha dog MLB on a defense. The Bills D requires 2. Let him go and get paid elsewhere, adjust your base system so you don't need 2 super talented backers. Edited February 1, 2021 by appoo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, appoo said: So this is the downside of McDerott's system, which uses 2 Backers on he field almost all the time. You gotta PAY 2 backers who can be 3 down backers in any situation, AND be able to have them blitz. Those dudes are rare, and you usually find them in the first round (it's why Micah Parsons is gonna go in the first). There is an excellent argument to be made to let one of Edmunds or Milano go, and then switch to a tradtional 4-3. have a traditional, and traditional Sam/Will backers, who you ask to be more run stuff + flat + blitz off the edge. Those guys are cheaper, and then when you have pure pass downs, fields 6 DBs, and on hybrid situations, you can still run a nickel to be able play both run and pass. AJ Klein can be your 2nd backer on 3rd and 5, if the opposition is in 11 personnel. You can let Edmunds cover the middle and Klein run the flats. What you can't ask him to do is play a huge zone on 3rd and 10. Right now the Bills basically split the field between Edmunds and Milano, and that works against the non-elite TE teams. Milano should be an Alpha dog MLB on a defense. The Bills D requires 2. Let him go and get paid elsewhere, adjust your base system so you don't need 2 super talented backers. Our base scheme IS a 4-3. But in the pass-happy modern NFL, teams run a Nickel more than anything else so it becomes the de facto "base", hence the 2 LBs. Also, Milano plays OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Our base scheme IS a 4-3. But in the pass-happy modern NFL, teams run a Nickel more than anything else so it becomes the de facto "base", hence the 2 LBs. Also, Milano plays OLB. When the Bills go 5-2, they use basically a Will and a Mike, but not really an outside backer. McDermott's system isn't really a 4-3. He has that package to deploy though, as he uses it the rare times Klein is on the field. The NFL is pass happy, but when you have 2 top notch backers, I think McDermott's scheme is awesome. Having a backer who can cover a huge amount of space, blitz, and still play the run is a real weapon, and when you have 2, it's like having a Unicorn defense. That's why the Bills are almost always in a 5-2. Literally, I don't think the Bills have run a dime look this year. The Chiefs used that as their primary defense against the Bills last weekend. realize "5-2" can be confusing. What I'm meaning is a 4-2-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: https://fansided.com/2021/02/01/bills-free-agent-matt-milano-looking-top-dollar-free-agency/ In the latest Stacking the Box column, FanSided’s national NFL reporter Matt Verderame has heard from a source that linebacker Matt Milano is looking for “top dollar” in free agency. “Per source, Milano is looking for top-dollar at his position,” writes Verderame. “Although he’s without Pro Bowl or All-Pro accolades, Milano has been a playmaker and culture-maker. The fourth-year man has racked up 101 tackles in 2019 and then 3.5 sacks and win hits in 2020, while providing quality coverage. He’ll have a strong market.” https://fansided.com/2021/02/01/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-super-bowl-preview/ I saw this on my timeline....can you please explain to me who in the blue hell Matt Vanderame is? It seems that he’s a blogger which is the equivalent to a site like Buffalo Rumbling. Hardly Adam Shefter here. But he’s probably right. Milano switched agents and he’s gonna paid. If I’m Buffalo, I look into getting rid of Tremaine Edmunds and using the money that we planned to allocate toward resigning him, to Milano. IMO Edmunds will go down as Beane’s biggest draft miss Edited February 1, 2021 by JohnNord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Fair enough. And to that point, lets look at those guys who were recently re-signed. Dion Dawkins, our starting LT. And Tre White, our all-pro #1 CB. Both signed new long term deals, and both are in the $13M-14M/year range. Dawkins never even reaches $14M across his entire deal. So if Milano wants $10M, then maybe. But I'm not paying him the same as our LT and #1CB. I agree on $10M, Buffalo needs to meet Milano somewhrere in the middle IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Good luck. No one will pay top dollar for a guy that can't stay healthy. He's a nice player but plug a rookie in and we won't see much drop off. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I like Milano but not that much. He's not worth top dollar and IMO can be comparably replaced by a cheaper guy. Our LB weren't stellar by any means and he just may have been the best of an average group, which might make him feel and seem better than he actually is. But if the price is right, for sure keep him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Figster said: I agree on $10M, Buffalo needs to meet Milano somewhrere in the middle IMO. $10M is my middle. I'd rather pay him $8M, he could probably get $12M. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So if he leaves say this March, do we get the extra pick in 2021 or would it be the 2022 draft? 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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