jethro_tull Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And yet, as your data implies, quite a number of HC who went on to be OCs or DCs have been offered a second chance Quite a number of 1st time candidates also fail, so by that logic one shouldn't hire one of them either And then there's the college ranks, what's the record there? The point is people learn and grow, and a good coach may be well deserving of a 2nd look. It can happen, yes. Understanding the circumstances in Minnesota - roster talent, GM, etc. that may not have been his fault would be something to consider. For me I have a problem giving a successful head coach a second chance much less a failed one. In other words there needs to be a good story, a believable well constructed plan to consider. I am not sure I would have hired Mike McCarthy at Dallas for example. But as you mention, the odds are not that good no matter where they come from ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 If we can have 45 year old QB’s, 61 year old Head Coaches shouldn’t be a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 If it means Deshaun Watson stays in HOU, by all means I hope Frazier gets the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Marv Levy anyone? Isnt it amazing how little people learn from our own history? Belichick. The 🐐 after his second try Edited January 11, 2021 by Solomon Grundy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: be better than this I don't think that the poster's comment was meant as a dig at Frazier. I think the comment was meant to suggest that the Texans are not seriously looking at Frazier. There have been many situations we teams are having a candidate interview to cynically satisfy the Rooney Rule. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Wow...I'm hearing some horrible stuff on this post, racial, and otherwise classless. Frazier was an experienced HC who made a playoff run. Worked w Dungy and saw how it was supposed to be done. He's led a top Defense here, and excelled, despite some loss of personel this year, got them back into form. He is a great canidate and wish him well. If Texans wanted to satisfy Rooney rule, they would simply have given Crennel an interview. I believe he is a serious canidate. Frasier deserves a lot better than a few of you are speaking about. This guy is OUR dude and he deserves a lot better and more respectful than what I'm hearing! Absolutely. If bums like Doug Marrone, Gregg Williams, Rex Ryan and Mike Mularkey can get second (and third) chances as HC, Leslie Frazier most certainly deserves another one...He seems like a class act who is respected by all...not a bad guy to be leading your team. Edited January 11, 2021 by mannc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 He would be such a good, stabilizing presence for that franchise. I know he really wants another shot at a head coaching job. I wish him luck! Glad to see that he’s at least getting an HCing interview. He should be getting more IMO. The Bills have had a top tier defense almost every year since he became DC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Leslie Frazier is a soft coach, and losing him would not bother me at all. We need a fiery defensive coach up in here. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Seems like a good guy, but he is likely not getting hired. 61 year olds rarely get hired as head coaches, especially ones who weren't that successful, so I'd guess it's unlikely. Good luck to him though, hope he gets the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Man I hope he gets it. I have wanted Mcd to take this Defense over for years. Absolutely hire him. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBobs Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I don't hate the move if I'm the Texans. By all accounts they lost the locker room this season. If I'm them I could see hiring a leader and experienced hand as head coach, especially if he could bring in coordinators that I was highly comfortable with. It's in vogue to hire a young offensive or defensive mind as your head coach but I'd rather get a leader there and some good coordinators than a specialist on one side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Man I hope he gets it. I have wanted Mcd to take this Defense over for years. Absolutely hire him. Please. McD wouldn't take over the D but I could see us giving the job to Eric Washington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Would obviously rather lose Frazier than Daboll if one had to choose since McDermott could assume a large role on the Defensive side if needed while bringing a new DC up to speed on The Process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 How the hell does the NFL allow interviews of both coordinators going into the divisional round? It's ridiculous and puts us at a major disadvantage. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Would we get two 3rd rd picks for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, JAMIEBUF12 said: Jeeze not much love for our coach???? I think he has done a pretty good job with what he has to work with.Not having Star this season really hurt and not having a clearcut#2 cornerback has hurt.I think Leslie runs what coach Mcdermott wants him to run... Its amazing we've won any games with a D Coord that blows, an O Coord that should be fired, a Head Coach that can't get it done and a GM who constantly misses on picks. 🙄 Now, how do *I* use the sarcasm reaction to my OWN post? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: How the hell does the NFL allow interviews of both coordinators going into the divisional round? It's ridiculous and puts us at a major disadvantage. I think Ravens’ DC is going through interviews, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I think Frazier and McD work very well together. They are both very good at developing/coaching players. I would hate to see Frazier go. 10 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: How the hell does the NFL allow interviews of both coordinators going into the divisional round? It's ridiculous and puts us at a major disadvantage. I was thinking this as well, our coordinators need as much time as possible to game plan the Ravens and really should’nt be taking interviews until after we are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Already interviewed a minority candidate. Can people please stop bringing up Rooney rule whenever a minority coach is interviewed. It's very disrespectful. the rule itself is disrespectful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Kudos to Frazier! He deserves the interview and serious consideration for HC job again. I don't know IF he has the mentality to be a HC, especially in the current NFL that is so Offense-centered, but he is a very good coach and seems like a genuinely good man. I do know his players love to play for him and respect him, and that's half the battle in the NFL. I'd be happy for him to get a promotion and not too worried about that side of the ball since I trust McD's chops in choosing good personnel / coaches to get in synergy with his vision and philosophy. Either way, wish Frazier the best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said: Good. He blows. Way to stay classy there joe... Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: How the hell does the NFL allow interviews of both coordinators going into the divisional round? It's ridiculous and puts us at a major disadvantage. Amazing, isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I think he he deserves interviews given our D last year and adjustments this year after a bad start. Although last weeks game was bad. I’m not sure I’d hire him based on his past HC record and performance this year with Edmunds and the run D regressing, but he deserves interviews. That said, it’s absurd interviews are allowed during the divisional round. The NfL should not allow any coaching interviews of anyone until after the SB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: How the hell does the NFL allow interviews of both coordinators going into the divisional round? It's ridiculous and puts us at a major disadvantage. Agreed. The fact of the matter is that these things take time to do, and they also take emotional effort and preparation. By their very nature, they *have* to take away from your prep/focus on the next opponent, regardless of what they say -- I don't think all that time is just spent lounging around doing nothing in a normal week for NFL coordinators. Edited January 11, 2021 by Giuseppe Tognarelli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Belichick. The 🐐 after his second try Greatest cheater of all time, busted every four and half years ish on average for two decades.... Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Among the conspiracy theories on Twitter: - Frazier is just being interview to comply with the Rooney rule (even though they interview Jim Caldwell) - The interview is a performative gesture in response to Watson allegedly not being happy that a minority candidate like Eric Bienemy was considered. and my favorite: - Interviewing Frazier is all part of an elaborate scheme for Nick Caserio to help his fellow John Carrol alumni Greg Roman get a competitive edge. He’s simply interviewing Leslie to distract him from preparing a game plan this week. More time interviewing = less time game planning! LOL Of course, if he wanted to do a solid for his buddy you’d think he’d give Roman the interview! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Leslie's earned another shot somewhere imho, but the timing (given our playoff run) of even the interviews for both he and Dabs stinks, as has been pointed out already upthread. I do believe that the players & organization as a whole are deep enough into the culture, process timeline that the loss of either or both can be overcome (and maybe even upgraded) for us. That's my story at least and I'm sticking to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, BearNorth said: Yes, completely understand Star opting out, apparently he was genetically predisposed to COVID, and decision came late. First 6 games defense was a mess, and not great against Indy. Hope he stays with a full toolkit next year. Speaking of star what a kick in the gonads if we win the super bowl and he opted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 About age, 61 is not that old these days. He's got potentially 10-15 years of coaching left. Marv certainly did an incredible job in his 60s (on his second go round). Andy Reid is 62 or 63 I think and on his second go round and is doing pretty well too. (And of course, Belichick got a second chance and now he's getting a medal for cheating his way to the top.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, OZBILLS said: Amazing, isn't it. Would be a bit like the Dees interviewing Horse or Bucks the week before the prelim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineforty Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 49 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: I don't think that the poster's comment was meant as a dig at Frazier. I think the comment was meant to suggest that the Texans are not seriously looking at Frazier. There have been many situations we teams are having a candidate interview to cynically satisfy the Rooney Rule. this is the way I took it as well. I thought it was an insult to Bob McNair's previous racist comments and for the recent story about his son neglecting the hiring firm's suggestion of hiring a minority as GM. love me some Leslie and hope he gets another HC gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 45 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: How the hell does the NFL allow interviews of both coordinators going into the divisional round? It's ridiculous and puts us at a major disadvantage. Just so everyone's aware because I remembered something about this rule but just looked it up to confirm: teams cannot interview coaches on playoff teams after this upcoming weekend's games, so this is the last week for them to interview Daboll/Frazier until we lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I assume Caserio will only hire someone he interviews so prior interviews may not matter much even though they are satisfying the rule. That said, I think it's interesting that Frazier was selected and I think it's a recognition of his work with the Bills. Assuming the folks in NE* respected Frazier. Good luck with the interview coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, JAMIEBUF12 said: Jeeze not much love for our coach???? I think he has done a pretty good job with what he has to work with.Not having Star this season really hurt and not having a clearcut#2 cornerback has hurt.I think Leslie runs what coach Mcdermott wants him to run... They're a year removed from being top 5 as well. 27 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Among the conspiracy theories on Twitter: - Frazier is just being interview to comply with the Rooney rule (even though they interview Jim Caldwell) - The interview is a performative gesture in response to Watson allegedly not being happy that a minority candidate like Eric Bienemy was considered. and my favorite: - Interviewing Frazier is all part of an elaborate scheme for Nick Caserio to help his fellow John Carrol alumni Greg Roman get a competitive edge. He’s simply interviewing Leslie to distract him from preparing a game plan this week. More time interviewing = less time game planning! LOL Of course, if he wanted to do a solid for his buddy you’d think he’d give Roman the interview! The players don't interview though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said: About age, 61 is not that old these days. He's got potentially 10-15 years of coaching left. Marv certainly did an incredible job in his 60s (on his second go round). Andy Reid is 62 or 63 I think and on his second go round and is doing pretty well too. (And of course, Belichick got a second chance and now he's getting a medal for cheating his way to the top.) Normally I would agree but I think that his age will probably hurt him only because owners want a young, flashy innovative thinker. I do believe that Frazier might actually be a good HC hire in the right situation. He’s a very calm and positive presence who relates well to people and just about all players love playing for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Kwai San said: 2 Words.....Rooney Rule. Didn't the Texans already interview Marvin Lewis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 31 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Just so everyone's aware because I remembered something about this rule but just looked it up to confirm: teams cannot interview coaches on playoff teams after this upcoming weekend's games, so this is the last week for them to interview Daboll/Frazier until we lose. Appreciate your opinion. But it is feasible to prepare for an interview which they should have been getting ready for over last several weeks. They get such an adrenaline high from that they can also have game prep. I know most people disagree but I don’t see it as a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: He would be such a good, stabilizing presence for that franchise. I know he really wants another shot at a head coaching job. I wish him luck! Glad to see that he’s at least getting an HCing interview. He should be getting more IMO. The Bills have had a top tier defense almost every year since he became DC. That's my take too. Houston could use a little process and stability... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, mannc said: Absolutely. If bums like Doug Marrone, Gregg Williams, Rex Ryan and Mike Mularkey can get second (and third) chances as HC, Leslie Frazier most certainly deserves another one...He seems like a class act who is respected by all...not a bad guy to be leading your team. and look what happened to them..... they are the rule and not the exception. i did a deep dive on this years ago when the Bills hired Ryan and the odds are really low that they will become successful. Edited January 11, 2021 by jethro_tull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I wish these teams would stop distracting our coordinators during the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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