Sherlock Holmes Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, you've expressed your opinion. I'm just saying it's not that extreme... A few years ago sure but not now. Hopefully Lee can find that work ethic and become spectacular here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: From the PFF NFL Podcast, Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson discuss Darron Lee. Steve and Sam dive into Darron's career grades when playing in coverage to paint a full picture in contrast to his 1 year he graded well in coverage. Am I the only one who finds these guys ridiculous trying to explain how a player sucks after giving him the grades that say he doesn't suck? If your grading system isn't accounting for these types of deviations, maybe your grading system kind of sucks? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, you've expressed your opinion. I'm losing count of how many times with almost the exact same words. After he started playing in the NFL, when was Kurt Warner ever left on the street? Wasn't Warner back bagging groceries in between NYG and Cardinals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Am I the only one who finds these guys ridiculous trying to explain how a player sucks after giving him the grades that say he doesn't suck? If your grading system isn't accounting for these types of deviations, maybe your grading system kind of sucks? Yeah, this is totally Weak Sauce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, Billl said: The Chiefs had NOTHING at LB last season, and Lee could barely sniff the field beyond some special teams snaps. Didn't he play in 3-4 defenses in both places? Maybe he would be better suited in our 4-3? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Scouting report coming out of college. He has played predominantly in a 4-3 defense as an OLB, but has also shown an ability to play in a 3-4 defense that OSU utilizes against spread teams as well as in their blitz packages. In OSU’s 4-3 scheme this player will always line up to the field and be asked to play in space. He is the conflict player in the Run/Pass/Option game and plays this role well. His speed and athleticism allow him to play as an apexed LB and cover both run and pass. Klein replacement? https://landryfootball.com/draft-scouting-report-on-ohio-state-linebacker-darron-lee/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Wasn't Warner back bagging groceries in between NYG and Cardinals? Warner had a 2 year contract with the Giants, and the option to void it. He wasn't happy about being benched. He voided it at the end of 2004. The Cardinals signed him in FA before the 2005 season. At that point he was a former Super Bowl MVP and 2x NFL MVP who'd signed a $47M contract with the Rams and he'd played well enough with the Giants to show that his broken hand issues were behind him. Shades of Minshew, actually - I'd forgotten until now but Kurt Warner is an example of a QB who broke bones in his hand and may have lacked transparency about it with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Putin said: I’m with you I thought the same as well Sometimes being in the right system can make all the difference, ( we can hope ? ) Spagnuolo runs a Similar defense To McDermott Edited October 30, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Didn't he play in 3-4 defenses in both places? Maybe he would be better suited in our 4-3? KC runs a 4-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Warner had a 2 year contract with the Giants, and the option to void it. He wasn't happy about being benched. He voided it at the end of 2004. The Cardinals signed him in FA before the 2005 season. At that point he was a former Super Bowl MVP and 2x NFL MVP who'd signed a $47M contract with the Rams and he'd played well enough with the Giants to show that his broken hand issues were behind him. Shades of Minshew, actually - I'd forgotten until now but Kurt Warner is an example of a QB who broke bones in his hand and may have lacked transparency about it with the team. Maybe I'm thinking he should've been bagging groceries the way he was playing on Giants and 1st year Cardinals. Speaking of Minshew II... I think he can be a Cousins, but probably won't be elite unless we are talking backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Spagnuolo runs a Similar defense To McDermott Like I said we can hope , we didn’t give much for this experiment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 loved him outa college don't know what has happened to him since worth a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Nextmanup said: From the PFF NFL Podcast, Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson discuss Darron Lee. Steve and Sam dive into Darron's career grades when playing in coverage to paint a full picture in contrast to his 1 year he graded well in coverage. It's interesting. A quick check of his snap counts shows he played less than 200 snaps on defense last year in KC, 160 to be precise. Some of that relates to his four-game suspension, but still, 160 is not a lot by any standard. I'm curious to see what they get out of him. 1 hour ago, TwistofFate said: Am I the only one who finds these guys ridiculous trying to explain how a player sucks after giving him the grades that say he doesn't suck? If your grading system isn't accounting for these types of deviations, maybe your grading system kind of sucks? You're probably not the only one, but the problem they're facing and talking about is endemic to any grading system you can think of. When a guy has two extremely good games it's absolutely going to warp things a lot, especially when he is suspended four games and most especially when he has only 160 snaps total to look at. That conversation totally made sense and any grading system would have the same concerns. Edited October 30, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 No risk....high reward type thing to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Totally fine with this. Has flaws but he's fast enough to presumably get to the ball at least. Klein is hard to watch. Heath is clearly paramount this year especially with Covid and he's a body that's done some things. Happy to see a move, hoping to see more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Wasn't Warner back bagging groceries in between NYG and Cardinals? He was drafted in the NFL by Packers - flamed out, stocked shelves at minimum wage, played Arena Football, signed with Rams behind Trent Green before leading team to two SB's after Green was hurt (plus two NFL MVP's), Bulger took his job, signed with Giants - was okay, signed with Cardinals - led them to Super Bowl, retired, lowered himself to Dancing With the Stars, worked as NFL analyst (still does), and made both pro football hof and arena football hof. Typical career path. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: No risk....high reward type thing to me Agree! Based on what we've gotten (or, not) out of Klein, why not take a look. Nothing to lose at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: He was drafted in the NFL by Packers - flamed out, stocked shelves at minimum wage, played Arena Football, signed with Rams behind Trent Green before leading team to two SB's after Green was hurt (plus two NFL MVP's), Bulger took his job, signed with Giants - was okay, signed with Cardinals - led them to Super Bowl, retired, lowered himself to Dancing With the Stars, worked as NFL analyst (still does), and made both pro football hof and arena football hof. Typical career path. He was obviously in the wrong scheme. Had he brought his skill set to Topps Friendly Markets, he’d have been MVP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Darron Lee HA! The kid obviously is a good athlete (reason he was a first round pick), but just terrible instincts. Also what is it about the Bills and Jets rejects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Interesting. Was never really a fan but at this point I'd be willing to give anyone a look at linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 He never played well on the Jets, but it’s the Jets. As said, this a low risk, maybe decent reward for him and not costly. Don’t hold you’re breath we trade for some expensive piece this weekend or by Tuesday. Beane is too smart for a decision that would hurt us down the road. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Gotta be better than Klein, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 he's got speed which is always great. but so does edmunds. maybe in this scheme he can pull his career together but im not holding my breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Jerry Hughes was considered a bust after 3 years with the Colts. I am going to make a sacrifice to Jobu and pray that Lee blossoms under Frazier and McDermott. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Tweener - plays soft, and isn't good enough in coverage to play big nickel. He doesn't have the chops to mix it up with a slot receiver, and he doesn't have the processing to play like a box safety. So if he's milano depth, i'd be concerned about his run defense since he isn't a heady player. Anything else and Im worried about his pass defense. Edited October 30, 2020 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Process said: Please tell me you are wrong and we are NOT paying Klein $6M???🤮 CONTRACT TERMS:3 yr(s) / $18,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$1,200,000 AVERAGE SALARY$6,000,000 GTD AT SIGN:$9,700,000 TOTAL GTD:$11,300,000 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER WORKOUT CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2020 29 $2,200,000 $400,000 $3,287,500 $100,000 $5,987,500 $6,700,000 $6,787,500($6,787,500) 2021 30 $4,100,000 $400,000 $1,800,000 $100,000 $6,400,000 $4,000,000 $6,000,000($12,787,500) POTENTIAL OUT: 2022, 2 YR, $12,787,500; $400,000 DEAD CAP 2022 31 $4,200,000 $400,000 $900,000 $100,000 $5,600,000 $400,000 $5,200,000($17,987,500) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Seems like there is still no new news on this. "Expected" to join but not "has joined" as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 pages about a PS/Non-Vet minimum signing? If they do sign him and he helps great. If he doesn't play or play well he will get cut. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: 8 pages about a PS/Non-Vet minimum signing? If they do sign him and he helps great. If he doesn't play or play well he will get cut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) My NY JetsFan buddy says Lee has no instinct, no guts and won't hit. "Lee sucks" were his words. He said he overruns plays, takes bad angles and avoids contact. Sounds like an Edmunds clone. Here's to hoping he can help with the D. I really wish we could acquire some size on the DL. We are so small and with Butler hurt all the time, the alternative is getting bullrushed all the time. Edited October 30, 2020 by BillsRdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: My NY JetsFan buddy says Lee has no instinct, no guts and won't hit. So your saying he's a maybe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Good athlete, but not a good football player. Edited October 30, 2020 by QCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, QCity said: Good athlete, but not a good football player. True so far, but he is only 26 and most of his career has been spent on the dysfunctional Jets. I think taking a chance on him turning his career around is well worth it. A former 1st rndr with elite LB speed who plays STs, definitely worth a shot imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Gotta be better than Klein, right? Totally different type of player ( in theory ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatixs Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Nobody does it like Darron Lee!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 How has the title of this post not yet been changed? He has only visited, if I'm not mistaken, and there's no evidence that he is actually signing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, Logic said: How has the title of this post not yet been changed? He has only visited, if I'm not mistaken, and there's no evidence that he is actually signing here. There's been some tweets suggesting he is expected to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 29 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: There's been some tweets suggesting he is expected to sign. Lee also RTd this 51 minutes ago, Logic said: How has the title of this post not yet been changed? He has only visited, if I'm not mistaken, and there's no evidence that he is actually signing here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 7 hours ago, Turk71 said: True so far, but he is only 26 and most of his career has been spent on the dysfunctional Jets. I think taking a chance on him turning his career around is well worth it. A former 1st rndr with elite LB speed who plays STs, definitely worth a shot imo. this could end up being one of those underrated signings that saves us if Milano gets hurt again. This defence has been brutal when Milano is not on the field. 5 hours ago, Logic said: How has the title of this post not yet been changed? He has only visited, if I'm not mistaken, and there's no evidence that he is actually signing here. I think it’s pretty much a done deal. Just waiting on COVID protocols. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, BillsRdue said: My NY JetsFan buddy says Lee has no instinct, no guts and won't hit. "Lee sucks" were his words. He said he overruns plays, takes bad angles and avoids contact. Sounds like an Edmunds clone. Here's to hoping he can help with the D. I really wish we could acquire some size on the DL. We are so small and with Butler hurt all the time, the alternative is getting bullrushed all the time. Its week 8 and he's a healthy unsigned UFA. He's not been a good player. That said sometimes scheme fit can change a players career. A trade I would watch for is maybe a swap of DT's, Harrison Phillips for Giants NT Dalvin Tomlinson. Edited October 31, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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