uticaclub Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, teef said: You know when we’ll beat those good teams? In the playoffs bro. In the playoffs. Got beat good teams to make the playoffs this year. Granted in years past we would not have taken advantage of the soft schedule we had in 2019, but this year we are going to need some quality wins to get to the dance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) The Bills have been gradually improving since the time Sean McDemott got here. A "signature win" would be representative of how good the team is at the time. We were a borderline Wild Card team in 2017, in the middle of a rebuild with a rookie QB in 2018, and then back to being a solid Wild Card team in 2019. It's hard to notch a signature win against a Super Bowl contender when you simply aren't that good yet. - I would consider our road wins against the Falcons and Chiefs (both 10-6) to be signature wins in 2017, and really set the tone for this team breaking the playoff drought. - I would consider our wins against the Titans, Cowboys and Steelers to be signature wins in 2019, with us beating other Wild Card-level teams. The bar has clearly been raised this season, and nobody is going to be impressed with us beating teams like the Raiders (or even the Patriots) anymore. The games against the Titans and Chiefs were opportunities to make our mark. And we failed badly at both. That doesn't mean we can't turn things up in the second half of the season, and notch one of these kinds of victories. If we can walk away with a victory against the Seahawks, 49ers or Steelers... that would definitely be the signature win that fans are looking for. Edited October 28, 2020 by mjt328 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Win a Championship game (AFC or SB) is a 'signature' win. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 35 minutes ago, mjt328 said: The Bills have been gradually improving since the time Sean McDemott got here. A "signature win" would be representative of how good the team is at the time. We were a borderline Wild Card team in 2017, in the middle of a rebuild with a rookie QB in 2018, and then back to being a solid Wild Card team in 2019. It's hard to notch a signature win against a Super Bowl contender when you simply aren't that good yet. - I would consider our road wins against the Falcons and Chiefs (both 10-6) to be signature wins in 2017, and really set the tone for this team breaking the playoff drought. - I would consider our wins against the Titans, Cowboys and Steelers to be signature wins in 2019, with us beating other Wild Card-level teams. The bar has clearly been raised this season, and nobody is going to be impressed with us beating teams like the Raiders (or even the Patriots) anymore. The games against the Titans and Chiefs were opportunities to make our mark. And we failed badly at both. That doesn't mean we can't turn things up in the second half of the season, and notch one of these kinds of victories. If we can walk away with a victory against the Seahawks, 49ers or Steelers... that would definitely be the signature win that fans are looking for. At minimum the Bills have to win a playoff game. Winning the division would be very nice but going one and done again won't cut it especially when its a home playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Wouldn't mind a taste in the regular season. Only beaten three playoff teams 2017-19, the Falcons 10-6, Chiefs 10-6 in 2017 & last year's Titans 9-7. A little practice (i.e. beating playoff teams) wouldn't be a bad idea.....😉 you spend you time worrying about the regular season. i'll spend my time worrying about big boy wins. 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: Got beat good teams to make the playoffs this year. Granted in years past we would not have taken advantage of the soft schedule we had in 2019, but this year we are going to need some quality wins to get to the dance bro. move the bar. demand excellence. 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: Well that would be nice for a change... you've become so accustomed to mediocrity. change your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisker A Tasker Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 His first signature win came against the Falcons on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: The weather looks good for the Seattle game, balls will be flying. If the Bills beat the Seahawks, this would be McDermott's first signatue win of his HC career. Psshh The Seahawks defense isn't that great and it is a home game for the Bills. If they win that one it will be because of those 2 reasons. Then it will be winning the Cardinals game will be a signature win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, section122 said: Psshh The Seahawks defense isn't that great and it is a home game for the Bills. If they win that one it will be because of those 2 reasons. Then it will be winning the Cardinals game will be a signature win. Would be nice to see the Bills go out and assert themselves vs. the worst Defense in the NFL (and another below average one too). BTYW Arizona is only so high because they played Dallas (Andy Dalton), NYJ & Washington. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netYardsPerGame/dir/desc However I expect McD to play it close to the vest and try and control the clock, because as opposed to the opponent being scared of the Bills offense, the Bills will be scared of their offense. That is his modus operandi. Edited November 2, 2020 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Question: Does a "signature" win count any more in the W-L column? Or does it still count as only one win? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, CLTbills said: Question: Does a "signature" win count any more in the W-L column? Or does it still count as only one win? Idk, but at least we aren't talking about "moral victories" like we used to from 2000-2017 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, CLTbills said: Question: Does a "signature" win count any more in the W-L column? Or does it still count as only one win? Yes it counts as 1.5 wins but still not as significant as point differential so the bills are still in real trouble 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, section122 said: Psshh The Seahawks defense isn't that great and it is a home game for the Bills. If they win that one it will be because of those 2 reasons. Then it will be winning the Cardinals game will be a signature win. Seattle is getting Jamal Adams back and they just acquired Carlos Dunlap. One the reason Seattle's defensive rankings aren't that high, is because they are so far ahead in the 4th, their opponents can rack up garbage yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, uticaclub said: Seattle is getting Jamal Adams back and they just acquired Carlos Dunlap. One the reason Seattle's defensive rankings aren't that high, is because they are so far ahead in the 4th, their opponents can rack up garbage yards They were up 2 against Miami with 8 minutes to play. They beat minnesota with 20 seconds left. Scored to lead Dallas with less than 2 minutes left. NE almost beat them as time expired. They lost to Zona in OT. And this past week they had 350 yards and were aided by a fumble on a kickoff return. They've definitely improved their pass rushing recently, but theyve given up 400+ yards every week except one. And the garbage time excuse isn't really there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Would be nice to see the Bills go out and assert themselves vs. the worst Defense in the NFL (and another below average one too). BTYW Arizona is only so high because they played Dallas (Andy Dalton), NYJ & Washington. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netYardsPerGame/dir/desc However I expect McD to play it close to the vest and try and control the clock, because as opposed to the opponent being scared of the Bills offense, the Bills will be scared of their offense. That is his modus operandi. 32 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Seattle is getting Jamal Adams back and they just acquired Carlos Dunlap. One the reason Seattle's defensive rankings aren't that high, is because they are so far ahead in the 4th, their opponents can rack up garbage yards My post was entirely tongue in cheek directed at those that keep moving the goal posts. The idea of a signature win is a dumb one imo. That said the back to back wins against the Cowboys and Steelers on the national stage, in games the Bills normally lose, was the turning point for this franchise imo. They went from the "get right" team where struggling teams would figure it out to a team you didn't want on your schedule. The Browns used the Bills as a get right game last year and in previous years so would the Patriots this year. Thankfully Justin Zimmer came through or this Monday would suck a lot more! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:33 AM, Wizard said: The Bills have not had a signature win in my opinion in the McClappy era. Some may argue the Cowboys win last year or even Andy Dalton's gift in breaking the playoff drought. We have had some good wins, but I started thinking... What do board members believe constitutes a signature win? Is it a dominant performance in all 3 phases of the game? A road victory against a frequent playoff team? Putting a blemish on a team with their first loss? A playoff win? A gutty come-from-behind victory? Beating the less formidable Patriots next week? I believe the Cardinals and Steelers got signature wins this week. The Bills so far have played as expected. They were manhandled by clearly better teams, won some cupcakes, and eeked out wins against teams comparable in skill this year. Will a Bills win against NE be signature level? Or, do they need to put together 3 wins in a row? (Jets, Pats, and Hawks, etc.) What pelt or pelts do they need on their wall to move from fairly good to great this year? Let's discuss. Signature wins come in the Post Season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) McD's regular season "signature" wins have come back to back now against the Pats and Hawks. Great stuff so far. Playoff W is next on the list. Lets GO! Edited November 8, 2020 by Real McNasty 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Yeah it came this week with multiple exclamation points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 7:35 AM, Hebert19 said: First and second is my guess. This apparently. And he may get another next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, High Football IQ said: Rams, Dolphins and Raiders all look like quality wins in hindsight and all 3 are on track for the playoffs if the season ended today. So it's possible that McD finishes at least 4-2 against teams that make the playoffs this year which would help improve his 3-15 record in such games the last 3 years prior to 2020. The way the Patriots have dominated the Bills the past 20 years I’d count that as a signature win too. They won’t be a playoff team, but the Bills may have finally gotten over the mental hurdle of the Patriots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) Kudos to Sean and the Team on their first signature win. Pretty much 95% of the media and pundits said we had no chance against Russ. The defensive effort wasn't perfect, but it was great. As was the offense led by Josh. This was the closest to a 4 quarter effort as we've seen in 3 years. Game balls to everyone. Players and coaches. Edited November 8, 2020 by LABILLBACKER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bills-get-signature-win-with-4434-victory-over-seahawks-212511515.html The Buffalo Bills are for real, and they want everyone to know. The Bills rode a strong first quarter to a 44-34 victory over an uncharacteristically feeble Seattle Seahawks on Sunday, making a statement against a powerful team and getting their signature win of the season. Bills quarterback Josh Allen became the sixth quarterback to pass for over 300 yards against Seattle, and Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson threw two interceptions and fumbled twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Curious to see if any of the trolls will be creative enough to disparage this win. Would be some next level trolling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 All of the issues with Seahawks were Wilson's. He had many errors not called by referees for he is NFL's golden boy. 2 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: Curious to see if any of the trolls will be creative enough to disparage this win. Would be some next level trolling. @Mr. WEO will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 We got the monkey off of our back last week beating the Pats, have wins against 4 teams currently with winning records, and beat the Seahawks today who were 6-1 coming in. I don't know what else needs to happen. We are light years ahead of where we were even last year. Hopefully things keep progressing in the right direction. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: Curious to see if any of the trolls will be creative enough to disparage this win. Would be some next level trolling. Their digging thru stats and will be back in force by Tuesday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Sorry, no signature win today, no defensive TDs, not a single safety, for defense minded HC that's a total failure....... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 As the OP of this thread, I have enjoyed the various viewpoints. Ironically, ESPN, whether loved or hated, made reference to this win as a Signature win. This was probably the most complete game by Buffalo this year and in recent memory in all 3 phases of the game. On to the next challenge and continued momentum to be a tough out in the playoffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsicat17 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Fixxxer said: Sorry, no signature win today, no defensive TDs, not a single safety, for defense minded HC that's a total failure....... Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but the 4 turnovers helped a lot.... As far as a “signature” win I think this one makes the football fans who don’t follow every moment of the Bills 24/7 (like the majority of us) take notice that we are for real. I think as far as coaches/players/fans a playoff win fits that bill a lot better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 The answer is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, pepsicat17 said: Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but the 4 turnovers helped a lot.... As far as a “signature” win I think this one makes the football fans who don’t follow every moment of the Bills 24/7 (like the majority of us) take notice that we are for real. I think as far as coaches/players/fans a playoff win fits that bill a lot better. I guess the sarcasm wasn't that obvious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Do signature wins count as 2? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I'm going to go with "yes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: All of the issues with Seahawks were Wilson's. He had many errors not called by referees for he is NFL's golden boy. @Mr. WEO will. Here you go, chief.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) I was tempted to start an "Apologize to the coaching staff" thread for all the nonsense posts over the few weeks about our game plans but decided to post here instead. That Pete Carroll post game quote about not anticipating us completely abandoning the run was priceless. We're a different team every week, emphasizing whatever we need in order to win the game. I don't know if this counts as a signature win but it was a good one. Edited November 9, 2020 by VW82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) On 11/3/2020 at 5:43 AM, MAJBobby said: Signature wins come in the Post Season. Some of them do. Others don't. I'm not referring to you, Major, but it cracks me up how some people operate here. They set a bar and when the bar is topped, there's an excuse why that doesn't count. This was absolutely a signature win. But though Seattle was thought of by pretty much everyone as a top three team and by many as the best in football, for some it won't count. You'll ask them why and they'll throw nonsense up in the air in vast dustclouds, but the real answer deep in their hearts is that the Bills only beat a team that was so bad that they could be beaten by the Buffalo Bills, and therefore couldn't have been much good. Yes, that's circular logic and logically eliminates the possibility of a signature win. But it's what's in their hearts. Edited November 9, 2020 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 5 hours ago, VW82 said: I was tempted to start an "Apologize to the coaching staff" thread for all the nonsense posts over the few weeks about our game plans but decided to post here instead. That Pete Carroll post game quote about not anticipating us completely abandoning the run was priceless. We're a different team every week, emphasizing whatever we need in order to win the game. I don't know if this counts as a signature win but it was a good one. The COVID PS rules help in that Metamorpho philosophy but have NOT seen what that Son of Bum did when he went back and forth between 3-4 and 4-3 alignment when he had 2 injuries to starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Yes this was absolutely the signature win so far of the Beane-McDermott era. We have known since last year we can beat bad teams that we should be able to beat. But now we know we can play with the big boy teams in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 11 hours ago, MJS said: Do signature wins count as 2? No just like moral victories(close losses) you get what you earned The bonus point would have been a Cowgirls win over the Squeelers 10 hours ago, VW82 said: Pete Carroll post game quote about not anticipating us completely abandoning the run was priceless. That was priceless You would think that would make their job stopping the Bills easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Here you go, chief.... Can you specify a page please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Some of them do. Others don't. I'm not referring to you, Major, but it cracks me up how some people operate here. They set a bar and when the bar is topped, there's an excuse why that doesn't count. This was absolutely a signature win. But though Seattle was thought of by pretty much everyone as a top three team and by many as the best in football, for some it won't count. You'll ask them why and they'll throw nonsense up in the air in vast dustclouds, but the real answer deep in their hearts is that the Bills only beat a team that was so bad that they could be beaten by the Buffalo Bills, and therefore couldn't have been much good. Yes, that's circular logic and logically eliminates the possibility of a signature win. But it's what's in their hearts. Completely Agree. There are Big Wins in the Season and this is One of them. I just dont think there is "signature" wins in the Season. Those for me come in the Post Season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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