poblano Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: not re signing Shaq was another. Maybe he could play for us when is inactive for Miami, you know, as has been happened in the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Augie said: Just falling down would have clogged the run lane better than he did. At least be a speed bump! Zimmer doesn’t have the protection of Children’s Social Services. BTW - what’s your address again? BOTH of our lines need to be upgraded. That’s what is currently holding us back. A couple “special finds” and we could look like a totally different team on both sides of the ball. I think getting Feliciano back will help the offense. I don't think we have anyone on this team...that hasn't opted out that can help this d line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Zimmer at least made some plays. But ouch that clip doesn't make him look good, does it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 To say anyone on this defensive line should replace another is laughable and after watching film zimmer needs to go back to the practice squad that was horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Jerome007 said: Zimmer at least made some plays. But ouch that clip doesn't make him look good, does it... Lesson learned for a number of us.😣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: 2nd week in a row Hughes played a 2nd string tackle filling in and hasn’t gotten home. He’s done even worse than that. He constantly lets the QB get around the end on his side to create big plays. That’s exactly what happened on the last 3d and long tonight, when the secondary did its job. And repeatedly last week when Tannehill killed they running. Hughes is useless, a liability on the field. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: 2nd week in a row Hughes played a 2nd string tackle filling in and hasn’t gotten home. I really don’t no why this is a surprise Hughes is in his 11 year his been in decline only HOF ball for 11 or 12 years and on. We should of been replaced him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, wvbillsfan said: I think the issue is we have a front four that specializes in getting after the qb and they aren’t doing that well. when we showed a backbone vs the run game did anyone notice it was the entire second string along the front Yep. And Klien made some nice stops later in the game when the DL and LBs stopped just batting at the ball as guys blew by them and remembered the concept of the 1st guy wraps up and the rest swarm there in a hurry to gang tackle. When that offensive player is wrapped up and stood up and is fighting for extra yards, that's when that second wave of defenders can come in and punch at the ball. One silver lining to your starters being injured or sucking, is that other guys on the roster get a chance to fill in and maybe you find a few gems buried on your depth chart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, High Football IQ said: Oliver might be one of the worst draft picks the last 20 years. Remember all that tough talk from him about nobody can block him? It's actually true because you can't block someone that's tossed aside with no resistance play after play. If I were Beane I'd try trading him to a 3-4 team where he can play end or fill a niche roll because he's definitely not an NFL caliber interior dlineman. You never saw Aaron Maybin "play" did you? Dude got tossed around like a ragdoll. But to you point, Oliver's not big enough to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I refuse to believe this guy is Maybin 5.0. I'd rather move him to the DE position. Its not like we are generating pressure from that position either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, High Football IQ said: Oliver might be one of the worst draft picks the last 20 years. Remember all that tough talk from him about nobody can block him? It's actually true because you can't block someone that's tossed aside with no resistance play after play. If I were Beane I'd try trading him to a 3-4 team where he can play end or fill a niche roll because he's definitely not an NFL caliber interior dlineman. 100% agreed. Oliver sucks. I pounded the table for Jeff Simmons that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Right upthread Watch the clip. Zimmer is #61 You expect him to be an all pro right out of the practice squad? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said: Nice take here 😂 There's this too I *think* we would have had a little less pressure on Mahomes and some better run D from Phillips and from Murphy. I can't tell you what the net result of that would have been - giving Mahomes more time is never a good idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There's this too I *think* we would have had a little less pressure on Mahomes and some better run D from Phillips and from Murphy. I can't tell you what the net result of that would have been - giving Mahomes more time is never a good idea. surely we have the worst dline in the league? I mean that’s embarrassing right there. score line did us a huge favor we got absolutely demolished by the chiefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Southtown Tommy said: Keep Zimmer in the lineup and rotate Oliver to DE. They are getting little production there - couldn't hurt. can Oliver set the edge on run plays? Seriously may be a better use on run downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 hours ago, wvbillsfan said: I think the issue is we have a front four that specializes in getting after the qb and they aren’t doing that well. when we showed a backbone vs the run game did anyone notice it was the entire second string along the front I actually told my friend when we got that 3rd down stop it was backups. I found that interesting. I really feel it sucks that against the top team in the league we decide to "try some guys out because they looked good in practice" why does McDermott have a propensity to tinker during the regular season. He did it with his O line a few years ago. Shouldn't that "best 5" be cemented in by week 6? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Zimmer played pretty well. KC doubled Oliver a lot from what I saw on the tv angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 hours ago, bills6969 said: In Zimmer’s short time on the field, he had 3 more tackles and 1 TFL. Oliver is a waste of space and frankly, is looking like a bust. YES. 6 hours ago, McBean said: 100% agreed. Oliver sucks. I pounded the table for Jeff Simmons that night. Warms my heart. I'm dunking all over the Oliver fan club this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: YES. Warms my heart. I'm dunking all over the Oliver fan club this year. Even when Oliver flushes the QB nobody cleans it up. He gets penetration and they can just side step because nobody else has the ability to collapse a pocket. There are a ton of problems on this line. Aren't you normally a stats doesn't tell the story kind of guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Even when Oliver flushes the QB nobody cleans it up. He gets penetration and they can just side step because nobody else has the ability to collapse a pocket. There are a ton of problems on this line. Aren't you normally a stats doesn't tell the story kind of guy? Normally. But I'm not a fan of undersized DTs and I don't believe it's a position that should be taken in the first round, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Zimmer played pretty well. KC doubled Oliver a lot from what I saw on the tv angle. Meh, he played ok... he had a few plays but got blown off the ball, I'm not sure I'd use pretty well. KC was using a lot of combo blacks, in run game and the Bills didn't have a DT to suck those up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Every team should call the same play against us on 3rd and under 7. QBs drops back, lets the 4 DL get after him, tuck and run for 7-25 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 i certainly understand the comments about Zimmers poor play but he was a PS guy,. How do you explain Oliver? top 10 overall draft pick...if i am not mistaken Oliver was not on field for the last game deciding drive by KC (Hurt??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 hours ago, LB48 said: I think Jordan didn't fit the teams mentality - - don't show off during a game! Sadly, we're left with Trent, Harrison Phillips and Hughes. Exactly culture over talent and this is what that gets you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 hours ago, poblano said: Maybe he could play for us when is inactive for Miami, you know, as has been happened in the season I get your sarcasm/snottiness- there really is not a place for that here. 14 minutes ago, chef4131 said: i certainly understand the comments about Zimmers poor play but he was a PS guy,. How do you explain Oliver? top 10 overall draft pick...if i am not mistaken Oliver was not on field for the last game deciding drive by KC (Hurt??) Never a fan of a small DL - Oliver really has been bad. PFF, of course not always spot on, has Oliver graded out at 55. Thats at the bottom and deemed “replaceable”. As of now. oliver is a whiff on Beane/McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: He is old and slow, even when he is “there” he isn’t. Looks like Jerry celebrated a holiday one day early. Today is 'International Sloth day' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 53 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Meh, he played ok... he had a few plays but got blown off the ball, I'm not sure I'd use pretty well. KC was using a lot of combo blacks, in run game and the Bills didn't have a DT to suck those up. Yes I suppose I mean he made some plays for a practice squad guy..... he is far from the answer for the Bills at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yes I suppose I mean he made some plays for a practice squad guy..... he is far from the answer for the Bills at the position. No Zimmer can't handle the double team combo block... But he was winning his one on ones more than any other D.lineman last night. Truth is we need a stout 1tech nt to be successful in our defense against good running games or we get gashed repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 15 hours ago, wvbillsfan said: What exactly does that mean. We play two linebackers 80 percent of the snaps. Doesn’t middle only pertain when we have a base defense out there? In regards to Edmunds - perhaps he's not suited to be a LB in our nickel defense. It could simply be a scenario where our system doesn't match our players -which is scary because we spent a lot of draft capital on players for this system. I keep waiting for his speed and length to be a factor, but he's playing reactionary, rarely penetrates and seems lost in coverage. Right now it seems like we have a lot of guys better suited to be defensive ends or a outside linebackers in a base defense, trying to play in the middle of the defense and it isn't working. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The Problem is our coaches think there scheme is a good of a fit with our DLine. Mc Dermott needs to get a Bigger and more Aggressive DT's in the line up BTW I wanted Jeffery Simmons in the Draft when we got Ed Oliver. Mississippi St DL play with an aggression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 17 hours ago, Blainorama5 said: Addison and Jefferson have flashed a few times, but mostly they just get handled pretty easily. Guess Phillips made a bigger impact last year than I thought. 16 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said: Nice take here 😂 Also, Epenesa getting stonewalled by a Tight End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Don't know which hot take thread it belongs in, but from the Mahomes post-game, "once we saw how far off their LBs, DBs, and safeties were playing, we knew we could just lean on the run game." Plain and simple, even in the rain, our defensive strategy this game was to take away Hill, Kelce, and the deep threat. Yea we'll give up yards on the ground but it'll slow the game down and it'll slow Mahomes down. Well, it did. It kept us in the game longer than it looked like. The problem is still of course the DL who can't anchor that kind of strategy. This Zimmer take is hilarious, he was obliterated on almost all running plays and certainly all where he was double-teamed. Not a knock against him alone, we have no DT presently capable of standing ground against a double team. Oliver is not that 1T, and frankly think he's still learning to trust his knee a bit more. This from today's Athletic article says a lot about this strategy last night actually: Quote The Chiefs ran the ball on first down 19 times throughout the game. Those 19 carries resulted in 139 yards and a 7.3 yards per carry. Three of those first downs came in the fourth quarter when the Chiefs were trying to run down the clock. If you remove those three attempts and resulting yardage, the Bills gave up 137 yards on 16 carries for an average of 8.6 yards per carry on first downs. Of those 16 carries, 15 of them went for at least 5 yards and the other one went for 4 yards. If you’re looking for a culprit on defense, their lack of wins on first downs is a great place to start. It doesn't get better, most of that was a Jefferson/Oliver combo getting taken advantage of. The rest were all rotated guys who suffered equally. I think this is an important point considering what we're all griping about from last night. This was a direct consequence of our strategy - allowing short/ground yards to eliminate big passes and chunk plays. It worked, well in fact, but the problem was our DL was porous on 1st and 2nd downs not giving us anything manageable to stop on 3rd. This is the cornerstone of McD's defensive philosophy, fwiw. Again, there's more than a few issues, including personnel - but my god we need to stop sharpening the pitchforks. All collective expectations for this team this season aside, winning teams all have bad stretches and blow outs, how they respond the rest of the season defines the team they are and will be. Again, my hope has been checked for the remainder of the season unless some fundamental strategies are worked out, and guys get healthy. But I find it hard to reason we'll be this team the rest of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, ctk232 said: .Again, there's more than a few issues, including personnel - but my god we need to stop sharpening the pitchforks. All collective expectations for this team this season aside, winning teams all have bad stretches and blow outs, how they respond the rest of the season defines the team they are and will be. Again, my hope has been checked for the remainder of the season unless some fundamental strategies are worked out, and guys get healthy. But I find it hard to reason we'll be this team the rest of the season. No no, if the Bills have bad games they must be flogged by fans, in the media, and flog themselves publicly until all confidence in their ability to play football is beaten out of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Zimmer DOES NOT need to be in the starting lineup. There that was easy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 20 hours ago, High Football IQ said: Oliver might be one of the worst draft picks the last 20 years. Remember all that tough talk from him about nobody can block him? It's actually true because you can't block someone that's tossed aside with no resistance play after play. If I were Beane I'd try trading him to a 3-4 team where he can play end or fill a niche roll because he's definitely not an NFL caliber interior dlineman. At best he is trending towards being a specialist. Because he was sold as a poor man's Aaron Donald. And instead he just plays like a 280-pound defensive tackle who gets bulldozed. Good for a mop up sack here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Classic over reaction. Never heard of the guy and he played. I remember a play he did something so he must be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Zimmer got blown up on one play, but other than that I was impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Victory Formation said: Zimmer got blown up on one play, but other than that I was impressed. my definition of one is a off by quite a bit from yours after looking at the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ILBillsfan said: my definition of one is a off by quite a bit from yours after looking at the film Well, I only caught one play where he got blown up so I can’t comment further.. I thought he was pretty solid compared to the rest of the DL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Victory Formation said: Well, I only caught one play where he got blown up so I can’t comment further.. I thought he was pretty solid compared to the rest of the DL.. Thats the problem a guy makes a tfl in the 4th quarter(almost the strip too) and is suddenly like the rest of the game didn't happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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