Mr. WEO Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tierlifer said: If they have the technology to tell when a tennis ball going 110+mph is in our out, they can certainly do what you just proposed. How many kickers have needed this tech from week 1 of their careers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 It wouldn’t have been an issue had it been a better kick. However, I’m sure this is discussed at the rules meeting at the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I love how they had a camera view from behind the goalposts for every other kick but the questionable one. The behind the goalpost view would be a lot more clear than the angles shown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I’m glad we didn’t lose a playoff game by one point on that call. The board would crash, the city would be burned, the Falls would freeze over in summer and wings would be banned forever after Ranch became the dip of choice. We won the game, I’ll gladly move on and be happy. Maybe we get a crazy call next time. They tend to even out in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) Can’t they just use these at the top of the goal posts? Edited September 16, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickrage Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Goalposts should be no different than the goalline/pilon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Pic or it didn’t happen seriously. w/o a picture of it over and inside the GP there is no refutable evidence. the eh hem ref was under the GP was he directly under, off to the right or left we won’t know. Missin my point. He CANT know, he has no angle. To ask a ref to judge depth looking straight up? We tried it at Victor H.S. football field, you can tell on some easy, (we used tennis balls) but some you cant at all. If the dogs didnt keep stealing the balls it wldve gone smoother, so dont bring your mutt. 8 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m glad we didn’t lose a playoff game by one point on that call. The board would crash, the city would be burned, the Falls would freeze over in summer and wings would be banned forever after Ranch became the dip of choice. We won the game, I’ll gladly move on and be happy. Maybe we get a crazy call next time. They tend to even out in the long run. Im happy we won too, just pointing out something fixable that could be another egg on the face of the league down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: If they can put a camera in an end zone pylon, they can put one on each upright. Or frickin' laser beams. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Stop---it was clearly over the uprights. So this line of argument is completely without merit. No it wasnt clearly over the uprights. It would have hit the net much higher. 1 hour ago, Big C said: Alternatively, kick the ball down the middle on a routine 38 yard attempt. Or just go for 2 every time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: Missin my point. He CANT know, he has no angle. To ask a ref to judge depth looking straight up? We tried it at Victor H.S. football field, you can tell on some easy, (we used tennis balls) but some you cant at all. If the dogs didnt keep stealing the balls it wldve gone smoother, so dont bring your mutt. Im happy we won too, just pointing out something fixable that could be another egg on the face of the league down the road. I fully agree that there has to be some better technology to determine if a kick is good. I was all over that after that sketchy call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said: A laser beam that blows up the football if it crosses its path. good entertainment Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Can we color the picture in four colors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 The refs are by far the worst thing about the NFL. Just when you think they can’t be more incompetent, they stun you. Calling a made FG no good. Inexcusable. Every play needs to be reviewable because these guys can’t handle the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 This thing never seems to really happen. The refs seem to always get it right, and in that case why change the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 It baffles me that they just don't extend the goalposts another 10 ft or so make the refs job so much easier. Also that officiating crew was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Aaaaaaaaaaand.. the kick is GOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 It looked to me that the goal posts, particularly the one on the right, were not perfectly vertical. They both bent to the right, looking at them from the field. Unless it's possible to ensure the goal posts are perfectly vertical, putting a camera (or laser beam) on the top won't really tell whether it was where it should be. Or, maybe, make the goal posts flexible and let them sway in the wind. Get inside the heads of those kickers, who will have to hit a moving target. Quarterbacks do it, so why not kickers? That would REALLY make extra points interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 or Bass could just kick the ball between the uprights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I mean it certainly LOOKED like the ball was past the goalpost when it drifted to the right based on what you saw but all we had was the long view camera to look at and the behind view and neither was conclusive. The refs are standing under the goalposts with the best view. That being said why isn't there a crossbar cam?? Seems very simple to implement and would give a great view to the officials and replay booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Da webster guy said: No it wasnt clearly over the uprights. It would have hit the net much higher. Or just go for 2 every time. 9 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Missin my point. He CANT know, he has no angle. To ask a ref to judge depth looking straight up? We tried it at Victor H.S. football field, you can tell on some easy, (we used tennis balls) but some you cant at all. If the dogs didnt keep stealing the balls it wldve gone smoother, so dont bring your mutt. Im happy we won too, just pointing out something fixable that could be another egg on the face of the league down the road. Wait so in statement #1 are you implying the the kick was low enough and went between the goalposts and the refs missed it? The kick was definitely higher than the goalposts and therefore clearly over the uprights - which is the phrasing for a kick that is higher than the top of the goalposts. I do not understand you angle point - as literally standing under the goalpost and looking up is the only vantage point to be able to judge that. Any other spot on the field and you have to deal with angles to try and decide. The ref looking straight up is equivalent to putting the laser/camera on the top or trying to extend the posts 10 more feet up, but without dealing with sway of the post. I will not say the ref did not miss it - since we have seen it before, but literally there was only 1 person that should of had the perfect angle to see the ball right as it got to the goal post and that was the ref that called it no good. Everything else as both the announcer and the booth ref said were speculation because we can not tell the exact moment it got to the end line. It does not mean that the ref did not blow the call as that happens and it does not mean the NFL cannot do better on this, but I have not seen one shot that shows the kick was good. I have seen a lot of shots showing that at a point around the post it was good and at some point right around there it starts to veer right very quickly. The issue is at the exact point it crosses the goal line we can not tell from any of the camera angles I have seen. Edited September 16, 2020 by Rochesterfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Missin my point. He CANT know, he has no angle. To ask a ref to judge depth looking straight up? If the Ref is standing to the rear and just outside of the goalpost and looks up, then he can see if the ball was to the inside or not. take this scenario - IF the ball was not directly over the post - if it was not fully inside the GP it would have hit the post . Which way would it bounce? Left, Right or backwards. So we are back to His assumption. Don't get me wrong. I think it was a questionable call and would have loved to see it reviewed, but w/o a proper picture at that precise moment it is all up for conjecture 4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Aaaaaaaaaaand.. the kick is GOOD! where is the proof? see above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 'Bass' first kick, the NFL needs to act.' * I'm hoping they attempt 'Macbeth'. More than likely, we'll get 'A Chorus Line'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: 'Bass' first kick, the NFL needs to act.' * I'm hoping they attempt 'Macbeth'. More than likely, we'll get 'A Chorus Line'. too early, Ridge. let me have my coffee first. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 If it was obviously good there would be a pic floating around of the exact moment the ball goes "thru" the uprights. I haven't seen it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBillsFan Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Maybe a fan has a clear video from watching the game from the stands. Oh wait........ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gianelli Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I know right?? $2 solution to a million dollar problem. And no more stupid goal line “did he get in??” reviews. This is actually a serious question. Where and how many microchips would you need in each ball? This would be a no-brainer solution if you're talking about a basketball or baseball, where one chip in the dead center of the ball would be all you'd need. But a football's shape could present a challenge. Even if you put a chip at both tips of the ball, what if the ball is being held sideways in such a way that the part near the laces crosses the plane, but neither tip does. You'd probably need a belt of microchips inside the ball to make that work. So maybe $200 per ball? It's just to say that even with the technology available, it might not be as easy as it sounds for football. Here's the fun part. You know the Patriots would install some kind of cloaking device in the ball their opponents were using to refute that it actually crossed the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, John Gianelli said: This is actually a serious question. Where and how many microchips would you need in each ball? This would be a no-brainer solution if you're talking about a basketball or baseball, where one chip in the dead center of the ball would be all you'd need. But a football's shape could present a challenge. Even if you put a chip at both tips of the ball, what if the ball is being held sideways in such a way that the part near the laces crosses the plane, but neither tip does. You'd probably need a belt of microchips inside the ball to make that work. So maybe $200 per ball? It's just to say that even with the technology available, it might not be as easy as it sounds for football. Here's the fun part. You know the Patriots would install some kind of cloaking device in the ball their opponents were using to refute that it actually crossed the plane. High end positioning chips know orientation, elevation, etc. as a result, knowing the placement within the ball and some simple math, you’d always know ball location and orientation within some small margin. I mean maybe it’s an $8 chip but still. best part is in looking this up I learned they already put chips in player shoulder pads and the footballs for next gen stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I swore it was good when i first watched it, and was surprised as hell refs say no good idk how you miss that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, 716er said: If it was obviously good there would be a pic floating around of the exact moment the ball goes "thru" the uprights. I haven't seen it yet. There are only 2 cameras that might have captured it: the crossbar cam and the overhead "all-22" cam. The NFL controls both and have no reason to release the footage in order to point out a mistake by one of their refs. Edited September 16, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, John Gianelli said: Here's the fun part. You know the Patriots would install some kind of cloaking device in the ball their opponents were using to refute that it actually crossed the plane. In light of your scurrilous accusation, the league has awarded a compensatory conditional draft pick to the New England Patriots. Now, let's see who's paying attention. 😁 *🛑🚓👮🏿 Not funny! 15 minutes ago, Doc said: There are only 2 cameras that would have captured it: the crossbar cam and the overhead "all-22" cam. The NFL controls both and have no reason to release the footage in order to point out a mistake by one of their refs. A conspiracy of silence speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just got ahead and put a crossbar on top. Get it through the box and your points will be added to the total. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 It seemed like it was above the upright to me, but at any rate, just based on the sheer physics of the kick, there's no way that it was wide right. The angle and speed that the ball was traveling in makes it impossible for the ball to have hit the net where it did without having been between the uprights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Bass needs to act on righting his kick so that the football travels through the center of the uprights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) We may get to see a 45-50 plus yard att soon. I'm curious to see if he is a little better at the longer FGs. We know he has the leg. Edited September 16, 2020 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: High end positioning chips know orientation, elevation, etc. as a result, knowing the placement within the ball and some simple math, you’d always know ball location and orientation within some small margin. I mean maybe it’s an $8 chip but still. best part is in looking this up I learned they already put chips in player shoulder pads and the footballs for next gen stats. The issue is the power supply, not the chip. Plus, the balls would have to be charged up. I can see it now... "The game is delayed while we charge the footballs." And, rain and snow would affect the electronics causing false readings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: The issue is the power supply, not the chip. Plus, the balls would have to be charged up. I can see it now... "The game is delayed while we charge the footballs." And, rain and snow would affect the electronics causing false readings. you missed my last part. They have chipped the balls and player pads for 3 years now at least. my guess is they don’t see the effort for ball positioning as a priority because pursuing and perfecting the technology doesn’t generate any new revenue. Plus reviews can add suspense around commercial breaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 41 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Bass needs to act on righting his kick so that the football travels through the center of the uprights. That would be ideal, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 For comparison, 19 NINETEEN Field Goals were missed on Opening weekend.😲 Cut the kid some slack. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: A laser beam that blows up the football if it crosses its path. good entertainment I hate to ruin this but no more TD passes? 🙃 3 hours ago, Doc said: There are only 2 cameras that might have captured it: the crossbar cam and the overhead "all-22" cam. The NFL controls both and have no reason to release the footage in order to point out a mistake by one of their refs. Whatever you do, do not google ‘was bills kick wide right’ for videos.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: For comparison, 19 NINETEEN Field Goals were missed on Opening weekend.😲 Cut the kid some slack. And Bass accounted for more than 10% of the missed kicks week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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