RoyBatty is alive Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 6:56 PM, Jauronimo said: So you admit that there is no camera angle which definitively proves the ball above the upright but you clearly saw the ball pass between the uprights by several feet? Who is uncertain on whether a kick can be reviewed? You can throw the challenge flag on an non-reviewable play and nothing happens. He missed the kick. Get a grip. LOL. I agree,get a grip. you cant tell from the camera angles which is exactly WHY the refs are positioned where they are, the refs have the best view of anyone.....except for of course disgruntled Bill fans for meaningless points in a game the blew out their opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Definitely not easiest solution. The easiest solution is adding a camera above the goal posts. I think it would be difficult to keep the camera pointed directly up. Too easy for it to get jostled when the posts are raised and subsequently by the wind and balls hitting the uprights. There’s also the problem of the posts not pointing exactly upwards in the wind. The cameras would have to be set prior to raising the uprights and they’d be out of whack by the time they were raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, BarleyNY said: I think it would be difficult to keep the camera pointed directly up. Too easy for it to get jostled when the posts are raised and subsequently by the wind and balls hitting the uprights. There’s also the problem of the posts not pointing exactly upwards in the wind. The cameras would have to be set prior to raising the uprights and they’d be out of whack by the time they were raised. Exactly. The top of the uprights sway easily in the wind so any camera or laser would not stay pointed 90 degrees to the ground. The easiest solution is to affix the camera or a friggin laser beam to the officials head who then stands directly under the upright and hope he doesn't blow over. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, BarleyNY said: I think it would be difficult to keep the camera pointed directly up. Too easy for it to get jostled when the posts are raised and subsequently by the wind and balls hitting the uprights. There’s also the problem of the posts not pointing exactly upwards in the wind. The cameras would have to be set prior to raising the uprights and they’d be out of whack by the time they were raised. Not connected to the goal posts. Having one above it like the Madden view. Like this but behind the goal posts like connected in the upper deck. Maybe it could work? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 6:30 PM, Mr. WEO said: Wouldn't help much as most controversies are surrounding whether player was down before the ball broke the plane. Chips can't decide. Why not? If you had a timestamp of when it broke the plane, they could watch the replay determine when the knee was down and have an icon that lights up when the ball is across the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Exactly. The top of the uprights sway easily in the wind so any camera or laser would not stay pointed 90 degrees to the ground. The easiest solution is to affix the camera or a friggin laser beam to the officials head who then stands directly under the upright and hope he doesn't blow over. But the sway of the bars is accounted in whether or not the kick goes through... If they miss a kick and say "but the bars were swaying 3 inches to the left" it's too bad- it has to go through the bars. So if you affix a laser to the end of the bars pointing up, you have a continuation of the bars and if it sways you still have to go between the lasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 For each game the NFL needs to launch 2 geosynchronous low orbit satellites who can independently track flight path of each kick, then put a few Cal-Tech and MIT postdocs on retainer to calculate trajectories and relay good/no good info to refs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Why not? If you had a timestamp of when it broke the plane, they could watch the replay determine when the knee was down and have an icon that lights up when the ball is across the plane. I would bet almost every time they can’t tell if a ball crossed the plane it’s because the hall carrier is so obscured that they can also not see if/where he was down first 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 The technology is there. If soccer is able to determine if a ball crossed the line we can determine if a ball went in between the uprights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 22 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: I know of only 2 posters who's TVs showed them that... They say that the eyes are the 2nd thing to go. Sometimes the 3rd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: For each game the NFL needs to launch 2 geosynchronous low orbit satellites who can independently track flight path of each kick, then put a few Cal-Tech and MIT postdocs on retainer to calculate trajectories and relay good/no good info to refs Borderline idiotic debate over meaningless points in a Bills blowout but because of this TRAVESTY and INJUSTICE we Are going to over-engineer and make it fool proof...just like what a "catch" is now in the NFL. Lets get a list of ALL the contested games that a situation like this was at debate and material to the score. It will be a very very short list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: What? Are FGs now having to go the the square? No, also because it would make the bars very heavy and likely unstable. Get out the old 2 legged ones Roy, three if it goes through the square and one through the bottom square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Mike in Horseheads said: Get out the old 2 legged ones Roy, three if it goes through the square and one through the bottom square. So again if you kick the ball TOO STRONG and it goes over the uprights is is no good....defeats the original purpose of what a field goal was about. Lets just call it "target" kicking going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, bobobonators said: The technology is there. If soccer is able to determine if a ball crossed the line we can determine if a ball went in between the uprights you can send a man to the moon.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, nucci said: you can send a man to the moon.... That allegedly also has some NFL-type edits in it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: So again if you kick the ball TOO STRONG and it goes over the uprights is is no good....defeats the original purpose of what a field goal was about. Lets just call it "target" kicking going forward. 2 pts for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Why would they remove it and replace it with a made kick??!! I’m so confused. Whoever made that decision should be fired. That’s just ridiculously shady. Show it, admit error, move on 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Borderline idiotic debate over meaningless points in a Bills blowout but because of this TRAVESTY and INJUSTICE we Are going to over-engineer and make it fool proof...just like what a "catch" is now in the NFL. Lets get a list of ALL the contested games that a situation like this was at debate and material to the score. It will be a very very short list. Meaningless until we have Wide Right Part Deuce in the ****ing Super Bowl and we have Jimmy Spags up our @$$ for the next 20 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gianelli Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, bobobonators said: The technology is there. If soccer is able to determine if a ball crossed the line we can determine if a ball went in between the uprights As I mentioned a few pages ago, it's a little easier with a round ball. You just put the sensor in the middle. With a football you need more advanced technology to compensate for the fact that a sensor in the middle would not be equidistant from all surfaces of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Meaningless until we have Wide Right Part Deuce in the ****ing Super Bowl and we have Jimmy Spags up our @$$ for the next 20 years... Our Super Bowl wide right had zero to do with the goal; post. Can you cite ONE NFL game that an over the top Field goal was so close that it might have decided the game? I will wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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