LabattBlue Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 According to todays BN Bills Preview section, only two Bills remain from 2016 or earlier... 2013 Jerry Hughes 2016 Reid Ferguson Hard to believe the rest of the roster has been kicked to the curb, and made into a competitive team in 3 years 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Would be interesting to see roster turnover over a 3 year period for every 3 year period for the last 20 years. Team turnover is likely greater than you think, though I admit only 2 remaining is not much. It's like our Super Bowl teams. I always think of them being pretty much the same bunch of guys over those 4 years. Not true at all. There were a ton of changes all over the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: According to todays BN Bills Preview section, only two Bills remain from 2016 or earlier... 2013 Jerry Hughes 2016 Reid Ferguson Hard to believe the rest of the roster has been kicked to the curb, and made into a competitive team in 3 years They say the NFL rules allow this to happen more than in any other sport. quick turnarounds often happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 With the average career only lasting a few years I’m not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: According to todays BN Bills Preview section, only two Bills remain from 2016 or earlier... 2013 Jerry Hughes 2016 Reid Ferguson Hard to believe the rest of the roster has been kicked to the curb, and made into a competitive team in 3 years the true definition of a rebuild 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: According to todays BN Bills Preview section, only two Bills remain from 2016 or earlier... 2013 Jerry Hughes 2016 Reid Ferguson Hard to believe the rest of the roster has been kicked to the curb, and made into a competitive team in 3 years It was amazing they made the playoffs that first year after the moves they made prior to the season had everyone convinced they were tanking. Year 2 they had to pay the piper with $70M in dead cap, plus the loss of their 2 best OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Well the average is what 25-30% turnover a year so not that surprising if you think about what was said in the $70 mil. Dead cap, and rebuild. Im always a guy glass half empty so these extensions are showing things are changing. Great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Sorry half full. I was distracted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 58 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: the true definition of a rebuild Good teams do this and do it with drafting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 How many guys from that roster are still in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: How many guys from that roster are still in the league? I volunteer @Gugny to look this up. Quickly please and thank you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I wonder what the average for players on roster from 2016 is in the NFL? With how steep roster turnover and injuries are. I would expect the average to be maybe 8 or 9? 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Would be interesting to see roster turnover over a 3 year period for every 3 year period for the last 20 years. Team turnover is likely greater than you think, though I admit only 2 remaining is not much. It's like our Super Bowl teams. I always think of them being pretty much the same bunch of guys over those 4 years. Not true at all. There were a ton of changes all over the lineup. I would suspect a team like the Steelers that has had the same coach long before 2016 would probably only have about 10ish players from 2016 and that would probably be near the top of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, LabattBlue said: According to todays BN Bills Preview section, only two Bills remain from 2016 or earlier... 2013 Jerry Hughes 2016 Reid Ferguson Hard to believe the rest of the roster has been kicked to the curb, and made into a competitive team in 3 years I was watching panthers bills game on replay last month and saw more current bills on panthers team than bills team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: How many guys from that roster are still in the league? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016_roster.htm Quite a few of the starters are still around. Tyrod LeSean O'Leary Goodwin Robert woods Watkins Glenn Cog Miller Dareus Hughes Preston Brown Darby Gilmore Lawson Robey Coleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: According to todays BN Bills Preview section, only two Bills remain from 2016 or earlier... 2013 Jerry Hughes 2016 Reid Ferguson Hard to believe the rest of the roster has been kicked to the curb, and made into a competitive team in 3 years I’d bet very few teams have more than 5-10 players from 2016 honestly. nfl rosters turn over a ton in 4 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016_roster.htm Quite a few of the starters are still around. Tyrod LeSean O'Leary Goodwin Robert woods Watkins Glenn Cog Miller Dareus Hughes Preston Brown Darby Gilmore Lawson Robey Coleman Thanks for this list. That shows how much difference coaching makes. That's a lot of talent. As others have said around here, McDermott inherited a pretty good team - dysfunctional, but good players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/football/article-in-the-younger-cheaper-nfl-even-super-bowl-champs-face-inevitable/ “An Associated Press analysis of Super Bowl champions over the past seven years revealed that title teams shed an average of 20.4 players off their 53-man rosters from the Super Bowl to Week 1 of the next season. That’s 38.5 percent.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2016 Bills players still on NFL teams Taylor McCoy Jonathan Williams Watkins Woods Goodwin O’Leary Miller Incognito Groy McCray Gilmore Darby Robey-Coleman so 14 players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Would be interesting to see roster turnover over a 3 year period for every 3 year period for the last 20 years. Team turnover is likely greater than you think, though I admit only 2 remaining is not much. It's like our Super Bowl teams. I always think of them being pretty much the same bunch of guys over those 4 years. Not true at all. There were a ton of changes all over the lineup. Well each team drafts 6-7 guys per year and usually keeps most on the roster but not all, add an UDFA or two, and 5-8 free agency changes I think it would add up pretty quick. That's 12-16 per year x 3 years or 36-48 players per team. Just a rough guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 A few of them were from retirees, though. Kyle Williams, Eric Wood, and Lorenzo Alexander. 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Well each team drafts 6-7 guys per year and usually keeps most on the roster but not all, add an UDFA or two, and 5-8 free agency changes I think it would add up pretty quick. That's 12-16 per year x 3 years or 36-48 players per team. Just a rough guess But they usually have a handful of franchise regulars who stick with the team a long time on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: A few of them were from retirees, though. Kyle Williams, Eric Wood, and Lorenzo Alexander. But they usually have a handful of franchise regulars who stick with the team a long time on both sides of the ball. Good point. If they had a franchise QB that would be one. If this was 2018 we would say Kyle is that guy. Hopefully in 2022 we will be saying Allen, Edmunds, and White are those core guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I remember how butt hurt some fans were when McDermott and Beane parted ways with Sammy Watkins and Marcel Dareus in their first year here...I love the way they revamped this roster with guys who love the game and have football character(I know, I know cliche lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: I volunteer @Gugny to look this up. Quickly please and thank you. Gugs is having a slow night so don’t forget the practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said: I remember how butt hurt some fans were when McDermott and Beane parted ways with Sammy Watkins and Marcel Dareus in their first year here...I love the way they revamped this roster with guys who love the game and have football character(I know, I know cliche lol) Huh. I remember people being ecstatic about Dareus. By that time Watkins had a lot of detractors because he could never stay healthy, but yeah there was some fans unhappy with that trade. The trade people were REALLY unhappy with at first was Alonso for McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 hours ago, LabattBlue said: According to todays BN Bills Preview section, only two Bills remain from 2016 or earlier... 2013 Jerry Hughes 2016 Reid Ferguson Hard to believe the rest of the roster has been kicked to the curb, and made into a competitive team in 3 years The glass is a dribble one and the roster dribbled away. @ScottLaw was right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Would be interesting to see roster turnover over a 3 year period for every 3 year period for the last 20 years. Team turnover is likely greater than you think, though I admit only 2 remaining is not much. It's like our Super Bowl teams. I always think of them being pretty much the same bunch of guys over those 4 years. Not true at all. There were a ton of changes all over the lineup. In modern football it is eith 4 yrs to UFA. P,Ayers drsfted 2018 and earlier are UFAs. if you add to it coach and gm stability and fo good drafting and resigning players draft you will likely have 8 ordo core players on the roster for more than 4 yrs. Thrn you will add UFAs to the team for vet depth. also look at the measure of median nfl experience on the teams full 53 man and their top 35 players which is your regularly used offense and defense players. qb, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 1 extra rb/wr/te 7 OL 11 DL/LB, 6 DBs., K, P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016_roster.htm Quite a few of the starters are still around. Tyrod Goodwin Robert woods Watkins Darby Gilmore Lawson Ones that are starting or making a difference. Woods and Gilmore didn't want to sign a new contract here. Watkins, Tyrod and Darby were traded for draft picks Lawson - not given a FA contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016_roster.htm Quite a few of the starters are still around. Tyrod LeSean O'Leary Goodwin Robert woods Watkins Glenn Cog Miller Dareus Hughes Preston Brown Darby Gilmore Lawson Robey Coleman Seems to me there must be one of the many Williams' we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: They say the NFL rules allow this to happen more than in any other sport. quick turnarounds often happen. this is true. and makes the 17 year drought that more frustrating. And our lack of SB victory just as annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: this is true. and makes the 17 year drought that more frustrating. And our lack of SB victory just as annoying. Also why a little cap pinch down the line is well worth a ring this year or next. we are rebuilding this again shortly anyway. Don’t shy away from maximizing the opportunity now because of a possible year transition later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Lol. I like to think i follow the Bills pretty closely, but this is the first time i recall hearing the name Reid Ferguson. Guess I've been living under a rock when it comes to our special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Lol. I like to think i follow the Bills pretty closely, but this is the first time i recall hearing the name Reid Ferguson. Guess I've been living under a rock when it comes to our special teams. Long snappers get notice when (1) they make mistakes and (2) when they make plays other than their regular job such as recovering a football or tackling someone on opposite team who return a missed FG. He is solid but not spectacular. He has never missed a game. He has been involved in a few tackles. Game Tack Tack Tack Year Age Tm No. G Sk Comb Solo Ast AV Care Care 48 0.0 5 3 2 4 2017 23 BUF 69 16 0.0 1 0 1 2 2018 24 BUF 69 16 0.0 3 2 1 1 2019 25 BUF 69 16 0.0 1 1 0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzfan37 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 hours ago, fansince88 said: Seems to me there must be one of the many Williams' we had. one retired (Kyle Williams) one injured - thanks Jarvis Landry (Aaron Williams) and one left (Mario Williams). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So I guess this can be pointed out to the Twitter idiots who love to go "hurr hurr Bills suck they didn't make the playoffs for so long". Yeah, and literally only ONE actual player who knows those years is still on the team since we got new coaching/management and started making the playoffs again. Might be related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 wait....what happened to garrison sanborn ??....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: I remember how butt hurt some fans were when McDermott and Beane parted ways with Sammy Watkins and Marcel Dareus in their first year here...I love the way they revamped this roster with guys who love the game and have football character(I know, I know cliche lol) Dareus really wasn't controversial. Getting rid of Watkins and Darby caught people off guard and we knew there was a new sheriff in town. The fact that we made the playoffs that year under McDermott despite losing them just shows you how awful the Rex hiring was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Jauronimo said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2016_roster.htm Quite a few of the starters are still around. Tyrod LeSean O'Leary Goodwin Robert woods Watkins Glenn Cog Miller Dareus Hughes Preston Brown Darby Gilmore Lawson Robey Coleman What about Leger Douzable? Wish we still had him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I think I read somewhere that Von Miller is the last player from Broncos 2016 SB roster still on the team. So if he misses whole season Broncos won't have a single player from SB team after just 5 seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 11 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: I remember how butt hurt some fans were when McDermott and Beane parted ways with Sammy Watkins and Marcel Dareus in their first year here...I love the way they revamped this roster with guys who love the game and have football character(I know, I know cliche lol) Sammy Watkins was the Chiefs leading receiver last post season. Even wilder, he Just turned 27. 6 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I think I read somewhere that Von Miller is the last player from Broncos 2016 SB roster still on the team. So if he misses whole season Broncos won't have a single player from SB team after just 5 seasons. Not For Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) Of all the guys pre-2016 the one I’ll always regret losing is Bobby Woods. What a consummate pro and really good receiver. In retrospect the Bills were such a mess and he wanted to go home to LA, but in today’s Bills’ culture he would be an unbelievably good fit. Aside from that, I’m a forward-thinking guy and I’m ready for a dominant era of Bills football. Edited September 10, 2020 by eball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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