What Trade Was Better?

[Rico]

36 minutes ago, jwhit34 said:

Of those 2 I picked the Hughes trade. 

 

I don't think anyone mentioned Cousineau for a 1st that turned into Jim Kelly.

 

The other trades way back that were brought up were really good too. 

 

If they would have kept him longer, the Rashad for Dennis Shaw trade would be way up there. 

The Frank Lewis for a broken down Paul Seymour is a very underrated deal.

Even though the 5 picks didn't pan out that great, getting that kind of haul for OJ was really good.

 

Loved the Bennett trade and it was the right move but not a lopsided deal. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn’t too sure on the Bennett trade until I saw him on the field, wow!

[Don Otreply]

Both were good trades, but getting Jerry for Shep was a top notch. 

[Steve Billieve]

Kiko for Shady with Shady immediately wanting a massive new contract is nothing to write home about.  Half of Beans trades are as good.

[KD in CA]

7 hours ago, FireChans said:

Sheppard was out of the league in a blink and Hughes is still contributing for us 7 years later. Alonso is still in the league and Shady fell off after 2 years and was cut after 3.

 

No brainer to pick the Hughes trade.

 

Shady had 3 good years and then fell off in year 4 and was cut.

 

But regardless, Hughes for 7 years makes that trade the clear winner.

[njbuff]

8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

31 year old O.J. for five draft picks

 

What exactly did they get for OJ?

 

I can't find that information for whatever reason.

[Alphadawg7]

Trade for Hughes is by far the best trade, its not even close really.  Talking about trading a scrub for a guy who became a really good DE and and a staple of our team.  

 

McCoy trade was for Alonzo, a guy who was already a pretty good player with tons of upside.  He went on to have a good (yet dirty lol) career in the league.  So this trade wasn't nearly as lopsided, and we also got a lot more value out of Hughes IMO than McCoy in terms of longevity, contract value, etc.  

[RangerDave]

8 hours ago, Rico said:

Paul Seymour for Frank Lewis was another good one.

Since Seymour failed his physical for the Steelers and was returned to the Bills, we got Frank Lewis for nothing.  And then Lewis went to the Pro Bowl a couple of years later.  How can anything top that?

[billsfan89]

Shady gave the Bills 3 good to very good seasons while Kiko went on to have a middling career as a mid-level starting caliber LB for Miami. Whereas Hughes has given the Bills a lot of highly productive seasons for the Bills (and is still a starting caliber DE) while Sheppard went onto have a fairly nothing career. 

[Happy]

Sheppard for Hughes trade.  Hughes is still here and has had a very good career as a Bill.  Indy was completely fleeced by Whaley.

[Rico]

24 minutes ago, Happy said:

Sheppard for Hughes trade.  Hughes is still here and has had a very good career as a Bill.  Indy was completely fleeced by Whaley.

Fleeced by Nix.

 

[Guffalo]

9 hours ago, nucci said:

I think the trade for Bennett has to be up there

Before reading the two options given, that one came to mind. It solidified that defense for the run to 4 straight.

[KD in CA]

45 minutes ago, Rico said:

Fleeced by Nix.

 

 

That was no fun....everyone was right about the trade!

[Rico]

1 minute ago, KD in CA said:

 

That was no fun....everyone was right about the trade!

Except for the revisionists who keep trying to say Whaley made it, they are still wrong.

[JoPoy88]

11 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

Maybe the 2 best trades in franchise history, here they are:

 

Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes 

 

                      or 

 

Kiko Alonso for LeSean McCoy

 

Personally I think the McCoy trade was a little better because we was at the time the best running back in the league and he had some very productive years including helping break the playoff drought and he was pretty much the whole offense. But the Hughes trade has been great too, He also gets credit for breaking the playoff drought and he has been very productive and is still on the team. 

 

What are your guys thoughts? 

I’ll go with recency bias alex and say stefon diggs for whatever. What is stefon diggs for lottery tickets.

[Doc]

Loved the McCoy for Alonso trade but it's far and away the Sheppard for Hughes trade.  Sheppard was a scrub while Hughes has been with the Bills for 7 years and has 46.5 sacks.

Edited June 19, 2020 by Doc

[Buffalo716]

12 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I think Shepherd and Hughes is better because we traded someone who was out of the league quickly for a long time above average player for us. 
 

That being said, the argument for the Alonso McCoy trade makes sense just because it was less about the luck of the draw. We obviously got someone who we saw something in with Hughes, but so much of that is the little unpredictable things that cause someone to turn their career around. It just as easily could have gone the other way with Shepherd becoming the stud and Hughes being nobody. 
With McCoy, there was no doubt we were getting an amazing player for a moderately good player. So that was a coup. 

Shepherd actually played like six more seasons after the trade

[NoSaint]

Alonso was much better than shepherd. 
 

hughes and McCoy both ended up very good. Hughes for longer and at a more premium position. 
 

knowing we got Hughes for cheaper that trades a bigger win 

[Orlando Tim]

At the time of each trade I thought the McCoy trade was out of this world while at the time I did not care about Hughes for Sheppard, but the difference in benefit to team is clearly Hughes. Best trade though is Buffalo sports history though is the one that brought Dominic to Buffalo Sabres.

[Shaw66]

Gotta be Hughes.  

 

As a measure of pure talent, Shady for Alonso was a steal.  Shady's a near-Hall-of-Famer and Alonso is just another backer.  So in talent differential, Shady's deal wins.   

 

But in terms of value to the team, the Hughes deal gave up very little and fixed the DE spot for a lot of years.  Heck, Jerry could have three more solid years in him.  He isn't going to the Hall of Fame, but he is a fixture on the line and one of the keys to McDermott's defense.  

 

Gotta go with Jerry, even though I love Shady.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

14 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

Maybe the 2 best trades in franchise history, here they are:

 

Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes 

 

                      or 

 

Kiko Alonso for LeSean McCoy

 

Personally I think the McCoy trade was a little better because we was at the time the best running back in the league and he had some very productive years including helping break the playoff drought and he was pretty much the whole offense. But the Hughes trade has been great too, He also gets credit for breaking the playoff drought and he has been very productive and is still on the team. 

 

What are your guys thoughts? 

 

the best trade in team history was for Cornelius Bennett.

 

 

[jwhit34]

5 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

What exactly did they get for OJ?

 

I can't find that information for whatever reason.

 

First round pick in '79 which they used on Tom Cousineau. He was eventually traded for a first which turned into Jim Kelly

2nd round pick in '78 - Scott Hutchinson

3rd round pick in '78 - Danny Fulton

2nd round pick in '80 - Joe Cribbs

4th round pick in '79  - Ken Johnson

 

 

 

[Happy]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Except for the revisionists who keep trying to say Whaley made it, they are still wrong.

 

Nope.  Whaley was the acting GM at the time.  Nix was in process of stepping down.

[Rico]

20 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Nope.  Whaley was the acting GM at the time.  Nix was in process of stepping down.

You need to read that thread.

[MJS]

McCoy was elite. He also had a couple of elite years here.

 

Hughes has never been elite. Solid player and a good contributor, but he isn't as good of a player as McCoy was.

 

So for that reason I'm going with the McCoy trade. Both are excellent trades, though.

[BobbyC81]

16 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I think Shepherd and Hughes is better because we traded someone who was out of the league quickly for a long time above average player for us. 
 

That being said, the argument for the Alonso McCoy trade makes sense just because it was less about the luck of the draw. We obviously got someone who we saw something in with Hughes, but so much of that is the little unpredictable things that cause someone to turn their career around. It just as easily could have gone the other way with Shepherd becoming the stud and Hughes being nobody. 
With McCoy, there was no doubt we were getting an amazing player for a moderately good player. So that was a coup. 

Yeah, 106 NFL games for Sheppard is “out of the league quickly”?

[njbuff]

4 hours ago, jwhit34 said:

 

First round pick in '79 which they used on Tom Cousineau. He was eventually traded for a first which turned into Jim Kelly

2nd round pick in '78 - Scott Hutchinson

3rd round pick in '78 - Danny Fulton

2nd round pick in '80 - Joe Cribbs

4th round pick in '79  - Ken Johnson

 

 

 

 

Thanks.

 

Good thing the Bills got that trade in before Bill Walsh took over.

2 hours ago, MJS said:

McCoy was elite. He also had a couple of elite years here.

 

Hughes has never been elite. Solid player and a good contributor, but he isn't as good of a player as McCoy was.

 

So for that reason I'm going with the McCoy trade. Both are excellent trades, though.

 

I agree with everything you said, but Sheppard was a non-existent player in the NFL and Alonso has at least contributed in the NFL.

 

That's the Hughes trade is the winner in my book.

[Utah John]

I went with the Hughes trade because McCoy, though still very very good, was also very very expensive, and at the time the Bills were in bad salary cap shape. 

[wppete]

Jerry Hughes hands down! That was theft by the Bills! Jerry Hughes is one my my favourite Bills of all time. Love the way he plays, full blast at all times and with aggression, anger and phenomenal technique. The Person Foul Penalties a few years ago were a little too much but he has really calmed down on the penalties and has become a real threat on the Dline. have a feeling he will tear ti up this year.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

hands down 

 

Sheppard/Hughes Trade

Player value and performance it is all Hughes 

[SteveFreeman22]

On 6/18/2020 at 9:20 AM, Gugny said:

I think it's McCoy for Alonso.  Alonso sucked as a Bill and he has sucked in Miami.  Plus he's a dirty piece of *****.

 

I'll also add getting a 3rd round pick for Tyrod Taylor.  That was absolutely beautiful.

It's Hughes and it's not even close, but Alonso sucked as a Bill? What the hell were you watching? Stick to something else you don't know.

[Gugny]

Just now, SteveFreeman22 said:

It's Hughes and it's not even close, but Alonso sucked as a Bill? What the hell were you watching? Stick to something else you don't know.

 

I watched a consistently over-pursuing and undisciplined football player who somehow stole the hearts of Bills fans.

 

And why are you so angry?  Do you need a hug?

[dpberr]

The Jerry Hughes trade was a great example of excellent pro personnel evaluation by the Bills FO at the time. 

 

The Colts played Hughes out of position. 

 

Hasson Reddick in Arizona is the modern day "Colts era Jerry Hughes".  By the time the Cardinals figure out it's not bad having Reddick being an above average pass rusher, they will try to play him at every position on the defense because "scheme."  

[Mango]

Leseans peak with the Bills is by far much better. But Hughes belongs in the hall of very good in terms of longevity with us and productivity. 

I am going to go Hughes on this one, just because he's been an integral part of our defense for 2 playoff births, and still is heading to 2020. Shady was the best player on the team on either side of the ball. But resulted in one playoff run, and the offense has grown without him. 

Had we kept Shady last year, I would probably vote him. Cutting him was stupid. He very much still had a place on this roster. He might not have done much on a stacked KC roster, but he would have still been our bell cow last season instead of Gore. I would bet my mortgage we would have gotten more production. That whole thing was wild, keep pushing Gore, even though he was toast, use Motor but only in spurts. Cut Shady for now real reason other than not crowding the room. 

 

That is one of the head scratching moves this FO has made that I cannot wrap my head around. 

[Dopey]

On 6/18/2020 at 9:30 AM, Greg S said:

I went with the Hughes trade for the purposes of this poll but the best Bills trade that I remember was the 3-way trade between the Bills-Colts-Rams where the Bills got Bennett. That was a real game changer.

Was going to say the same thing.

[Mr. WEO]

On 6/18/2020 at 9:06 AM, Halloween Land said:

Maybe the 2 best trades in franchise history, here they are:

 

Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes 

 

                      or 

 

Kiko Alonso for LeSean McCoy

 

Personally I think the McCoy trade was a little better because we was at the time the best running back in the league and he had some very productive years including helping break the playoff drought and he was pretty much the whole offense. But the Hughes trade has been great too, He also gets credit for breaking the playoff drought and he has been very productive and is still on the team. 

 

What are your guys thoughts? 

 

No.....

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Hughes was much better trade. Sheppard was really bad, and Hughes has been very solid for us. 
 

kiko was killing bears with his bare hands Here, and yet we trade him for an aging RB and Then extend him— not a super smart move. 

[mannc]

On 6/18/2020 at 11:06 PM, MJS said:

McCoy was elite. He also had a couple of elite years here.

 

Hughes has never been elite. Solid player and a good contributor, but he isn't as good of a player as McCoy was.

 

So for that reason I'm going with the McCoy trade. Both are excellent trades, though.

McCoy had one really good year for the Bills.  And he was an easily replaced RB.   Hughes has been our best pass rusher for seven years in a row, FFS.  He probably will be again in 2020.

[PromoTheRobot]

On 6/18/2020 at 9:06 AM, Halloween Land said:

Maybe the 2 best trades in franchise history, here they are:

 

Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes 

 

                      or 

 

Kiko Alonso for LeSean McCoy

 

Personally I think the McCoy trade was a little better because we was at the time the best running back in the league and he had some very productive years including helping break the playoff drought and he was pretty much the whole offense. But the Hughes trade has been great too, He also gets credit for breaking the playoff drought and he has been very productive and is still on the team. 

 

What are your guys thoughts? 

 

The trade to get Cornelius Bennett wasn't bad either.

[Buffalo716]

On 6/19/2020 at 4:34 AM, njbuff said:

 

Thanks.

 

Good thing the Bills got that trade in before Bill Walsh took over.

 

I agree with everything you said, but Sheppard was a non-existent player in the NFL and Alonso has at least contributed in the NFL.

 

That's the Hughes trade is the winner in my book.

Shepherd honestly only has 80 less solo tackles in his career than Kiko Alonso

 

Both have three sacks

 

Kiko has 10 ints compared to shepherds two or three tho

 

Shepherd wasn't out of the league in one year and he played longer than the average vet

Edited June 20, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Matt_In_NH]

Bennett trade was better than both of these.  But if the two the Hughes trade wins by a lot.   The mccoy trade was not all that one sided at all.  I know people will disagree but it’s true.