billsbackto81 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Chemical said: but you draft one in the top ten? Who did we draft that's making 17 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, ngbills said: Last season Seattle was 12-6 in a season Clowney dealt with injuries. In games he played 75% of the snaps they were 6-1 including 3 wins vs playoff teams. Remember when Matt Cassels Patriots went 11-5. Wins are the stupidest thing to use when assessing any players value(even QB) Football is a team game and takes much more then 1 player. Wins should only be used to judge coaches. Edited June 2, 2020 by MrSarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 11:00 AM, ngbills said: Exactly. Bring him to BUF. I would think he sees this supporting cast and would think he could put up good numbers and play for a good defense setting him up for a big contract somewhere next year. So bring him in and dump him next year ? Sound like McBeanes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: So bring him in and dump him next year ? Sound like McBeanes ? It actually does. The team finally is at the point where they may lose more players to UFA than sign = comp pick. Clowney would be a nice comp pick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: It actually does. The team finally is at the point where they may lose more players to UFA than sign = comp pick. Clowney would be a nice comp pick This is actually one of the arguements for getting Clowney that actually makes sense to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 8:35 PM, Turbo44 said: It actually does. The team finally is at the point where they may lose more players to UFA than sign = comp pick. Clowney would be a nice comp pick Thank you for the knowledge. did not know that ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 5 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: Thank you for the knowledge. did not know that ☺️ As for comp picks right now no one gets one for Clowney. So if he is dumb again next year there is no guarantee he delivers one. Also I think he might be waiting till after the worst of training camp to sign which to me is a bad signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/2/2020 at 8:46 PM, ScottLaw said: Yea but Process! Does Clowney get that? He’s lazy and wants money. Am I doing this right? 32 teams must all have the same process because he hasn’t signed with anyone. Am I doing this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Beast said: 32 teams must all have the same process because he hasn’t signed with anyone. Am I doing this right? I'm wondering if teams are worried about where the cap will be next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Beast said: 32 teams must all have the same process because he hasn’t signed with anyone. Am I doing this right? Does not mean they are not trying. He could be waiting things out to find the best landing spot. No reason for him to rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'm wondering if teams are worried about where the cap will be next year. I wonder what percentage of the NFL's revenue is tied to ticket sales? I would imagine that the NFL's 4 primary sources of revenue are TV, Live Event money (ticket sales and other in stadium deals), sponsorships, and merchandise. I would imagine that most of the revenue that comes in is the TV deal which shouldn't be impacted too much short term. The sponsorships are also fairly stable due to most being on multi-year contracts and while I think merchandise will take a hit I don't think it will be massive. But what percentage is related to live events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I wonder what percentage of the NFL's revenue is tied to ticket sales? I would imagine that the NFL's 4 primary sources of revenue are TV, Live Event money (ticket sales and other in stadium deals), sponsorships, and merchandise. I would imagine that most of the revenue that comes in is the TV deal which shouldn't be impacted too much short term. The sponsorships are also fairly stable due to most being on multi-year contracts and while I think merchandise will take a hit I don't think it will be massive. But what percentage is related to live events? I remember reading something that ticket sales reflect a teams profit margin while the TV revenue covers the costs. NFL owners push for stadium improvements because that is money they get to keep for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 10:00 AM, ngbills said: Exactly. Bring him to BUF. I would think he sees this supporting cast and would think he could put up good numbers and play for a good defense setting him up for a big contract somewhere next year. I agree. Clowney and his disruptive style would give this defense a no doubt factor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumblinstumblin Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Clowney is overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 This thread has been a barnacle on the front page... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/5/2020 at 4:36 PM, unbillievable said: I remember reading something that ticket sales reflect a teams profit margin while the TV revenue covers the costs. NFL owners push for stadium improvements because that is money they get to keep for themselves. NFL owners push ro stadium upgrades/new stadiums for the club seating/boxes. Ordinary ticket sale revenues are split evenly among the league, but the owners pocket their club seats/boxes revenues. That's one of the main reasons new stadiums are beneficial for owners, because they tend to have these options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Sign him already on a 1 year deal prove it deal. Brandon Beanes specialty, 1 year deals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, wppete said: Sign him already on a 1 year deal prove it deal. Brandon Beanes specialty, 1 year deals. They probably will not because there is more resources tied up on the defensive line than any other position group on the team. I would suspect Beane is done with the d-line for this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) They also could be getting more concerned about 2021 cap and trying to rollover funds as covid progresses. A new dynamic. Edited June 11, 2020 by NoSaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 49 minutes ago, Happy said: They probably will not because there is more resources tied up on the defensive line than any other position group on the team. I would suspect Beane is done with the d-line for this year. Agreed. But, they could always let Murphy go, Smith and probably another couple guys without killing depth. Roster seems to be in great shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, purple haze said: Agreed. But, they could always let Murphy go, Smith and probably another couple guys without killing depth. Roster seems to be in great shape. Trust me, I have no problem with letting Murphy go, I think that would be preferable. The problem is McDermott and Frazier don't see it that way. I agree that the roster is getting there, though the d-line will need to be addressed again next year with a few players on short term contracts as well as turning 32-33 years old, who are mostly stop gaps. Addison is one of them; I don't get letting Shaq go and bringing in a 32 year old DE, but he's an ex Panther so.... The o-line might also need to have a couple of spots addressed - RT, RG, LG - depending on how this year plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, wppete said: Sign him already on a 1 year deal prove it deal. Brandon Beanes specialty, 1 year deals. I agree! Sign him and really make this defense electric...no doubt...play makers galore! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 They've made it clear they want to re-sign guys. Doing this would make that a lot harder. He might be available for a short-term deal, but it won't be a cheap one. Possible, but very very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, purple haze said: Agreed. But, they could always let Murphy go, Smith and probably another couple guys without killing depth. Roster seems to be in great shape. Cutting Murphy and Smith would save them a bit over $7 mill against the cap after subtracting the dead cap. Anyone think Clowney's coming here for $7 mill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Cutting Murphy and Smith would save them a bit over $7 mill against the cap after subtracting the dead cap. Anyone think Clowney's coming here for $7 mill? He might end up signing for about that much. There's rumors of the cap going down in 2021 so teams are going to want to carry over more than normal. That cap space we have now might be earmarked for Milano/dawkins/tre. 12 hours ago, Rocket94 said: I agree! Sign him and really make this defense electric...no doubt...play makers galore! Does he want to sign at a place with hughes and addison? He's traditionally played roughly 80% of snaps when healthy. Depending which side he plays on - he might be looking at say - 50-60%. Assuming he plays on say hughes side. Also - if he's so good... why are Murphy's stats from 2019 better than Clowneys? Edited June 11, 2020 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Happy said: Trust me, I have no problem with letting Murphy go, I think that would be preferable. The problem is McDermott and Frazier don't see it that way. I agree that the roster is getting there, though the d-line will need to be addressed again next year with a few players on short term contracts as well as turning 32-33 years old, who are mostly stop gaps. Addison is one of them; I don't get letting Shaq go and bringing in a 32 year old DE, but he's an ex Panther so.... The o-line might also need to have a couple of spots addressed - RT, RG, LG - depending on how this year plays out. I'm sure Beane is prepared to deal with all of these situations when it comes time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Browns have offered "the most money to date" to free agent Jadeveon Clowney. Clowney has reportedly received "multiple" offers from the Browns, Titans, and Seahawks and has not agreed to any. We would expect this drama to end in the early summer. https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/8067/jadeveon-clowney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Cutting Murphy and Smith would save them a bit over $7 mill against the cap after subtracting the dead cap. Anyone think Clowney's coming here for $7 mill? I saw Seattle has offered 15 without converting him, so ..... no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Happy said: Trust me, I have no problem with letting Murphy go, I think that would be preferable. The problem is McDermott and Frazier don't see it that way. I agree that the roster is getting there, though the d-line will need to be addressed again next year with a few players on short term contracts as well as turning 32-33 years old, who are mostly stop gaps. Addison is one of them; I don't get letting Shaq go and bringing in a 32 year old DE, but he's an ex Panther so.... The o-line might also need to have a couple of spots addressed - RT, RG, LG - depending on how this year plays out. I hope it works out on the field, because I agree, it makes no sense on paper. This will likely be Hughes' last year, this is Murphy's last contract year, and Addison is already 32 and will be 33 when this season starts. On paper, it would seem to have made the most sense to re-sign Shaq, sign Addison, cut/trade Murphy, and draft Epenesa. That gives us Hughes and Addison as the old heads in the room and Shaq/AJ as the heir-apparents. But In Beane I Trust, so let's see how it goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 14 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Cutting Murphy and Smith would save them a bit over $7 mill against the cap after subtracting the dead cap. Anyone think Clowney's coming here for $7 mill? The Bills have more cap space than the 7 million they would get from cutting those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I hope it works out on the field, because I agree, it makes no sense on paper. This will likely be Hughes' last year, this is Murphy's last contract year, and Addison is already 32 and will be 33 when this season starts. On paper, it would seem to have made the most sense to re-sign Shaq, sign Addison, cut/trade Murphy, and draft Epenesa. That gives us Hughes and Addison as the old heads in the room and Shaq/AJ as the heir-apparents. But In Beane I Trust, so let's see how it goes. I keep wondering if there was something about Shaq they didn't like or trust, or if he was among the last remnants of the old regime, with Hughes being the other but they know he's done after this year. And for some reason, they really like Murphy. Edited June 11, 2020 by Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 7:44 PM, Happy said: Trust me, I have no problem with letting Murphy go, I think that would be preferable. The problem is McDermott and Frazier don't see it that way. I agree that the roster is getting there, though the d-line will need to be addressed again next year with a few players on short term contracts as well as turning 32-33 years old, who are mostly stop gaps. Addison is one of them; I don't get letting Shaq go and bringing in a 32 year old DE, but he's an ex Panther so.... The o-line might also need to have a couple of spots addressed - RT, RG, LG - depending on how this year plays out. Addison has been better player all around. Now he is older. But I think Beane and McD think they will get more for the same money. I liked Shaq though. 23 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Cutting Murphy and Smith would save them a bit over $7 mill against the cap after subtracting the dead cap. Anyone think Clowney's coming here for $7 mill? I thought Murphy was 7 by himself. But no, Clowney wouldn't want to come anywhere for 7 million. But at this late date he might not get much more if he wants to be on a winning team. The playoff teams have spent money already or have players in-house they need to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Is this saga ever going to end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, njbuff said: Is this saga ever going to end? If the Bills were interested in Clowney...we would know about it! Something would leak. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: If the Bills were interested in Clowney...we would know about it! Something would leak. I doubt it. The Bills definitely have no interest in Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: ? Did you hear that Cincinnati might swoope in or is that BS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Well he’s not resigning with Seattle. We’ll see. This should be fun. More melodrama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I can see BB going through camp to see where Murphy stands. If he isn't up to par, then it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he would cut Murphy and sign Clowney to a one year deal close to Murphy's savings. With the salaries of Cam and Jameis, I can see a team signing Clowney for less than $10 mil. Only caveat is I don't think he'll be a FA past the first day of training camp. He will sign somewhere by then, and it will be too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: Did you hear that Cincinnati might swoope in or is that BS? Haven’t heard that yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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