What would you think of Stefon Diggs and Xavier Rhodes for Cole Beasley, Taron Johnson and a 4th rounder

[oldmanfan]

OP, word of advice.  Way too early in the day to be drinking that much.

[njbuff]

Is the Minnesota GM on a suicide watch we don't know about?

[White Linen]

We already have a guy that stretches the field - it's not what we need. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We need a #1 WR guy to stretch the field in the worst way possible.

 

FA Market / Draft

 

This is a WR rich draft with potential Day 1 starters available all the way into the third round.  However, the FA market is thin with only Amari Cooper and maybe Green (if not franchise tagged) likely available.

 

That brings me to trade possibilities

 

Stefon Diggs is unhappy in Minny - has removed all Vikings mentions from twitter and was complaining about targets all year. He also apparently cannot get along with Adam Thielen. He has been mentioned on the internet as a trade candidate forever. However most of the discussion has focused on the Pats as trade partners.

 

Thielen is a true #1 with great outside skills - but has been forced to go inside a lot to defer to Diggs (especially after the latter complained). While he (Thielen) has done admirably in the slot - his true position is outside.

 

Why Beasley & Taron Johnson?

 

Minny is in a horrible horrible cap situation. They will save 5.5 million by trading Diggs. Trading Rhodes saves them an additional 8.1 mill. They will also likely be extending Cousins (to reduce the cap hit), and releasing Livnal Joseph to create some cap space. They want to be competitive and do not want to get rid of all their assets in a firesale. Based on above discussion, Thielen and Minny can benefit a lot from having a guy like Beasley operating underneath. Cole and Taron are signed to very reasonable contracts - together will count less than 6.5 mill for 2020.  Cole has done a great deal for our team.  And Taron has clearly outplayed his contract. Minny also has Holton HIll ready to step into Rodes' shoes. Having Taron and Cole keeps Minny competitive but at about 7.1 million less. 

 

Why the trade for us? 

 

As we saw in the Houston playoff game, to take the next step, we need a guy to stretch the field and Diggs is among the best out there. Also, we have Dukle Williams ready to step into Beasley's shoes - already in the Hou playoff game, I think Duke was in for more snaps than Beasley. With a WR rich draft (we are taking at least one WR in the first 3 rounds), we dont really have roster space for both Beasley and Diggs. we can easily absorb the extra salary with our cap situation. We acutely felt Levi Wallace's absence late last season and need depth at CB. And if Rhodes does not work out, we can always cut him.

 

I am yet to see anyone here or on the net propose a trade for Diggs involving Beasley. So any comments will be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

 

Dion Dawkins played more snaps than Duke Williams so guess would make more sense to have him take Beasley's place.  The fact that Beasley and Williams play different positions, didn't stop you from proposing this, so lets go with Dawkins instead!  On top of that I believe his catch completion percentage is better than either Beasley or Williams (1 for 1)

 

[MyDogLuvsPB]

No way!  It's disproportionately lopsided in our favor..

[BuffaninATL]

4 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

huh? Confused by that post. Are you saying Duke didnt play the slot in 2019? Or are you saying Beasley doesnt play the slot?

 

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3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

You and I have different definitions for "entertaining."

 

to wit, entertaining does not equate to maddening

[HOUSE]

This could happen...?

[LSHMEAB]

5 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

If you can get them to throw in McCaffrey and Kupp I’m in 

Meh. Still not cutting it for me. They better be willing to part with Chad Greenway and Matt Birk if we're gonna give up this kind of capital.

 

Birk still has some gas left in the tank and I'm not sold on Morse. Greenway could easily fill Lorax's role.

 

Even then...MAYBE. They throw in Jared Allen to fill the edge role and we're in business.

Edited March 5, 2020 by LSHMEAB

[billsfan89]

This trade makes zero sense for the Vikings. For one why would they trade Diggs? Two why would they take back Cole Beasley when Thilen is occupying their slot WR position. What are they getting for an elite WR? A solid slot corner, a redundant WR, and a 4th round pick? The Vikings save about the same amount of cap space cutting Rhodes as they would trading him so there is no benefit in taking on Rhodes salary in a trade and while Johnson would be a good get and a 4th round pick is an asset the drop between Diggs and Beasley isn't worth it. 

 

Don't get me wrong I would easily give up a 2nd round pick and a 5th round pick for Diggs who would instantly fill the need for a WR (although I would still draft a WR in round 3 to get a bit younger at the position and add depth) and easily anchor the WR core for the next 3 seasons as Diggs will be 27 next season. And Digg's contract is easy to get out of after 2 seasons so it isn't a bad contract to take on. 

 

But I don't see the Vikings dumping Diggs who is in his prime and on a more than fair contract. Let alone dumping him for a mediocre package of players and a mid round pick. 

[Victory Formation]

?

 

Beasley is my favorite player on the Bills not named Josh Allen.

[Sherlock Holmes]

This is sickening...if we traded Beasley I'd lose my mind. But we should add Thielen to our mix for sure

[Augie]

I’m still looking forward to the first trade scenario thread I enjoy. There may have been a reasonable one somewhere along the line, but I don’t recall it. 

 

Now, a post about your dream with a unicorn, that might be more likely and entertaining. Who doesn’t love a unicorn? 

 

 

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Edited March 5, 2020 by Augie

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We need a #1 WR guy to stretch the field in the worst way possible.

 

FA Market / Draft

 

 

 

I am yet to see anyone here or on the net propose a trade for Diggs involving Beasley. So any comments will be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

 

 

You left out the cost to the Bills of trading for Diggs.  Why is that?  It might be a 1st round pick---why would they ask for less.

 

Also, Diggs's dead cap cost to the Vikings is 9, 6 and 3 million over the next 3 years.  Beasley is currently getting paid 6 million a year.

 

Also, why would the Vikings want Beasely instead of Diggs (who is signed for the next 4 seasons)?

 

 

[CSBill]

16 minutes ago, Augie said:

I’m still looking forward to the first trade scenario thread I enjoy. There may have been a reasonable one somewhere along the line, but I don’t recall it. 

 

Now, a post about your dream with a unicorn, that might be more likely and entertaining. Who doesn’t love a unicorn? 

 

 

.

 

Sorry, I'm not big on unicorns.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, CSBill said:

 

Sorry, I'm not big on unicorns.

Have you ever met one with a bad attitude? 

[Dopey]

6 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

check out the snap counts from the Hou playoff game. Also, we are drafting another WR in the first three rounds of the 2020 draft - so we should be fine without Beasley.

Snap count aside, he had 4 catches and  2 critical drops in that game. He's not better than Cole, not even close.

[Buffalo Junction]

7 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We need a #1 WR guy to stretch the field in the worst way possible.

 

FA Market / Draft

 

This is a WR rich draft with potential Day 1 starters available all the way into the third round.  However, the FA market is thin with only Amari Cooper and maybe Green (if not franchise tagged) likely available.

 

That brings me to trade possibilities

 

Stefon Diggs is unhappy in Minny - has removed all Vikings mentions from twitter and was complaining about targets all year. He also apparently cannot get along with Adam Thielen. He has been mentioned on the internet as a trade candidate forever. However most of the discussion has focused on the Pats as trade partners.

 

Thielen is a true #1 with great outside skills - but has been forced to go inside a lot to defer to Diggs (especially after the latter complained). While he (Thielen) has done admirably in the slot - his true position is outside.

 

Why Beasley & Taron Johnson?

 

Minny is in a horrible horrible cap situation. They will save 5.5 million by trading Diggs. Trading Rhodes saves them an additional 8.1 mill. They will also likely be extending Cousins (to reduce the cap hit), and releasing Livnal Joseph to create some cap space. They want to be competitive and do not want to get rid of all their assets in a firesale. Based on above discussion, Thielen and Minny can benefit a lot from having a guy like Beasley operating underneath. Cole and Taron are signed to very reasonable contracts - together will count less than 6.5 mill for 2020.  Cole has done a great deal for our team.  And Taron has clearly outplayed his contract. Minny also has Holton HIll ready to step into Rodes' shoes. Having Taron and Cole keeps Minny competitive but at about 7.1 million less. 

 

Why the trade for us? 

 

As we saw in the Houston playoff game, to take the next step, we need a guy to stretch the field and Diggs is among the best out there. Also, we have Dukle Williams ready to step into Beasley's shoes - already in the Hou playoff game, I think Duke was in for more snaps than Beasley. With a WR rich draft (we are taking at least one WR in the first 3 rounds), we dont really have roster space for both Beasley and Diggs. we can easily absorb the extra salary with our cap situation. We acutely felt Levi Wallace's absence late last season and need depth at CB. And if Rhodes does not work out, we can always cut him.

 

I am yet to see anyone here or on the net propose a trade for Diggs involving Beasley. So any comments will be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

Let them bite the bullet then sign a guy who fits the bills schemes. Joseph, Griffen, Rhodes, Reiff, etc. They’ll release someone. 

[LB48]

7 hours ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said:

Stop 

Thank You for stopping the silly, in small minds, trades of fantasy!

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

This is sickening...if we traded Beasley I'd lose my mind. But we should add Thielen to our mix for sure

...and just like that Sherlock advocates for another white skill player

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Duke =/= Beasley.

 

Not Even Close.  Nothing against Duke.  I hope he works his butt off this off season, takes a step, and earns a spot here or elsewhere in the NFL.

But he ain't Beasley.  Totally different type of receiver.  Beasley could juke a snake out of its skin.

 

7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

so you want Diggs at X, Duke freaking Williams at Y and Brown i suppose at Z?

super fun count me in.

 

Anyone ever tell you you're cute when you're sarcastic?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Dion Dawkins played more snaps than Duke Williams so guess would make more sense to have him take Beasley's place.  The fact that Beasley and Williams play different positions, didn't stop you from proposing this, so lets go with Dawkins instead!  On top of that I believe his catch completion percentage is better than either Beasley or Williams (1 for 1)

 

 

Actually, it's higher than that.  Two TD receptions even!  100% TD on each catch!  Winner!

 

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No thanks. Duke has less than 20% chance of being on the roster next season. The Houston game showed the defense is far from elite. Yes another WR would be great, but the priority is pass rushers.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

This is sickening...if we traded Beasley I'd lose my mind. But we should add Thielen to our mix for sure

 

The Vikings have a year left on Cousins big contract.  Why would they want to trade away either or both of his best weapons?

[Dopey]

18 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We need a #1 WR guy to stretch the field in the worst way possible.

 

FA Market / Draft

 

This is a WR rich draft with potential Day 1 starters available all the way into the third round.  However, the FA market is thin with only Amari Cooper and maybe Green (if not franchise tagged) likely available.

 

That brings me to trade possibilities

 

Stefon Diggs is unhappy in Minny - has removed all Vikings mentions from twitter and was complaining about targets all year. He also apparently cannot get along with Adam Thielen. He has been mentioned on the internet as a trade candidate forever. However most of the discussion has focused on the Pats as trade partners.

 

Thielen is a true #1 with great outside skills - but has been forced to go inside a lot to defer to Diggs (especially after the latter complained). While he (Thielen) has done admirably in the slot - his true position is outside.

 

Why Beasley & Taron Johnson?

 

Minny is in a horrible horrible cap situation. They will save 5.5 million by trading Diggs. Trading Rhodes saves them an additional 8.1 mill. They will also likely be extending Cousins (to reduce the cap hit), and releasing Livnal Joseph to create some cap space. They want to be competitive and do not want to get rid of all their assets in a firesale. Based on above discussion, Thielen and Minny can benefit a lot from having a guy like Beasley operating underneath. Cole and Taron are signed to very reasonable contracts - together will count less than 6.5 mill for 2020.  Cole has done a great deal for our team.  And Taron has clearly outplayed his contract. Minny also has Holton HIll ready to step into Rodes' shoes. Having Taron and Cole keeps Minny competitive but at about 7.1 million less. 

 

Why the trade for us? 

 

As we saw in the Houston playoff game, to take the next step, we need a guy to stretch the field and Diggs is among the best out there. Also, we have Dukle Williams ready to step into Beasley's shoes - already in the Hou playoff game, I think Duke was in for more snaps than Beasley. With a WR rich draft (we are taking at least one WR in the first 3 rounds), we dont really have roster space for both Beasley and Diggs. we can easily absorb the extra salary with our cap situation. We acutely felt Levi Wallace's absence late last season and need depth at CB. And if Rhodes does not work out, we can always cut him.

 

I am yet to see anyone here or on the net propose a trade for Diggs involving Beasley. So any comments will be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

The part in bold sounds like a great argument for keeping these 2 guy vs. trading them. I'd rather go after a FA like Demarcus Robinson or Breshad Perriman and draft one. We want to build on last year and trading Cole and Taron would be counter to that. Plus I really don't want a guy who whines when he's not getting enough touches. We don't need Josh feeling compelled to publicly apologize to Diggs like Cousins did last year for not throwing to him enough. Has the appearance that Diggs is a "me" person.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

After thinking about this some more, I propose instead;

 

Mahomes and Hill for Lee Smith, Matt Barkleyand an 8th.

 

Mahomes is bound to be a cap casualty so they are might take anything for him. ?

Edited March 5, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The Vikings have a year left on Cousins big contract.  Why would they want to trade away either or both of his best weapons?

Doubt they want to, but as we saw last year, both Thielen and Diggs made a big stink early in the year and suggested they wanted to be traded when they seemed disgruntled with Cousins

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Doubt they want to, but as we saw last year, both Thielen and Diggs made a big stink early in the year and suggested they wanted to be traded when they seemed disgruntled with Cousins

Stefanski imo. 

[T master]

So get rid of 2 team oriented players that fit the "Process" that McD is trying to make that have cap friendly contracts going forward not to mention Beasley being a very productive part of the offense to a diva type in Diggs that is very talented but has a huge ego (Look at me c what i can do) that doesn't get along with some of his team mates which could be a possibility here & will have a contract to match his ego ??

 

When we could keep what Beane has brought in & get in a year where the draft is filled with very talented, young, cap friendly contract rookies that fit & want to come to B/Lo for more than a huge contract through the draft to build on what is here ? ??

 

No offense, I'll pass,  I think i'll follow Beane's lead just makes more sense IMHO ... 

[Sherlock Holmes]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Stefanski imo. 

Makes sense, Cousins wasn't thattt bad

[Rico]

I for one would love to see an upgrade from Beasley. Hate to see TJohnson go though.

[RyanC883]

ok, this thread is ridiculous.  And not the OP's post, but the reactions to it.  We all know we need to improve the WR position.  The OP suggests a unique way to improve the position.  The responses have largely been overly derogatory.  Some have made good points (Beasley is a safety blanket for JA, loves it here, and would be a culture killer to trade him); others act like we could never replace Beasley and/or have no need for a bigger WR who can stretch the field because we have Brown.  

 

Would I make this trade, no, but people, quit piling on the OP as if he suggested trading away JA for Peterman.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Stefanski imo. 

 

A good point.  It will remain to be seen how things will shake out under their New Sheriff, Kubiak

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

ok, this thread is ridiculous.  And not the OP's post, but the reactions to it.  We all know we need to improve the WR position.  The OP suggests a unique way to improve the position.  The responses have largely been overly derogatory.  Some have made good points (Beasley is a safety blanket for JA, loves it here, and would be a culture killer to trade him); others act like we could never replace Beasley and/or have no need for a bigger WR who can stretch the field because we have Brown.  

 

Would I make this trade, no, but people, quit piling on the OP as if he suggested trading away JA for Peterman.  

 

Look, the OP suggested the Vikes might trade a top-20 WR and a pro-bowl CB for a very good slot receiver, a nickel corner, and a late pick. 

That's Just Silly.  Too much time playing Madden; not enough time thinking about it from the point of view of the trade partner's GM.

 

No, it's not quite trading Allen for Peterman, but it's closer to that level of ridiculousness than you seem to believe.   We have a pretty savvy bunch here; if they pile on something, there's generally a reason.

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Look, the OP suggested the Vikes might trade a top-20 WR and a FORMER pro-bowl CB for a very good slot receiver, a nickel corner, and a late pick. 

That's Just Silly.  Too much time playing Madden; not enough time thinking about it from the point of view of the trade partner's GM.

 

No, it's not quite trading Allen for Peterman, but it's closer to that level of ridiculousness than you seem to believe.   We have a pretty savvy bunch here; if they pile on something, there's generally a reason.

Fixed.  He was pretty bad last year and was benched at times last year due to his poor play.

[TheFunPolice]

I would feel a little bit guilty for robbing the Vikings blind but I would get over it.

[frostbitmic]

We would be better at WR ... Worse at CB ... And be short a 4th round draft choice.

 

Diggs would be awesome, the rest sucks.

[John from Riverside]

How about we get Diggs to ADD TO Beasely in Buffalo?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Rhodes is completely done and there’s no reason to get rid of Beasley 

[IgotBILLStopay]

BOLO for a Diggs trade happening soon.

 

 

[zevo]

On 3/4/2020 at 3:21 PM, KD in CA said:

 

I take it this is your first off season on this board.   Just wait....it gets better.