YoloinOhio Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Edited February 5, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 That is that then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Ok. No more him talk welcome to the Bills Yetur Gross-Matos Edited February 5, 2020 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Well shucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Meh, I take it with a grain of salt at this point. He has posted some things on social media that would indicate that he doesn't want to be there, and his agent may apply pressure. We'll see what happens. Also, I hate the franchise tag. What a stupid, unfair thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Meh, I take it with a grain of salt at this point. He has posted some things on social media that would indicate that he doesn't want to be there, and his agent may apply pressure. We'll see what happens. Also, I hate the franchise tag. What a stupid, unfair thing. If they tag him, could see a hold out. They also have no cap space (though cutting Dareus frees up like 13 mill) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 There are other good pass rushers that will be available.... We need a WR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If they tag him, could see a hold out. They also have no cap space (though cutting Dareus frees up like 13 mill) You have to wonder if teams are getting to a point where they're wondering if using the tag on someone who is gonna make trouble isn't worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I think they franchise him then trade him, this has a Clowney situation written all over it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hello, Arik Armstead! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Ugh that's disappointing. They should do away with the franchise tag in the next CBA. Pay the player what they're worth or move on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Ugh that's disappointing. They should do away with the franchise tag in the next CBA. Pay the player what they're worth or move on. Agreed-I think it would make the game better. Instead of spending loads of cap $ on middle tier players teams would be bidding on actual star level players. Think of Pat Mahomes hitting free agency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 i don't see why he'd really hate the tag. makes a ton of money into final year of cba and he gets a nice deal next year. btw teams can use franchise tag and transition tag this year not one or the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Not sure why Jags would let him walk and get nothing in return. If he’s that good, somebody will trade a 2nd rounder for him like Clark and Ford last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, BuffaloRebound said: Not sure why Jags would let him walk and get nothing in return. If he’s that good, somebody will trade a 2nd rounder for him like Clark and Ford last year. Didn't it used to be that you could only use the tag if you intended to pursue a long term deal, and using it for a tag and trade was a faux pas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If they tag him, could see a hold out. They also have no cap space (though cutting Dareus frees up like 13 mill) Calais Campbell has a $15M base salary and would only account for $2.5M dead money. They've got ways to make cap room that could still benefit Buffalo. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That's nice, but they are gonna have to come up with some money, since right now they are $3.4M in the red This was being discussed in another thread. Cut Dareus - $22.5M cap - $2.5M dead cap Cut Linder -$8M cap _______________________________________________ $22.1M cap available They need maybe $10M for their rookie pool (they have 2 - 1st round picks this year) Not gonna sign OR franchise Ngakoue for $12M - projection is $17.9 for a franchise tag at DE So who is on the trade block then? 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If they tag him, could see a hold out. They also have no cap space (though cutting Dareus frees up like 13 mill) See above, am I wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's nice, but they are gonna have to come up with some money, since right now they are $3.4M in the red This was being discussed in another thread. Cut Dareus - $22.5M cap - $2.5M dead cap Cut Linder -$8M cap _______________________________________________ $22.1M cap available They need maybe $10M for their rookie pool (they have 2 - 1st round picks this year) Not gonna sign OR franchise Ngakoue for $12M - projection is $17.9 for a franchise tag at DE So who is on the trade block then? Calais Campbell? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 That means that Calais Campbell can be ours for a song. Do it. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: That means that Calais Campbell can be ours for a song. Do it. That's the only way they can afford Yannick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: That means that Calais Campbell can be ours for a song. Do it. Man of the year. McD would have a Jet waiting the second they tagged Yannick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 LOL. Wait one cotton pickin’ minute. We’re talkin’ ‘bout the Jagoffs, right? Nice try Doug. He’s ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: That means that Calais Campbell can be ours for a song. Do it. And I'm OK with that. Do the Jags need to hold cap space clear for rookie pool from the start of the league year? Or if they cut Dareus and Linder do they have enough cap space to tag Ngakoue and a couple months to work something out that would free up their rookie pool? Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Also, I hate the franchise tag. What a stupid, unfair thing. The Owners and Players Union agreed to it in the last collective bargaining agreement. If it is unfair to one side, they must have gotten something else they wanted in return. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: The Owners and Players Union agreed to it in the last collective bargaining agreement. If it is unfair to one side, they must have gotten something else they wanted in return. for sure. And I don’t like guys holding out when on it cause they agreed to it (in a sense). I just think on principle it’s garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 38 minutes ago, aristocrat said: i don't see why he'd really hate the tag. makes a ton of money into final year of cba and he gets a nice deal next year. btw teams can use franchise tag and transition tag this year not one or the other Players like longer contracts with more guaranteed money. If a guy gets hurt playing on the tag or is seen as falling off, he won't get his payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Bills need more size from a new edge player. They already have a 6-2 254 pass rusher. They don't need to pay 20 mill for another. They need size. Case closed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Players like longer contracts with more guaranteed money. If a guy gets hurt playing on the tag or is seen as falling off, he won't get his payday. i understand that. career ending injuries are very rare. he can get insurance for that. and with the new cba who knows what he will be worth next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And I'm OK with that. Do the Jags need to hold cap space clear for rookie pool from the start of the league year? Or if they cut Dareus and Linder do they have enough cap space to tag Ngakoue and a couple months to work something out that would free up their rookie pool? Anyone know? They’d have time to clear room for picks, but their HC and GM that are squarely in the firing line would have zero ability to add talent in FA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Ok. No more him talk welcome to the Bills Yetur Gross-Matos Not happening. You can’t tell me that Beane and McD would be ok with YGM’s hazing allegations. Too many potential red flags IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Don't want him anyway. Price is too high on a 240 LB DE. Move on to other options 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: They’d have time to clear room for picks, but their HC and GM that are squarely in the firing line would have zero ability to add talent in FA. And I voted beer, but that kind of makes me smile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Not happening. You can’t tell me that Beane and McD would be ok with YGM’s hazing allegations. Too many potential red flags IMO. You heard it here, if they like YGM as a player, they will talk to him and make up their own minds. But IMHO even if we retain Shaq and draft someone, we need a FA edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: If they tag him, could see a hold out. They also have no cap space (though cutting Dareus frees up like 13 mill) Not to nitpick, but I think they actually save $20M just on Dareus. That alone gives them the money for Ngakoue. I could see him holding out so he doesn’t have to play for the team that’s playing two home games in London this year. But I’d have to think they’d get a 1st for him. And I’d rather not do that personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: They’d have time to clear room for picks, but their HC and GM that are squarely in the firing line would have zero ability to add talent in FA. This almost feels like the organization covering their asses from the fan backlash when he ultimately leaves. Try to paint it that they want him, he is the one who doesn't want to be there even though they say they want him. I do think it sets a bad example when you tag someone who doesn't want to be there - it certainly does not help culture or make other players on the team or FAs feel like they should stay away. Not one players wants to be tagged let alone 2 years in a row on a 1 year contract when they refuse to sign long term. I am pretty sure no one wants to play for Doug and there is no way all of this displeasure was all on Coughlin. You are also 1000% correct on your point 27 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: Not to nitpick, but I think they actually save $20M just on Dareus. That alone gives them the money for Ngakoue. I could see him holding out so he doesn’t have to play for the team that’s playing two home games in London this year. But I’d have to think they’d get a 1st for him. And I’d rather not do that personally $20M it is & Foles is staying - it will cost them $33M to get rid of him. Calias is definitely a targetto be cut if they want Yannick, but if Yannick doesn't want to sign it turns into a Clowney situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Meh trade for a Bosa or Watt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think they franchise him then trade him, this has a Clowney situation written all over it. I believe that you are correct. Jags won't just let him walk and get nothing in return. He will be in high demand, if they make him available. This will drive the price up. Chasing him doesn't seem to fit Beane's approach to team building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Mark Vader said: Hello, Arik Armstead! Yep, if Ngak is signed then Armstead should be the next guy to focus on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And I'm OK with that. Do the Jags need to hold cap space clear for rookie pool from the start of the league year? Or if they cut Dareus and Linder do they have enough cap space to tag Ngakoue and a couple months to work something out that would free up their rookie pool? Anyone know? they don’t need it til signing players and I swear this is the only board I see guys worried about rookie cap hits. It’s sooooo easy to move money that being remotely close is simple to fix and that money is really minimal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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