Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Both teams are loaded with talent and both only lack good QB play to be a consistent winner. Rivers has reportedly relocated his family to Florida. One might assume Brady would want a warm weather place to finish his career, or play a majority of his games in a dome. Both have offensive minded head coaches. Free agency this year will be incredible if these guys decide to keep playing and take their talents elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 it will be interesting to see what happens with winston. will someone take a shot at him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Not sure how committed Bruce Arians is to Jameis Winston in Tampa as a starter next year. Of any of the Florida teams, Tampa could be the best FA QB landing spot. I would think Frank Reich is fairly happy with Jacoby Brisette and their GM recently remarked they want to continue to build through the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Both teams are loaded with talent and both only lack good QB play to be a consistent winner. Rivers has reportedly relocated his family to Florida. One might assume Brady would want a warm weather place to finish his career, or play a majority of his games in a dome. Both have offensive minded head coaches. Free agency this year will be incredible if these guys decide to keep playing and take their talents elsewhere. They are both in decline, so "taking their talents elsewhere" is kind of a funny statement. Neither would take the Chargers to the playoffs, one of them MIGHT be able to take the Bucs into the playoffs, because that division is crap. I can't imagine Brady in those ugly Tampa uni's. He is too big of a name to end it all in Tampa. It's gotta be one of the more prominent franchises or not at all. I wouldn't want either of them at this point. Edited January 20, 2020 by 32ABBA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzardman Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Replacing Winston with Rivers is a weird one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, aristocrat said: it will be interesting to see what happens with winston. will someone take a shot at him? he'd be interesting to see in LAC. Although, the turnovers just kill any team he is on. The offense would be fun to watch. I can see Bruce Ariens being interested in T. Bridgewater. He could have that Tampa offense flying like he did with the Saints. Edited January 20, 2020 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Bridgewater should only go to where he can start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) Although Tannehill and Tenn did well, it is not a forgone conclusion that they will be back together again next year. (Tannehill is a free agent) Money talks, and who knows the calculus around QB's. It does involve Millions of dollars, however. And, the Vrabel/Brady connection could come into play here imho, they certainly know each other well as they were Pats for years together. Edited January 20, 2020 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think Tampa are sticking with Winston. Just a gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think Rivers ends up in Tampa or Jacksonville (doubt he wants to end his career on the Dolphins). I think Arians is done with Winston, seems like he was during the season but didn't want to just come out and say it. I think it would be funnier to see Winston end up in NE and BB 'fixing' his INT issues...... I could also see Marriotta ending up in NE if Brady leaves. I don't see BB at this stage going with an inexperienced rookie. (I do think this is all posturing and Brady will be back on a 1-2 year deal to retire a Pat and play in front of a guy they draft early this year). I think the Chargers are going to go to the draft and maybe pick up a placeholder to play for now til they feel the rookie is ready. Although I think they may try to pull off a blockbuster deal to move ahead in the draft and get a big name college QB to draw in the Fans or make a huge push for Brady to get fans into the new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I had not thought of Brady in Indi; a great fit, as they may have the best offensive line and Reich as the coach. I can actually seeing a move like this happening, but still not likely. 6 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: I think Arians is done with Winston, seems like he was during the season but didn't want to just come out and say it. I think it would be funnier to see Winston end up in NE and BB 'fixing' his INT issues... Winston has a great arm. He may be worth the risk, a dynamic talent, but flawed. BB and McDaniel's should give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Consistent winner? Rivers? Up to the first week on the Advent calendar, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Rivers to TB is gold. Outside of Winston Rivers probably throws as many 50/50 balls as any QB in football. That is perfect for that group of WR's in TB that can just go up and get it. Unlike Winston, his 50/50 balls generally aren't intercepted and while he still does make the occasional bone head play it's usually around desperation time. TB is way better than most casual fans think. Defense showed a lot this year. Huge strides. Offense has talent for days. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Consistent winner? Rivers? Up to the first week on the Advent calendar, maybe. Agreed...a guy who has made the playoffs in 5 seasons of his 'storied' career... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Bridgewater should only go to where he can start. There should be about 15 HC and GM’s interested in Bridgewater. He’s better than about half the starting QBs in the league. Even if you have a Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones, Josh Allen, you should be asking the cost of TB because he’s an immediate upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mango said: There should be about 15 HC and GM’s interested in Bridgewater. He’s better than about half the starting QBs in the league. Even if you have a Baker Mayfield, Daniel Jones, Josh Allen, you should be asking the cost of TB because he’s an immediate upgrade. he played well but in his 6 games he kind of alternated quality- odd games 1 TD in 3 weeks, the even games 8 tds in 3 weeks. generally efficient but defense and Mike Thomas did A LOT for him. heck the Dallas win was 12-10 for instance. Edited January 21, 2020 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I don't get the infatuation that people have for Rivers and Brady. They have been great in the past but I believe time has taken its toll. Neither of these guys showed me much this year and being another year older isn't going to make either of them any better. Neither of these two are going to play on a cheap contract or be okay being a backup. There are better options for teams to bridge the gap until they obtain a young guy to develop for the long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 3:29 PM, aristocrat said: it will be interesting to see what happens with winston. will someone take a shot at him? I heard he is trying to reach out to teams but all his attempts have been intercepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I was on the NFL subreddit a few weeks back and someone legitimately called Winston's season with Arians as the new shot caller. Said something like, "Jameis about to rack up 5000 yards, 33 TDs, and 30 INTs" which is exactly what he did... I say this because it seems like there's a feeling that Rivers could do well there... he threw 20 INTs last season, haha, so I guess he'd fit right in. I watched a few Chargers games this past year and anytime they were trailing (which was a lot) it seemed like all they did was toss up a prayer and see if one of their guys would come down with it. There'd be time on the clock to construct a decent drive but instead it was like they were trying to get all the yards they needed in one play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 12:29 PM, aristocrat said: it will be interesting to see what happens with winston. will someone take a shot at him? I think Tampa franchises him, takes a shot to see if he can play in Bruce's system (a complex system that apparently takes a full season to get into.) Indy is an interesting team as with some punch in the skill positions they could be a dangerous team as their O-line is solid, Mack is a decent back, and their defense is solid. However they have a ton of cap space even if they cut Brisett and take the 12.5 million in dead money. So they could sign almost any QB on the market and have plenty of money to add a receiver or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 the Bucs had the#1 pass rusher Shaquille Barrett and WR Mike Evans. Beyond that I didn't see much to get excited about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 4:15 PM, GunnerBill said: I think Tampa are sticking with Winston. Just a gut feeling. QB pergatory 9 minutes ago, stuvian said: the Bucs had the#1 pass rusher Shaquille Barrett and WR Mike Evans. Beyond that I didn't see much to get excited about Chris Godwin might want to dispute that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 14 hours ago, blacklabel said: I was on the NFL subreddit a few weeks back and someone legitimately called Winston's season with Arians as the new shot caller. Said something like, "Jameis about to rack up 5000 yards, 33 TDs, and 30 INTs" which is exactly what he did... I say this because it seems like there's a feeling that Rivers could do well there... he threw 20 INTs last season, haha, so I guess he'd fit right in. I watched a few Chargers games this past year and anytime they were trailing (which was a lot) it seemed like all they did was toss up a prayer and see if one of their guys would come down with it. There'd be time on the clock to construct a decent drive but instead it was like they were trying to get all the yards they needed in one play. Can you imagine Drew Brees in that offense? He'd take them to another level as well, a level beyond that of what Phillip Rivers could. The only thing Tampa would need is a couple of quality RB's, some tweaking of the OL, and they would be a legitimate NFC contender for a couple of years if Brees' consistency holds up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 8:16 PM, KzooMike said: Rivers to TB is gold. Outside of Winston Rivers probably throws as many 50/50 balls as any QB in football. That is perfect for that group of WR's in TB that can just go up and get it. Unlike Winston, his 50/50 balls generally aren't intercepted and while he still does make the occasional bone head play it's usually around desperation time. TB is way better than most casual fans think. Defense showed a lot this year. Huge strides. Offense has talent for days. How often did you watch him last year? Personally I think he's lost a bit off his fastball. Those 50/50's aren't getting there as fast as they used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: How often did you watch him last year? Personally I think he's lost a bit off his fastball. Those 50/50's aren't getting there as fast as they used to. Agreed. Rivers in TB could mean the Bucs would have back-to-back 30/30 QBs. And Rivers has more of a shot put throw than a fastball. No Bueno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I’d say the Titans. Tom Brady on the Titans makes them a dangerous team. They got to the AFC Championship on the shoulders of Derrick Henry. If you add Tom Brady to the mix they could be deadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 tamp went 7-9 with 3 losses 4 points or less and another 3 losses by a td or less. that's with winston and his 30 picks. they gotta get the guy to throw less picks somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 3:42 PM, blizzardman said: Replacing Winston with Rivers is a weird one. It really only makes sense if Tampa is looking to cut costs at the QB position or wants to draft a QB and view Rivers as a better mentor. Rivers is almost certainly a downgrade compared to Jameis and is obviously like 12+ years older too. At any rate, Rivers reportedly moved close to Panama City; that's a very long commute to play for Tampa. Nashville, Atlanta, New Orleans and Jacksonville are all closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 hours ago, stuvian said: the Bucs had the#1 pass rusher Shaquille Barrett and WR Mike Evans. Beyond that I didn't see much to get excited about Chris Godwin was the #1 rated WR by PFF this year; they have two elite WRs in place for whoever the QB is. Two talented TEs. Their offensive line blossomed this year after seemingly a decade of being among the worst in the league. Ali Marpet has always been a stud, but the rest of the group all played average or above-average this season. The defense as a whole was above-average, and was particularly good down the stretch with Vita Vea blossoming into one of the best young DTs in the league, Jamel Dean playing at an elite level the second half of the year, Shaq Barrett obviously having a monster year, and LaVonte David being his usual elite self. They have a lot of talent on that team; just too many turnovers or they probably would have been in the playoffs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: Chris Godwin was the #1 rated WR by PFF this year; they have two elite WRs in place for whoever the QB is. Two talented TEs. Their offensive line blossomed this year after seemingly a decade of being among the worst in the league. Ali Marpet has always been a stud, but the rest of the group all played average or above-average this season. The defense as a whole was above-average, and was particularly good down the stretch with Vita Vea blossoming into one of the best young DTs in the league, Jamel Dean playing at an elite level the second half of the year, Shaq Barrett obviously having a monster year, and LaVonte David being his usual elite self. They have a lot of talent on that team; just too many turnovers or they probably would have been in the playoffs. And they have good coaching minds on both sides of the ball in Arians and Bowles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 3:29 PM, aristocrat said: it will be interesting to see what happens with winston. will someone take a shot at him? Possibly law enforcement, if he shoplifts any more crab legs. 3 hours ago, aristocrat said: tamp went 7-9 with 3 losses 4 points or less and another 3 losses by a td or less. that's with winston and his 30 picks. they gotta get the guy to throw less picks somehow. BBRF! (Bring Back Ryan Fitzpatrick!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Sunshower said: I’d say the Titans. Tom Brady on the Titans makes them a dangerous team. They got to the AFC Championship on the shoulders of Derrick Henry. If you add Tom Brady to the mix they could be deadly. Is Tom Brady of two years ago being resurrected in this free agency? Because at this point he’s no better than Tannehill. 16 games this season Brady has 4000 yards, 24TD + 8 INTS. 10 games and Tannehill has 2700 yards, 22 TDS and 6 INTS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 But, but, but.... Jacoby Brissett is a good starting NFL QB I thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Is Tom Brady of two years ago being resurrected in this free agency? Because at this point he’s no better than Tannehill. 16 games this season Brady has 4000 yards, 24TD + 8 INTS. 10 games and Tannehill has 2700 yards, 22 TDS and 6 INTS. Tannehill was the perfect QB for their style of play...he is accurate deep and they used him off play action to go deep to wide open players many times...just didn't work well enough against KC in the championship game because they bottled up Henry pretty well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: How often did you watch him last year? Personally I think he's lost a bit off his fastball. Those 50/50's aren't getting there as fast as they used to. I watched enough of him and TB to feel solid in my statement. Rivers is certainly on the decline, totally agree with that, but his real bonehead decisions seemed to always come in desperation mode. I think he's the right guy for TB. I expect the defense will be a top 10 unit next year, Evans and Godwin, even Perriman was coming along (I think he is a FA?) <= lets get on that if it's the case(Nearly 500 yards/5 TD's his final 5 games as the primary).. Physical, was high pointing, speed. I'm taking Tampa as my turnaround team if this move goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I hate to be that guy, but I'm sitting here wondering what the HELL this thread has to do with the Buffalo Bills?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Logic said: I hate to be that guy, but I'm sitting here wondering what the HELL this thread has to do with the Buffalo Bills?! If we can get Brady out of the AFC East that would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Logic said: I hate to be that guy, but I'm sitting here wondering what the HELL this thread has to do with the Buffalo Bills?! The board is about the NFL too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I don’t think Arians is gonna stick around in Tampa that long especially if he can’t get a QB in there. Tampa Bay feels like it’s been the place where QBs careers never develop and go die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 19 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Possibly law enforcement, if he shoplifts any more crab legs. BBRF! (Bring Back Ryan Fitzpatrick!) Fitz says he wants to play again this year and Miami says they want him back but he might hit FA to see what offers he gets. While I would enjoy a Fitzmagic return to Buffalo it would be with the dreaded thought that he somehow seems to get the starting gig everywhere he goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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