Nanker Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Jints interviewed Jason Garret for OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) The Bills should reconsider.... Edited January 16, 2020 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Who are the other two? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Boom. I got them right. Thanks Yolo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 TBD has been surprisingly accurate regarding their whipping boys post Rex. Zay Jones, Kelvin Benjamin, Ryan Groy, Russell Bodine, Juan Castillo, Nathan Peterman (post-savior state), Tyrod Taylor, Danny Crossman has all been shaded pretty hard and I don't know think any of these guys have had much success elsewhere yet. Dabol along with Cody Ford are probably the top whipping boys right now. I don't know if Dabol is a good coach but I am pretty sure not simplifying a really complex system for a 2nd year QB with 9 new starters on offense is not a great idea. Of course, Ed Oliver was developing into a whipping boy until he turned it around the second half of the year so the board is not always right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: The offense should have been top 10 or so If you believe this I can see why you are so down on him. Personally I believe this statement to be ridiculous. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, njbuff said: No matter how you slice it............ 2020 could be Daboll’s last year as Bills OC. Either he will do such a good job that someone will hire him as HC or he will be fired for the regression of Allen and the offense. Just a gut feeling and I hope it’s the former. I think this is likely right. The window for where Daboll shows sufficient progress with Josh and the scheme as to be retained but not enough as to at least get numerous interviews next hiring season (and the story from the Browns is he interviewed extremely well) is a pretty small one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Unbelievable everyone here who wants to condemn Daboll for the woes on offense. Sure. Let's forget about the role the head coach plays. Let's forget about the role a young, developing quarterback plays. Does anyone have proof the conservative shift with a lead was from McDermott or Daboll? McDermott is a huge proponent of avoiding turnovers on offense. Hmmm, how to do that with a lead and young QB? Do people realize Josh Allen wasn't consistent enough to always take advantage of Daboll's complex play designs? I witnessed this myself against Cleveland. Does Daboll request Gore be in there or was that McDermott, who is on record as feeling a two RB system is necessary? I agree that sometimes Daboll tried some stuff that was ill conceived (assuming Allen didn't audible), but it was infrequent and I like that he's always trying different approaches. I also saw a lot of diverse, excellently called series to get us down the field and score. Bottom line for me is Daboll isn't perfect but is doing a solid job overall and seems to mesh greatly with Allen who is going into his most important developmental year. Yeah, let's fire him or let him walk?? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Augie said: I’d like to add talent, including some serious playmakers, and see what can happen with another year of growth from Josh. The Browns have had 7 HC’s since 2012 under Haslam. Constant change gets you nowhere. I like that they blocked this. Let’s give it another year. Exactly Augie. Josh and the team need continuity to continue their ascension. I know a lot of you don’t like him, but has done a lot right, and McD has paid attention to the tape and behind closed doors probably explained how he wants to see things change in play calling in certain situations. Defensive coaches watch tape on opposing offenses obviously so know what works and what does not. It will be good for Josh to have the same coordinator for multiple years. My opinion is the Bills made the right call, and for all we know, Daboll asked Beane to decline it to save face as he wanted to be a Bill. He also might have the request as leverage to gain a larger income. None of us know from the inside what went on in this decision. I’m just spit balling, but there are a lot of variables that we will never know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I think Daboll did ok with a developing QB that is hardly a finished product, one capable RB (which really limits what you can do offensively), nine new starters overall on offense (which was a headache all season), a rookie as your top TE ( who can be a monster), no reliable number one target at WR, the continuing revolving door at RT, the OL as a whole playing severely banged up all year. Did I miss anything? All in all, with the right off season additions, the Bills could have their best offense in years and Daboll will be the beneficiary. If it fails, Daboll will be the 2020 scapegoat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) If we can't blame Daboll, then who is to blame? I am so sick of people happy with an Offense that struggles to put teams away, put up 20 points & incapable of passing for 300 yards. The defense was 24th in the league, which I guess is a huge jump from 29-31 the prior two years, but to be satisfied, stupifies me. No I didn't expect a jump like the LA Rams made in 2017, but yes year 2 of Josh I wanted to see a minimum of 5 games that the offense clicked for 4 quarters. Tired of this 9 new players excuse & how some here are so enamored with the Process that they push everything out another year....... Look at John DeFilippo (and no I had no idea who he was either) & how he has got 3 OC jobs & fired after 1 year in each one..... These guys all seem to rebound and some team thinks they are the answer. If someone wants Daboll, good for them & move on..... To me if they are so high on Daboll, then they are down on Allen & think he's the reason the offense ranked as high as 24th, which says little about Allen......? Edited January 16, 2020 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: If we can't blame Daboll, then who is to b;lame? I am so sick of people happy with an Offense that struggles to put teams away, put up 20 points & incapable of passing for 300 yards. Brandon Beane, ultimately. He admitted it himself in his end of season presser too. In his own words he did a "lousy" job with putting together a competitive offense in 2018 and still has "work to do" as compared to the offensive talent he gave the coaches in 2019. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Brandon Beane, ultimately. He admitted it himself in his end of season presser too. In his own words he did a "lousy" job with putting together a competitive offense in 2018 and still has "work to do" as compared to the offensive talent he gave the coaches in 2019. Easy out..... Protect your coaches & in a position of power be able to deflect properly. Still the inability to look proficient on Offense was an issue..... I guess Daboll could show an endless loop of games vs. Miami (and yes the Dallas game too)....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: If we can't blame Daboll, then who is to blame? I am so sick of people happy with an Offense that struggles to put teams away, put up 20 points & incapable of passing for 300 yards. The defense was 24th in the league, which I guess is a huge jump from 29-31 the prior two years, but to be satisfied, stupifies me. No I didn't expect a jump like the LA Rams made in 2017, but yes year 2 of Josh I wanted to see a minimum of 5 games that the offense clicked for 4 quarters. Tired of this 9 new players excuse & how some here are so enamored with the Process that they push everything out another year....... Look at John DeFilippo (and no I had no idea who he was either) & how he has got 3 OC jobs & fired after 1 year in each one..... These guys all seem to rebound and some team thinks they are the answer. If someone wants Daboll, good for them & move on..... To me if they are so high on Daboll, then they are down on Allen & think he's the reason the offense ranked as high as 24th, which says little about Allen......? Huh? The Defense was #2 in the league....maybe you meant Offense? If so, then the rest of it makes sense. I don't agree with your opinion, but at least it explains the rest of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 BUt mY 300 yArdZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Easy out..... Protect your coaches & in a position of power be able to deflect properly. Still the inability to look proficient on Offense was an issue..... I guess Daboll could show an endless loop of games vs. Miami (and yes the Dallas game too)....... I disagree. The main problem on offense remains talent. Brandon Beane knows that and he knows that he has to help. The coaching has a role to play too. The young guys - Knox, Ford, Singletary, Sweeney etc need to be developed. But they need to add top end talent. That is inarguable. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said: I’m happy they blocked it. We’ve had a few teams sniffing around assistant coaches and coordinators. I like the bills sending the message that unless it’s early in the hiring process and a substantial promotion there shouldn’t be a request. And by promotion it means HC. Because every other position can be blocked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Huh? The Defense was #2 in the league....maybe you meant Offense? If so, then the rest of it makes sense. I don't agree with your opinion, but at least it explains the rest of your post. Oops Offence!!!!! My bad.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 If he has a good year this year, he'll be a head coach next year. Let him show what he can do with an offense that will largely return next year. He had crap to work with year 1, year 2 was better but everyone was new. This should be a good year for him to show his chops. I expect a top 10 offense. Not necessarily top 5 but at least they should be consistently good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And by promotion it means HC. Because every other position can be blocked. For sure. If position coaches were getting coordinator offers I think in most cases the Bills would let them interview even if they are not obliged to. However, the later you get into Jan the more disruptive that becomes and the more likely a team are to say no. You only ever let you coorindators move laterally if you are about to move on from them anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: his play calling has set this offense back Disagree, a bit. 1. Calling more passes and fewer runs has likely accelerated Josh's development as a passer. 2. Often plays were there, but the execution was not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Three years of the same coaching hierarchy in Buffalo? That's unheard of! It’s unpossible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Mark Vader said: Daboll is an enigma. He can be very frustrating. All that aside, if the Bills think he's the best person for the job, then I will accept that. This is where I'm at. While I'm somewhat indifferent to Daboll (don't love him, don't hate him), Coach McDermott has earned my trust through three seasons, and if he believes that Daboll is the right man for the job, then so be it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I think Daboll spent much of this year trying out ideas to see what our skill guys could do reliably. I do think next year the offense should look much better with continuity and should jump up to top 12. If not then let him go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Will I say I'm certain Daboll is an amazing coordinator? no. However, Josh Allen is progressing, and that's enough for me to say let the show go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Judge Judy is hell bent on bringing in as many ex-Pats as he can. Poached multiple from Flores staff already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 If I'm daboll i wouldn't want the oc job for the giants. He's spent the last 2 years grooming Allen and now he'd have to essentially start from scratch with a new offense. Can't imagine it'd be THAT much more money either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Was never a big Daboll fan because of some of the personnel groupings he uses and some of his situational calls but when you dissect this offense, we're leaving a lot of plays on the field that should be positive plays. Mainly because of Josh missing them and some poor execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: No. I thought this was a thing at least a few years ago. Maybe the NFL changed it? As I recall, teams would give guys that assistant head coach title to prevent lateral moves. I think Bobby April may have had that title for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Only reason he would go is Jones is a superior prospect to Allen. Guy looked pretty special this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 They WILL end up with Jason Garrett. He is a perfect fit. They need someone with head coaching experience to help the new guy navigate the waters. Plus, Garrett will get to face Jerry twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: BUT TSW tells us all the time that Daboll is terrible! Why the interest? And both of the teams interested have young QBs that they need developed the right way. Maybe some people around the league think Daboll is doing a good enough job with Josh to try to hire him. Heck, if I were those teams, I would bring in the O coordinators and QB coaches for all the teams with young QBs just to have the conversation. What worked or didn't work with your guy? What would you do differently? If you were hired here how would you handle our young QB? It's like free consulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) This is just stupid...why would a team try to interview someone for a lateral move? As if the team they are requesting permission from is just going to be like "Oh sure, go interview him, we will just find someone else" 26 minutes ago, CheshireCT said: Will I say I'm certain Daboll is an amazing coordinator? no. However, Josh Allen is progressing, and that's enough for me to say let the show go on. Yeah, this is a situation where a lot people would be wise to "be careful what you ask for". We don't know how much Daboll is responsible for Allen's progression from year 1 to year 2, but from people in the know its considered A LOT. Replace the OC and you could see Allen regress and potentially regress badly from year 2 to year 3. Edited January 16, 2020 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Why couldn't Daboll have been allowed to interview for the position? Good way to get rid of his bearded bowling ball head without having to fire him. I don't know...Maybe the smarter people are not firing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Three years of the same coaching hierarchy in Buffalo? That's unheard of! this will have benefits if they also stabalize the players as well. Knowing the system is key to making it work. Should have a lot of that next season...not 9 new starters on the O particularily. (if we can resign them, anyhow) Daboll is part of Josh Allen's progression, and that is what the rest of the league is noticing. Bringing on a young Daniel Jones is what the G men had in mind. Denying interview for a laterial is fine....give Daboll a raise and an attaboy. Edited January 16, 2020 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: GTFOH Giants. I’m glad the Bills denied it. There’s no reason to let Daboll interview for a lateral move unless the Bills are trying to get rid of him (which quite clearly they’re not). I want continuity for Josh and the entire offense. Daboll has been good for Allen’s development so far and there’s no reason to mess with that IMO. People like to assume a new OC would be better for Allen but the opposite could also be true. If most of us agree that Josh is developing pretty nicely so far, why do people want to mess with that? I’ve been a Bills fan (and a sports fan in general) long enough to know that the next hire isn’t always automatically better than the previous one. This "grass is always greener in the other guy's yard" attitude of fans always drives me nuts. As if it's a foregone conclusion anybody they bring in is going to be better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 41 minutes ago, Steptide said: If I'm daboll i wouldn't want the oc job for the giants. He's spent the last 2 years grooming Allen and now he'd have to essentially start from scratch with a new offense. Can't imagine it'd be THAT much more money either More money in the NYC area won't buy as much as he has in this area......not to mention his family in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Giants Fans take https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=593913 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Glad to have him back. I expect our offense to explode under Daboll year 3. Barring a catastrophic injury to Josh Allen I think we go deep in the playoffs next year. I find it awesome that Allen has the same teacher 3 years in a row. We have talent on the offensive side of the ball but we’re still really rough around the edges. OL needs to be tweaked, need to drastically rehaul the skill positions, but the meat and potatoes is there. Edited January 16, 2020 by Sunshower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dr. K said: This "grass is always greener in the other guy's yard" attitude of fans always drives me nuts. As if it's a foregone conclusion anybody they bring in is going to be better. I am not sure the question that needs to be asked is "will someone else be better"? The first question that needs to be asked is "Will Daboll be good enough to lead make the offense championship caliber?" If the answer is yes, then the questions stop there. If the answer is no, then the next question is "Is my goal really too win the championship?". If the answer to that question is yes, then the next question Among the hundreds of college head coaches, NFL position coaches and ex-NFL head coaches and OC, is there someone who MIGHT be good enough to build a championship offense. If the answer to tha t question is yes, then hire that person. If the answer to that question is no, then you have have to find a new goal other than winning the championship. In the words of the fictional but brilliant Reese Bobby "If you ain't first, you're last." sidenote, Mr. Bobby later recanted saying he must have been high when he made the initial statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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