stinky finger Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, cage said: Man, if there was one guy I didn't want the Bills to draft last year it was DK Metcalf.... would he ever be an asset to Josh Allen in hindsight. Would have made a hell of a 2nd round pick True dat. And Brady in the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Could have had him instead of Ford, who they traded UP for Tackle is still infinitely more important than WR And you need to give a lineman a few years You CAN find a WR anywhere from round 1-4 Hell you can find WRs in round 7 and UDFA... There are more WRs with draft eligible grades now than ever before And the tackles with draft eligible grades are getting smaller by the year Hindsight is always 2020 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You CAN find a WR anywhere from round 1-4 Hell you can find WRs in round 7 and UDFA... so far Mcclappy and Beane disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, cage said: Man, if there was one guy I didn't want the Bills to draft last year it was DK Metcalf.... would he ever be an asset to Josh Allen in hindsight. Would have made a hell of a 2nd round pick I was also really down on Metcalf. Started slow, but has heated up as the year has gone on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Good for Metcalf, but I'm still fine with who we drafted. Although I was hoping for Deebo Samuel. Thus is life, you don't always get what you want. This year, I am hoping the Bills draft at least 2 receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: A potentially great RT is definitely NOT more important than a potentially great WR.... not even close. Both tackles spots are very important and maybe the bills have lagged behind because they didn't value it for a decade Tons of the premier edge rushers come off the RT side so I don't want to hear how it's not important. Von to JJ to tons of other greats primarily line over the RT.. so would I take Lane Johnson ? And the word potentially you said is key... DK can potentially be great and so can Ford Edited January 6, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I still won’t apologize. We are one year in and he has Russel Wilson throwing him the rock. He’s better than advertised as far as only running straight line routes but come on it’s Russel Wilson. Everyone is open during his scramble drills. Seattle was the best possible landing spot in the world for him. I know the criticism coming out was that he could only run straight line routes, that's not true, but even when he does, he's really effective. He's playing extremely well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Where the eff is Winslow anyway Somewhere in Jersey, I think..can’t you tell by his irritating accent? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: I know this thread is about Metcalf but even if you assume that Beane did not see the value, it does not excuse adding more talent at the receiving position. Emmanuel Sanders was available in the middle of the season. He could be had and yet we did not try/outbid the 49ers. He would have been a great vet presence on and off the field for a young QB. There was no excuse not to get him If I had to guess, Beane probably liked John Brown better, and He wasn’t going to pay both Brown and Sanders— they are pretty similar receivers. I think where Beane went wrong was not looking for a “big” receiver to add to the speed and quickness guys we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: I know this thread is about Metcalf but even if you assume that Beane did not see the value, it does not excuse adding more talent at the receiving position. Emmanuel Sanders was available in the middle of the season. He could be had and yet we did not try/outbid the 49ers. He would have been a great vet presence on and off the field for a young QB. There was no excuse not to get him The 49ers are sending a third- and fourth-round pick to the Broncos in exchange for Sanders and a fifth-round pick Would you really give up MORE than a 3rd and 4th round pick for a 32 yr old WR that is going to be a free agent next season? I was surprised the broncos got that much for him. I guess if they win the superbowl it will be worth it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, wppete said: I believe Metcalf is his only Draft mistake. Still one of the best GMs in sports! Beane has accomplished nothing real here yet until we win the division we can't say this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 DK > Oliver at this point in their careers. DK is a game changer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregPersons Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, wppete said: I believe Metcalf is his only Draft mistake. Still one of the best GMs in sports! I mean I like him just fine I guess, but is he actually one of the best GMs in sports... or do you just like fair-haired men in designer sunglasses? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: If I had to guess, Beane probably liked John Brown better, and He wasn’t going to pay both Brown and Sanders— they are pretty similar receivers. I think where Beane went wrong was not looking for a “big” receiver to add to the speed and quickness guys we have. This is upcoming draft is a WR draft with very few OTs and keeping Josh upright was/is more important... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Can we all remember threads like this as we start talking about the draft here shortly? Next time we are POSITIVE that ________ is never going to be an NFL player, think back to this thread. Think back to a guy that you were 100% wrong on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Can we all remember threads like this as we start talking about the draft here shortly? Next time we are POSITIVE that ________ is never going to be an NFL player, think back to this thread. Think back to a guy that you were 100% wrong on. There’s always Ryan Finley’s though that justify those statements ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Sad part is whenever the bills trade up for players, it never seems to work out so well... Wrong!!! Dawkins, Allen, Edmunds, Knox. Let me guess, you're an Allen hater. Front Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Could have had him instead of Ford, who they traded UP for Ford will be a solid lineman for years to come. Bills will get a WR in FA or draft this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Tackle is still infinitely more important than WR And you need to give a lineman a few years You CAN find a WR anywhere from round 1-4 Hell you can find WRs in round 7 and UDFA... There are more WRs with draft eligible grades now than ever before And the tackles with draft eligible grades are getting smaller by the year Hindsight is always 2020 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Ford will be a solid lineman for years to come. Bills will get a WR in FA or draft this year. The problem is Ford has no business at RT. He may become a mainstay at G, but he doesn't have it at T. If you have access to The Athletic look at the grades they give each game. Ford has graded out well when playing guard, but is the lowest rated Bills player on the list of players who qualify for season long grades because he grades out so poorly when playing RT. Edited January 6, 2020 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Can we all remember threads like this as we start talking about the draft here shortly? Next time we are POSITIVE that ________ is never going to be an NFL player, think back to this thread. Think back to a guy that you were 100% wrong on. I was so wrong about McCaffrey. Didn't think he would hold up to the pounding and be a between the tackles RB. So far I've been mostly right about Darnold not being good. Herbert will be the next QB bust. He looks the part but simply doesn't make plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, familykwi said: I don't think he'd have the same productivity with Josh that he has with Wilson. We would not be singing his praises the same way as a result. That said, he'd be a nice toy to play with. I absolutely think he would have had the same impact with Josh Allen....Josh throws to a lesser version of Metcalf in Duke Williams just fine.....and Duke has make some plays and he has dropped some big balls that were catchable (some for touchdowns) at key moments That said? I am STILL ok with drafting Cody Ford because ppl just get short sighted on things....we did not know what we were going to have in Spain and Jon F. this year and Cody Ford is going to be a VERY good OG.....you need these guys to to protect your Josh Allen investment (who is not going anywhere) and the offense is NOT COMPLETE yet. PPl forget that that this team just came out of a full blown rebiuld....we did NOT retool..... I am perfectly fine with Beane's draft....and there is a strategy to it to me especially in the 1st round - Tre White draft - supposed to be a very strong corner draft....and it was - The Josh Allen draft - supposed to be a very strong corner draft.....young stars are coming out of it - The Ed Oliver draft - supposed to be a very strong down linemen draft....Ed Oliver is a stud - Now we come to this draft....supposed to be a very strong WR (and edge) draft..... I am hoping he continues to follow suit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: The problem is Ford has no business at RT. He may become a mainstay at G, but he doesn't have it at T. If you have access to The Athletic look at the grades they give each game. Ford has graded out well when playing guard, but is the lowest rated Bills player on the list of players who qualify for season long grades because he grades out so poorly when playing RT. None of us know that. He got better at RT as the season went on. O-line play in college is awful. Give him another offseason and he may be fine. At worst he is probably a very good guard but if he can play RT it solves a lot of issues on the line next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: The problem is Ford has no business at RT. He may become a mainstay at G, but he doesn't have it at T. If you have access to The Athletic look at the grades they give each game. Ford has graded out well when playing guard, but is the lowest rated Bills player on the list of players who qualify for season long grades because he grades out so poorly when playing RT. The athletic isn't a football Bible and lots of lineman take more than 1 season Line play around the league is down because lineman aren't coming out ready as much.. Look at the other tackles drafted in the same draft He did better than a good amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: None of us know that. He got better at RT as the season went on. O-line play in college is awful. Give him another offseason and he may be fine. At worst he is probably a very good guard but if he can play RT it solves a lot of issues on the line next year I'd rather re-sign Waddle, keep Nsekhe and move Ford to guard ASAP. I don't look at film & I don't know if you do either, but Joe Buscaglia does some pretty intense film study and has said Ford belongs at guard, not tackle & I trust his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: My heart warms weekly with posts like these. Yes, you totally called this on draft night—I recall trying to cheer you up with Oliver memes about his horse and what not ; but turns out a true #1 WR sometimes isn’t a luxury after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Tackle is still infinitely more important than WR And you need to give a lineman a few years You CAN find a WR anywhere from round 1-4 Hell you can find WRs in round 7 and UDFA... There are more WRs with draft eligible grades now than ever before And the tackles with draft eligible grades are getting smaller by the year Hindsight is always 2020 Disagree - in our situation. I would rather have had DK as a target for josh than having another OT. Josh would have been further along in his development because he would have had an option instead of playing hero ball. Basically I think he could have started to get the ball out on time with DK and would have rather have that occurring this year. Of course, it didn't need to be one or the other; we could have used the Singletary and Knox picks to move up into the bottom of the second round to get DK. I would have been ok with shady or cj anderson at rb and whoever at te this year to make that happen. Pretty steep price to pay but would have been worth it. We would have come out of the draft with three first round talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 hours ago, cage said: Man, if there was one guy I didn't want the Bills to draft last year it was DK Metcalf.... would he ever be an asset to Josh Allen in hindsight. Would have made a hell of a 2nd round pick i wanted him alot and was pissed and confused about it, kind of like this playoff loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 well well, its that time of the season again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, cage said: Maybe Beane's next QB choice after Allen was Lamar Jackson? And he would look like Tyrod 2.0 in s Bills uniform. Greg Roman has designed an offense to develop him. He is great but needed a Roman to be successful. 3 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Disagree - in our situation. I would rather have had DK as a target for josh than having another OT. Josh would have been further along in his development because he would have had an option instead of playing hero ball. Basically I think he could have started to get the ball out on time with DK and would have rather have that occurring this year. Of course, it didn't need to be one or the other; we could have used the Singletary and Knox picks to move up into the bottom of the second round to get DK. I would have been ok with shady or cj anderson at rb and whoever at te this year to make that happen. Pretty steep price to pay but would have been worth it. We would have come out of the draft with three first round talents. Singletary is going to be one of the best backs in the league for the next few years. I would not give that pick back for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: DK > Oliver at this point in their careers. DK is a game changer 100% correct. One is a top flight wr, the other a rotational DT who was largely invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: 100% correct. One is a top flight wr, the other a rotational DT who was largely invisible. I will always give you props for being correct about DK. He's a stud and a major part of a great offense. I still think Oliver was a solid pick, given the state of the Bills at the time of the draft. We can agree to disagree on that; but I will easily admit that I was wrong about Metcalf. Dude's the real deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: I know this thread is about Metcalf but even if you assume that Beane did not see the value, it does not excuse adding more talent at the receiving position. Emmanuel Sanders was available in the middle of the season. He could be had and yet we did not try/outbid the 49ers. He would have been a great vet presence on and off the field for a young QB. There was no excuse not to get him There was no "win now" mentality in the front office. That could be a huge mistake with the schedule next year. You never know what can happen from season to season in the NFL, so I don't understand the lack of urgency to take advantage of the weakest schedule in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Where the eff is Winslow anyway South Jersey, about halfway from Philthadelphia to Atlantic City. In the Pines. 6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: The athletic isn't a football Bible and lots of lineman take more than 1 season Line play around the league is down because lineman aren't coming out ready as much.. Look at the other tackles drafted in the same draft He did better than a good amount That's like saying he's the prettiest girl in the ugly chick sorority. HEes still pretty ugly from a play perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: You should dwell on this for the next five years or so at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: This I will disagree with. He’s actually perfect for Allen. Just put it somewhere in his vicinity to go up and get it. Except like 10 yards overthrown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Ed Oliver is a stud Please prove that statement. He had two really good games, and the rest of the year did next to nothing. Could he become a good rotational DT? Sure. Is that worth a #9 pick? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 It’s worth mentioning that people were arguing whether to take Metcalf with our 9th overall pick. That was nuts. Many of us who didn’t want to see that would’ve been happy to have the Bills trade up into the back of the second round to grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That was nuts. ORLY? Look strictly at production, and tell me again it was nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Beane can't find WRs... Get FA We s that you know are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 To me he is one of those guys that when everything is going right and the team is winning he is a model citizen. Lets see what happens when things go south for the Seaturds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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