dave mcbride Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) This is an issue for the off-season, but as I watched Barkley yesterday, I concluded that this is not a guy that can you to 2-2 over a four-game stretch when the starter goes down. That means he shouldn't be the backup QB, because that ability to get you to 2-2 over that stretch is the baseline requirement of the backup QB. I will admit to being snookered by his once-in-a-lifetime performance against the Jets last season, but man was he godawful yesterday. He had 3 turnovers and should have had 5 (one of which was reversed by a truly terrible officiating decision). He simply can't make all the throws, and he's the sort of player who is going to throw a couple of picks every game in which the score is remotely close because the floating duck is a core part of his repertoire. Plus his multiple slip-ups and staggers led to something like three free TFLs for the Jets. I'd prefer not to spend a draft pick on a backup prospect. Who is going to be available on the open market next season? The seemingly obvious choices - Dalton, Eli, Rivers, Mariota - are not going to want to be backups in Buffalo (all would of course be major upgrades). Brissett strikes me as an ideal backup, but he's not available. Anyone have any idea of viable candidates who will be on the market in the spring? (Before anyone gets any ideas, Fitz is under contract next season.) I mean, I could see staying with Barkley because he knows the offense and seems like a decent guy, but there's gotta be an upgrade out there, right? Edited December 30, 2019 by dave mcbride 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Brady? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Brady? Nah, I don't think he can get us to 2-2. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Rosen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Yeah, he really stinks. Not sure what happened to that guy who put up 30+ on the jets in 2018, but he lost it somewhere along the way. Need an upgrade there next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Mariota is an intriguing one to me, but he’ll likely end up fighting for a job somewhere, or at least going somewhere with the door open. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 i dont see him as an issue. sure he played bad, but he played with all back ups. 9 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Nah, I don't think he can get us to 2-2. Obviously I was joking, but this is a great topic and something we entirely need to look at. I like the rapport that he and Allen have, the offseason workouts and such - I do think that counts for a lot, but it is a weak link on this team... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I wonder if the Jags would pay us to take Foles contract off their hands.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 He may have done better with Brown and Beasley in also. But have to keep in mind the Oline that was blocking for him wasn't doing so well. With the starting Oline and starting WR's he could have been better. But anyways.... will see what happens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 If Andy Dalton wasn't too much money and was happy to be back up an mentor Josh, I'd take him. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Beach said: i dont see him as an issue. sure he played bad, but he played with all back ups. ...and when did he last play?......one start in 2018?......think there could be some "ring rust" as well as many new faces in 2019 vs 2018?......naw, TBDers say "he sucks....a goner"......a shocker.... Edited December 30, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Wonder what's going to happen with Foles. If he gets cut he might be the picture of best NFL back up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Beach said: i dont see him as an issue. sure he played bad, but he played with all back ups. I would assume those are the same players he gets his limited reps with during the week? OP, I agree he was perfect against the Jets. There needs to be an upgrade in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) As mentioned some of the starters were not on the field. He is also only 28 and next season has around a $2 million cap hit/salary. No chance is he going anywhere. plow the money into another wr and improve the online. Edited December 30, 2019 by Charlottebillsfan2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, Charlottebillsfan2 said: As mentioned some of the starters were not on the field. He is also only 28 and next season has around a $2 million cap hit/salary. No chance is he going anywhere. plow the money into another we and improve the online. agreed. You can’t judge him based on a game where he had to play with all the backups. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The Bills make the playoffs and now TBD is complaining about backup QB's............. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 He was bad. But it looked like part of the poor performance was rust. Coming in cold in crappy rainy weather, to play with a bunch of other guys who haven't played in live action for months is not easy. Not that that he was great, but he looked a lot more comfortable in the 2nd half once he and the other back-ups got warmed up. 1st half : 9 attempts for 29 yards, 1 sack, 1 INT 2nd half: 26 attempts for 202 yards, no sacks, 1 INT You could do worse for a back-up QB. Could do better too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: If Andy Dalton wasn't too much money and was happy to be back up an mentor Josh, I'd take him. Dalton is a solid number 2 that can carve out a nice paycheck in the NFL for the next 4 years or so if he is accepting of that. I would love to have him as our 2. Barclay is so bad I really do not even want him as a 3. 1 minute ago, Seasons1992 said: The Bills make the playoffs and now TBD is complaining about backup QB's............. I do not think most are complaining- it is just a very realistic observation that QB depth will be an area of need this upcoming offseason. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said: He was bad. But it looked like part of the poor performance was rust. Coming in cold in crappy rainy weather, to play with a bunch of other guys who haven't played in live action for months is not easy. Not that that he was great, but he looked a lot more comfortable in the 2nd half once he and the other back-ups got warmed up. 1st half : 9 attempts for 29 yards, 1 sack, 1 INT 2nd half: 26 attempts for 202 yards, no sacks, 1 INT You could do worse for a back-up QB. Could do better too. He was bad vs NE too. He fumbled twice (one was bizarrely reversed) and the Jets dropped another pick. He cannot make the throws. Yeah, backups played too, but he himself looked like the opposite of an athlete out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said: He was bad. But it looked like part of the poor performance was rust. Coming in cold in crappy rainy weather, to play with a bunch of other guys who haven't played in live action for months is not easy. Not that that he was great, but he looked a lot more comfortable in the 2nd half once he and the other back-ups got warmed up. 1st half : 9 attempts for 29 yards, 1 sack, 1 INT 2nd half: 26 attempts for 202 yards, no sacks, 1 INT You could do worse for a back-up QB. Could do better too. 2 picks, fumbles, and put nothing in the endzone- color me happy with his performance. His pocket presence was lousy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) Not for nothing but you are judging the guy when the Bills 2 starting WRs were out, one of starting TEs, the starting RB and half the OL. I’m not a Barkley fan by any stretch and the Bills could do better there but don’t you think you are weighting yesterday’s performance a tad too much? With that many players not playing, Josh would’ve struggled... and did in his 2 series. Edited December 30, 2019 by Wayne Cubed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Beach said: i dont see him as an issue. sure he played bad, but he played with all back ups. On top of that...he wasn’t exclusively the starter in practice throughout the week....coming in during the game is much different than starting the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I agree a better backup is needed. Allen’s playing style asks for an injury here and there, and we need somebody who can keep us afloat. Gotta believe Beane is aware of this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 A better backup QB should get us over the top. We lost 4 because Frank sucked 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: If Andy Dalton wasn't too much money and was happy to be back up an mentor Josh, I'd take him. Yes - Dalton. Perfect fit! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, Beach said: i dont see him as an issue. sure he played bad, but he played with all back ups. ^ this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I think someone else is brought in following FA or drafted late to challenge and probably beat out Barkley in 2020.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The responses to this topic certainly show that the saying is true - the backup qb is the most popular guy in the team. The Bills have the money and with Allen’s playing style they must get a better backup for next year. I realize he was not playing with the starters, but nothing he did yesterday instilled any confidence that he could handle multiple starts in a row. Seems like a good guy, but I think getting another qb to back up Josh has to be on the list of things to do in the offseason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I wouldn't be opposed to seeing what is on the market. But I am not sure Barkely is that much better or worse than your average backup QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) True Barkley didn't play well without RB#1, wr#1, wr#2, TE#1 and without most of the regulars on the OL. Having said that and despite all this, if he starts yesterday's game instead of Josh and add the 2 drops he probably thow the first 300 yarder for the Bills in years. I would give him a chance and Josh and him have a good relationship. Edited December 30, 2019 by Curt Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Lets be honest most teams are dead in the water if the qb1 goes down for anything more than a couple of games. That said they will at least bring into camp arm so maybe they find a upgrade. Whats Kyle Orton doing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Lol Barkley was the man??? Right? Last season he was a hero, he was called for in multiple game day threads this year. Now he sucks ?? I say go sign Kyle Allen from Carolina. They have Grier and will be heavily in the market for a quarterback if they trade cam. The Allen/Allen combo will save the announcers from messing up the names. I do like the kid though. He’s an ideal kinda backup guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I think many of us fans give Barkley too much credit. The guy has been awful since his senior year at USC. He is a lower tier backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Irv said: Yes - Dalton. Perfect fit! The Bills are paying very little for QB's while Josh is on his rookie deal. Dalton is paid cheap starter money but also you'd have to give up a pick for him. Very unlikely IMO as Beane covets his picks for young talent. I don't think it would be crazy for the Bengals to trade their first pick and keep Andy. They can get a boatload for it, they have a lot of needs and I think Dalton is a winner on a good team. I'm sure this comment will generate some criticism but Andy over the next 3 years might be as good as any rookie coming in, even Burrow will take some time to adapt to the NFL. As for Barkley, he didn't inspire confidence yesterday but to me it points to the need for the Bills to further improve their run game also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, NJKBillsfan said: Do you people realize Barkley was playing with BACKUPS? It's laughable that anyone would try to evaluate his performance playing with 2nd/3rd stringers. I’d also evaluate his performance based on what I’ve seen his entire career, including yesterday. The Jets game last year was an anomaly, and most of this board chooses to remember that. Barkley is not a good backup in any sense of the word imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...and when did he last play?......one start in 2018?......think there could be some "ring rust" as well as many new faces in 2019 vs 2018?......naw, TBDers say "he sucks....a goner"......a shocker.... What I saw yesterday wasn't just rust, and I like Barkley. The velocity on his throws was completely gone. I mean like a 75 mph fastball gone. I mean Chad Pennington with tendonitis gone. I have no doubt the coaches will be upgrading Matt this spring with someone who has similar size/style as Josh. So the offense doesn't have to change much. Sorry Matt but we'll always have that Jets game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: How do you figure he's not a good QB? He threw for over 230 yards in awful weather conditions... to put that in perspective Allen typically only throws for maybe 130-150 yds/game. Right now one could easily make the argument that Barkley is better than Allen. He has zero pocket awareness, panics at the first sign of pressure, turnover prone, fumbles and picks galore, and very bad ones at that. A ton of his yardage came in garbage time trailing by ten, which is something the Allen led Bills haven’t played in much to pile up those stats. Honestly, I’m probably biased though. I watched him at USC where he was overrated , and followed him with the Bears and Eagles where he was also terrible. I’m just not willing to believe he has improved enough to trust him in a backup role. 7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: What I saw yesterday wasn't just rust, and I like Barkley. The velocity on his throws was completely gone. I mean like a 75 mph fastball gone. I mean Chad Pennington with tendonitis gone. I have no doubt the coaches will be upgrading Matt this spring with someone who has similar size/style as Josh. So the offense doesn't have to change much. Sorry Matt but we'll always have that Jets game. He never had an good arm, and that is a big problem. Edited December 31, 2019 by SirAndrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) He hadn't played in months, had no starting receivers on the field, and it was raining buckets at 35 degrees. Edited December 31, 2019 by skibum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Somewhat disagree. Although Barkley could likely be upgraded next year, I think the Jets pose a more difficult match up for any backup qb. They've got a solid defense that's carried them the second half of the year. Also - Barkley was playing without the Beasley/Cole/Singeltary... so he wasn't necessarily set up for success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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