RyanC883 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 who is likely defensive rookie of the year candidate? I have no idea. As for Ed, he's produced less than I would like, but he's basically had 2+ years off by playing at Houston. He seems to be acclimating to the NFL. If he has this level of production next year I'll be worried. And I'd extend Phillips now. Dude is a beast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Bills have added very good depth at this position over past 2 years with good draft picks and free agent signings: Oliver and Harry, and Star, Phillips, Taylor (he will be productive) and now Luiget. Edited November 25, 2019 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Does worry me a bit if he's going to be one of these guys that always needs extra motivation. Granted he's only a rookie who likely has had it easy all his life as he was always the best player on the field which now is no longer true. So he could learn a life lesson or will this become a year to year thing with him? We shall see. Having said that, agree he has looked much better. Also may simply be after 10 weeks, the game has finally started to slow down for him. I don't think his issue is motivation, rather I think it's learning to play within McD's system. The dude's motor is going every play. On a side note, it looked like Ed should get an assist for Shaq's second sack, as the C was looking to help the RG on that play when Shaq blew by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: who is likely defensive rookie of the year candidate? Nick Bosa is DROY and it isn't close. Kyler Murray will probably be OROY but it's not a particularly strong field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: 10 LBs is a big deal though, and as you just pointed out, Atkins, who is one of the very best, recognized that he needed to get bigger and stronger. Again, I could be wrong. Fortunately we’ll have the opportunity to see next season. I could agree to that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: who is likely defensive rookie of the year candidate? I have no idea. As for Ed, he's produced less than I would like, but he's basically had 2+ years off by playing at Houston. He seems to be acclimating to the NFL. If he has this level of production next year I'll be worried. And I'd extend Phillips now. Dude is a beast. Yeah, I’d agree. Oliver needed/needs time to adjust to the NFL like all rookies. But his time at Houston slowed his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 hours ago, H2o said: This was for all of those talking about him being such because he wasn't the DPOY version of Aaron Donald from week 1 on. I don’t remember anyone saying, “Ed Oliver is a bust,” on this board, but enjoy dunking on their fictional selves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: I don’t remember anyone saying, “Ed Oliver is a bust,” on this board, but enjoy dunking on their fictional selves. Okay buddy. The search function is your friend. Pretty sure there was a thread recently, like within the last 3 weeks recent, about his reduced amount of snaps where numerous people were talking ..... Maybe even yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He's been playing better of late, but I am guessing that they'll ask him to bulk up a bit this offseason. Hopefully he can do that without losing too much of that quick first step. Hopefully his best days are still ahead. The real question is, how high is his ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 https://twitter.com/snapflow69/status/1198735933618692097?s=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, H2o said: Okay buddy. The search function is your friend. Pretty sure there was a thread recently, like within the last 3 weeks recent, about his reduced amount of snaps where numerous people were talking ..... Maybe even yourself. Yeah I’m sure there was a thread about how his snaps got cut, that doesn’t mean he was called a bust. This is pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Who in the hell thinks Ed Oliver is a bust? Some people need to go watch some football??. He’s gonna get better as time goes on, sky’s the limit for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Harrison Philips is only 305 pounds You can get stronger without adding 15 pounds... Geno Atkins who is comparable in size to Oliver played 90% of his career under 300 pounds Just got to like 305 last 2 years I think you are right, as he was brought in as a one-gap DT not a two-gap DT or NT. His build, style of play, his burst, low pad level, and pursuit reminded scouts of Aaron Donald sans all the success and proven ability:) I think he is 10-15 lbs heavier than Donald, and I don't think the Bills want him much heavier. His game is speed and power leveraged to be a penetrating disruptive DT not a wide-bodied run-stuffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Yeah I’m sure there was a thread about how his snaps got cut, that doesn’t mean he was called a bust. This is pretty simple. Like I said, the search function is your friend. That wasn't the only one, thread where people have said it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Harrison Philips is only 305 pounds You can get stronger without adding 15 pounds... Geno Atkins who is comparable in size to Oliver played 90% of his career under 300 pounds Just got to like 305 last 2 years And Kawaan Short. Came into the league under 300lbs. I know he is more like 310-315 now but he has added that weight gradually and some of his better seasons were right around that 305 mark. 6 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Yeah I’m sure there was a thread about how his snaps got cut, that doesn’t mean he was called a bust. This is pretty simple. And as I said at the time... his snaps being cut was as much about the Bills desperately trying to get bigger bodies out there to clog up lanes in the run game than anything Oliver was doing "badly". Weeks when they wanted to use their heavy package a lot they had Star out there more. Last week against the Dolphins when they wanted to get after the passer Star's snaps were "cut" and Oliver was out there more. The fact is the Bills rotate their interior Dline a lot and while it is true that Oliver has lost that "starter" tag to Jordan Phillips he is still an important part of what they are doing defensively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Oh he is improving. Finding his feet and getting confident. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Never was... he was playing well... just wasnt showing in stat sheet. Now he is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Doesn't look like a bust today 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 He’s just getting warmed up!!!!! Amazing draft pick! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Never was a bust. Rookie growing into his role. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 the guy is a beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Wooooooo!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 sacks as a rookie with 4 and a half games to play. Go look how that compares to the league's best 3 current 3 techs. Other than Aaron Donald (who had 8 or 9) it compares very favourably. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I dunno, is Zay Jones still a bust? A lot of people claimed he was a bust his rookie year, but others argued he would be fine, it was just adjusting to the NFL and needed a couple years. Now that those years have passed, how I'm guessing he's killing it now? Point being, giving these guys more time doesn't necessarily change anything. Some players you can tell when they're rookies, others need that time. Aaron Maybin was a bust right away, Oliver could go either way. We don't now yet, but pointing to a game or 2 for either side of the argument doesn't make sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Big Ed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: I dunno, is Zay Jones still a bust? A lot of people claimed he was a bust his rookie year, but others argued he would be fine, it was just adjusting to the NFL and needed a couple years. Now that those years have passed, how I'm guessing he's killing it now? Point being, giving these guys more time doesn't necessarily change anything. Some players you can tell when they're rookies, others need that time. Aaron Maybin was a bust right away, Oliver could go either way. We don't now yet, but pointing to a game or 2 for either side of the argument doesn't make sense. Dude, make room for a different kind of bird, Crow. This kid just gave a dominating performance on national tv FFS. Instead of being optimistic, you're trying to keep his progress grounded with pathetic comparisons. And it wasn't just this game, he's played solid the last 2. Give more credit and stop trying to diagnose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Ed’s been balling out the past few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Balled out today. Showed what he is capable of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboTronic Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 11/24/2019 at 6:12 PM, Warcodered said: He's doing well but I can only imagine how many sacks D.K. Metcalf would have by now. You won this thread, good job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Never would have thought Ed Oliver went to college in Houston LOL STATEMENT GAME 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 11/24/2019 at 10:51 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said: Who in the hell thinks Ed Oliver is a bust? Some people need to go watch some football??. He’s gonna get better as time goes on, sky’s the limit for him there were quite a few here that called him a bust not so long ago. Most of them have owned up to being wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 his motor will make sure he is not bust Still too early to tll if he'll be a superstar but he's trending in the right direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I think thete is some revisionist history going on here. After the Eagles games most Bills fans were extremely concerned about his future. Oliver has started the process of making most of us wrong. Thank God for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, BigDingus said: I dunno, is Zay Jones still a bust? A lot of people claimed he was a bust his rookie year, but others argued he would be fine, it was just adjusting to the NFL and needed a couple years. Now that those years have passed, how I'm guessing he's killing it now? Point being, giving these guys more time doesn't necessarily change anything. Some players you can tell when they're rookies, others need that time. Aaron Maybin was a bust right away, Oliver could go either way. We don't now yet, but pointing to a game or 2 for either side of the argument doesn't make sense. Oliver has been a completely different player the last 3 weeks. He was challenged by the coaching staff and has responded to the tune of 4 sacks and a forced fumble in 3 games. Today? Two sacks and ff against one of the best OL's in the NFL. Is he DPOY yet? No, but it's obvious he's getting noticeably better and nothing near a bust. The straws are out of reach. Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Ed Oliver is a bad ass mofo 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: I think thete is some revisionist history going on here. After the Eagles games most Bills fans were extremely concerned about his future. Oliver has started the process of making most of us wrong. Thank God for that. He wasn't even that bad against the Eagles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 His strip sack was a huge turning point in the game and looked like a classic Aaron Donald pass rush sequence. He was heating up last week, now he’s ON FIRE (*NBA JAM VOICE*) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Jet fans are having a meltdown over Quinnen Williams lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, FeelingOnYouboty said: Jet fans are having a meltdown over Quinnen Williams lol Yeah I've been reading about that. One guy actually said he'd still rather have Williams over Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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