TigerJ Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) The Patriots recently lost their starting left tackle, Isaiah Wynn to injury for the year. He's been replaced by Marshal Newhouse, who was not good enough to stick with the Bills, who didn't have a very good offensive line at the time. Well Newhouse was limited in practice on Wednesday due to illness, and was out on Thursday. That means Jerry could find himself lined up on a player who is not very good to begin with, and under the weather to boot. If Newhouse can't go, the Patriots could move Thuney, their starting left guard, out to left tackle or start either of a couple guys who haven't been with the team long at all: Korey Cunningham or Caleb Benenoch. Neither of them is very well regarded. I can see why Tom Brady is lobbying the league to allow more offensive holding. I hope someone for the Bills counter-lobbies the officials to call it when they see it. Edited September 27, 2019 by TigerJ 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Jerry will face who he always faces against New England: the refs. 31 6 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Jerry will face who he always faces against New England: the refs. Was just gonna say, it doesn't matter, he'll hold all game and get away with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dopey said: Was just gonna say, it doesn't matter, he'll hold all game and get away with it. And Jerry will get an unsportsmanlike conduct for hurting their fingers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Jerry has to be drooling right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 This is significant but remember Brady is a quick release guy. He's not a scrambler and he doesn't throw it up for grabs. Not to say Jerry won't get hurries and pressures, but if you have 2 seconds or less to get there my grandma could pass protect for this guy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 55 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: This is significant but remember Brady is a quick release guy. He's not a scrambler and he doesn't throw it up for grabs. Not to say Jerry won't get hurries and pressures, but if you have 2 seconds or less to get there my grandma could pass protect for this guy. Yeah. Was just gonna day this. The Dline should all have clocks in their heads this game for sure. They likely won’t get to Brady enough but if they all make mental notes to get their hands up at around the 2second mark, they’ve got a shot to disrupt him in other ways. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Da webster guy said: This is significant but remember Brady is a quick release guy. He's not a scrambler and he doesn't throw it up for grabs. Not to say Jerry won't get hurries and pressures, but if you have 2 seconds or less to get there my grandma could pass protect for this guy. Yeah, but you're grandma's 6'2, 250 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I think this is the game that Ed Oliver finally eats and gets a couple of sacks. Too bad horrible Harry is out for the season. Bills really need to be able to stop the run this week as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Don't even nudge Tom Brady without the ball, flags everywhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 DTs and Nickel corner play will be critical toJerry Hughes' effectiveness. While Jerry does win his share of one on ones with outside moves, the wins can come to nought when he gets too far from a QB who steps into the pocket. If the DTS can hold their own and funnel Brady even a bit to the outside, then Hughes will be so damn effective. of course that is easier said than done against a QB who gets rid of the ball in 2 seconds. Brady's relief valve his whole career has been the quick short pass to the open spot. Jamming Edelman at the line is so important. If the DL and corners do their job then it becomes a ground + RPO game and then Edmunds Milano come into play. And last years' awful run defense vs. Pats notwithstanding, I believe it still gives us the best chance of defensive success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) I think for this game the Refs have mailed Tom Brady his own personal supply of flags to use as he sees fit. ? Edited September 27, 2019 by MrSarcasm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Hughes has been silent two games running. He won't be getting near Brady because of how quickly he dumps the ball. Only opportunity here is if Oliver has been saving the up the middle pressure for this game. If he can get Brady off his spot then Jerry may have some fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: Don't even nudge Tom Brady without the ball, flags everywhere. F THAT. a few late hits early will knock Brady lady right off her game. Continued pressure will scare her like running out of tampons while on a beach vacation!!!! Imagine the sand!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 10 hours ago, TigerJ said: The Patriots recently lost their starting left tackle, Isaiah Wynn to injury for the year. He's been replaced by Marshal Newhouse, who was not good enough to stick with the Bills, who didn't have a very good offensive line at the time. Well Newhouse was limited in practice on Wednesday due to illness, and was out on Thursday. That means Jerry could find himself lined up on a player who is not very good to begin with, and under the weather to boot. If Newhouse can't go, the Patriots could move Thuney, their starting left guard, out to left tackle or start either of a couple guys who haven't been with the team long at all: Korey Cunningham or Caleb Benenoch. Neither of them is very well regarded. I can see why Tom Brady is lobbying the league to allow more offensive holding. I hope someone for the Bills counter-lobbies the officials to call it when they see it. UNLIKE most teams the Pats have the BEST Offensive Line Coach in the NFL. He will have the line ready and Hughes will have 2 people blocking him and Brady will be doing quick hits to Dorsett and Edelman to tire the pass rush out then hit Gordon deep for a highlight real catch. lol or at least that will be the game plan. Brady needs less than 3 seconds get rid of the ball usually.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Makes Brady whining about all the holding calls during the Thursday night game seem a little more calculated doesn't it......... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 If Newhouse can’t play this week, the Patriots will be down to Korey Cunningham or Caleb Benenoch. Cunningham was picked up in an August trade, and Benenoch signed on Sept. 17. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/27/marshall-newhouses-illness-the-latest-hit-for-patriots-line/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Found a website that keeps track of penalties: www.nflpenalties.com I'm assuming it's got legit numbers. Pats were called for offensive holding two times in Week 1, three times in Week 2 and then once in Week 3. Not sure anything can be determined by just looking at those numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: UNLIKE most teams the Pats have the BEST Offensive Line Coach in the NFL. He will have the line ready and Hughes will have 2 people blocking him and Brady will be doing quick hits to Dorsett and Edelman to tire the pass rush out then hit Gordon deep for a highlight real catch. lol or at least that will be the game plan. Brady needs less than 3 seconds get rid of the ball usually.. Seems like a james white/edelman kind of game. Means hands up for deflections on the defense. The only issue with a NE offense like that is like, any incompletions or holding calls, or false starts... they all basically derail the entire drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Found a website that keeps track of penalties: www.nflpenalties.com I'm assuming it's got legit numbers. Pats were called for offensive holding two times in Week 1, three times in Week 2 and then once in Week 3. Not sure anything can be determined by just looking at those numbers. I would say it’s below the team average to this point. Now I also don’t think the Bills have had a ton of holding calls. I want to see it called the same for both teams on Sunday. I doubt they move anyone from the interior of the line to tackle. To me this would in theory make the interior of the line weaker. Brady isn’t able to scramble much at all anymore. Getting pressure up the middle is ideal. Jerry and then Murphy or whoever is on the other side need to keep Tom in the pocket. I dare say Brady will be the slowest guy on the field every down. Edited September 27, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 hours ago, mrags said: Yeah. Was just gonna day this. The Dline should all have clocks in their heads this game for sure. They likely won’t get to Brady enough but if they all make mental notes to get their hands up at around the 2second mark, they’ve got a shot to disrupt him in other ways. The way to get to Brady is up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Found a website that keeps track of penalties: www.nflpenalties.com I'm assuming it's got legit numbers. Pats were called for offensive holding two times in Week 1, three times in Week 2 and then once in Week 3. Not sure anything can be determined by just looking at those numbers. wow 3 times against the Dolphins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: The way to get to Brady is up the middle. Yep always. I will say that if they are able to get near him off the edge try to knock the ball out of his hand first. Hughes has done this in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Every pass will come out on a 3 step drop in less than 2.25 seconds and they’ll try to get Sony Michel going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 11 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: Jerry has to be drooling right now.... It will be harder now that Tom Brady told the refs they can't call holding penalties anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 8 hours ago, mrags said: Yeah. Was just gonna day this. The Dline should all have clocks in their heads this game for sure. They likely won’t get to Brady enough but if they all make mental notes to get their hands up at around the 2second mark, they’ve got a shot to disrupt him in other ways. Also, the defensive backs and the linebackers who are covering potential receivers can’t let any separation happen from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Codyny13 said: Every pass will come out on a 3 step drop in less than 2.25 seconds and they’ll try to get Sony Michel going. I think they're gonna try a chip Jerry with a RB/TE then use them in passing game. The X factor in this game is gonna be Trent Murphy. He has to produce some pressure from other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said: UNLIKE most teams the Pats have the BEST Offensive Line Coach in the NFL. He will have the line ready and Hughes will have 2 people blocking him and Brady will be doing quick hits to Dorsett and Edelman to tire the pass rush out then hit Gordon deep for a highlight real catch. lol or at least that will be the game plan. Brady needs less than 3 seconds get rid of the ball usually.. I agree that Brady will be cognizant of getting rid of the ball quickly. That New England has a great offensive line coach is also well known. However, regarding Marshal Newhouse, if you give a great sculptor a huge pile of turd with which to make a statue, the resulting figurine is still going to stink. Newhouse just doesn't have quick enough feet to keep Hughes from beating him off the snap. Cunningham has been with the the team for like 6 weeks and Benenoch for only a couple. Scarnecchia is good, but solid line play takes technique that is learned over months, if not years. He can teach it in weeks, but he can't make Cunningham and Benenoch learn it faster than they are capable of learning. As far as double teaming Hughes is concerned, that's the reason Buffalo drafted Ed Oliver. Brady will still be productive, but having a makeshift line will make things less comfortable for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: The way to get to Brady is up the middle. I agree, but having a great defensive end on the outside is something the blocking scheme has to account for, and that can only make it easier for the interior pass rush to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: I agree, but having a great defensive end on the outside is something the blocking scheme has to account for, and that can only make it easier for the interior pass rush to be effective. We have one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 13 hours ago, DC Tom said: Jerry will face who he always faces against New England: the refs. ....so very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, peterpan said: F THAT. a few late hits early will knock Brady lady right off her game. Continued pressure will scare her like running out of tampons while on a beach vacation!!!! Imagine the sand!!! Bills fans (including myself) call for and/or demand hits on Brady leading up to every Patriots game. It almost never happens. I hope someone proves me wrong. He gets rid of the ball too soon and knows how to eat plays that bust right off the bat. He doesn't stand around with the ball in his hand waiting to get hammered. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 13 hours ago, DC Tom said: And Jerry will get an unsportsmanlike conduct for hurting their fingers. Or for trying too hard, and another one for running too fast, and he will get ejected. Typical... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 You need to get in Brady's face. This is why Big Ed was drafted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Tom Brady could line up behind a Juggs machine and 4 parking cones and not get sacked because he gets the ball out in about .14 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, TigerJ said: I agree that Brady will be cognizant of getting rid of the ball quickly. That New England has a great offensive line coach is also well known. However, regarding Marshal Newhouse, if you give a great sculptor a huge pile of turd with which to make a statue, the resulting figurine is still going to stink. Newhouse just doesn't have quick enough feet to keep Hughes from beating him off the snap. Cunningham has been with the the team for like 6 weeks and Benenoch for only a couple. Scarnecchia is good, but solid line play takes technique that is learned over months, if not years. He can teach it in weeks, but he can't make Cunningham and Benenoch learn it faster than they are capable of learning. As far as double teaming Hughes is concerned, that's the reason Buffalo drafted Ed Oliver. Brady will still be productive, but having a makeshift line will make things less comfortable for him. They said the same thing about the big man we got from SF last year. Played 1 year with scar and now is the highest paid tackle in the NFL. The issue is how late they got him. But also why they will have a TE or RB chip him as well (guessing) buy Brady an additional second. Brady and McDaniels will have a scheme together that will probably make people on here crazy. It should be a good game and Cannon suppose be back so only 1 backup on the line. (Andrews out for the year before the year started so the center is the started period.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I'll be watching the all-important Hughes vs Brady's ACL matchup. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I'm counting on 55 for a strip sack, returned for a td by Ed Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 6 hours ago, RiotAct said: wow 3 times against the Dolphins? Most of them were due to heat. They fliched when went to get towel to wipe soaked brows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 17 hours ago, DC Tom said: Jerry will face who he always faces against New England: the refs. Thank you. This thread can now be closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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