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21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The Cover 2 is not the same as the Tampa 2.  It has evolved and I believe is the most common base defense in the NFL today.

 

My point is Tampa2 took over the NFL for 3 to 5 years.  It then became so common that it gets easily exploited in passing situations if diagnosed.  That now is happening with the Seattle cover 3.  The Jags run the closest version and rarely deviate.  There is do deception with what they do. 

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12 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Hell no....i don't want him. Locker room problem. He would be a chemistry killer.

I don't think he is a chemistry killer. Could be.  But you sure as hell don't know.

 

I don't see the fit here, but it's from a cost stand point for a player you won't have beyond 2020. Also, he wants to shadow best receiver and play mainly man to man. We don't do that. I'm not saying we wouldn't be better with him. We would be. But our entire defensive scheme would change.

 

And it's reported that he is well liked by his teammates on defense...I think it was Ryan Clark who said this recently.  He is there best player in my opinion.  I like the Brinks truck move too. It is fun and harmless and assists him in his leverage, even in an indirect, incalculable way. 

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Why are so many fans afraid of the modern day star athlete?  It's not a made for TV movie here.  If Buffalo wants to win they need great players.  Most great players know they are great.  Put them in a position to succeed and make plays, they will have no issue.  

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Tuesday going into week 3 I think Buffalo wins starts 3-0.  Buffalo is going to be favored in 9 to 10 of the last 14 games.  Now what is the point of all this?  Make the playoffs or chase a championship?  Buffalo HAS to make a few moves to have a shot vs beating KC and NE in January.  Ramsey instantly turns Buffalo from a nice little team and story to an actual contender.

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1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

Tuesday going into week 3 I think Buffalo wins starts 3-0.  Buffalo is going to be favored in 9 to 10 of the last 14 games.  Now what is the point of all this?  Make the playoffs or chase a championship?  Buffalo HAS to make a few moves to have a shot vs beating KC and NE in January.  Ramsey instantly turns Buffalo from a nice little team and story to an actual contender.

 

Im not seeing it. Secondary is already a strength and in McDermotts defense press man isn’t all that useful. 

 

Ant collateral burnt at this stage, to me should be an elite WR or DE. Not a corner. 

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7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Im not seeing it. Secondary is already a strength and in McDermotts defense press man isn’t all that useful. 

 

Ant collateral burnt at this stage, to me should be an elite WR or DE. Not a corner. 

What #1 or Edge rusher is available?  The pass defense can shut down 3/4 of the league.  Ramsey gives them a shot at shutting down Brady, and Mahomes.  You do that you can beat anyone anywhere.

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6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

What #1 or Edge rusher is available?  The pass defense can shut down 3/4 of the league.  Ramsey gives them a shot at shutting down Brady, and Mahomes.  You do that you can beat anyone anywhere.

 

No he doesn’t.  Brady put up around 300 yds and a 100+ passer rating last year. JR can limit exactly 1 WR and that’s not how this defense plays. 

 

Regarding WR and Edge, my point is that what the roster needs to get to the next level so any collateral spent is better spent there. 

 

Who- look around at the crumbling teams for ideas. 

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2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Doug Marrone is hated among this fan base b/c he turned his back on the team/city, or at least is perceived as such.

 

He is actually a pretty decent, no-nonsense HC, and he did as well with this team as any coach in a long time.

 

I don't have a problem with him.  If I'm McDermott, I would want to know why Marrone had a personal feud going with this guy....and I would be concerned that if Marrone didn't like his sorry ass, I wouldn't either.

 

Long way of saying Ramsey is likely not a process guy, but I have no idea.  I know nothing about him.

 

 

If he is a good coach, why is his team which was a game away from the SB a couple seasons ago going in an opposite direction? 

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14 hours ago, hmsmystic said:

I wouldn't pay that much for him for a 1 year rental.

 

He does't seem to fit into our culture- fighting with coaches, driving the bus over every qb in the nfl and pulling into camp in a brinks truck

 

Also he is going to want a FORTUNE come contract time, and I'd rather see the $$ go to Tre D

Culture before skill as far as I'm concerned.  He doesn't fit the Bill's culture.

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All this talk about not wanting Ramsey is a joke. Sounds like the same nonsense we heard about AB and now he'll be tearing it up with Brady. We must add players of this caliber even if they are a bit conceited. The coaches need to deal with that effectively. It's part of the job. The culture isn't about humility. It's about outworking the other teams. I bet if Ramsay could join up with Hyde, White and Poyer, he'd be happy as a clam, well behaved and helping us win even more. You DO want to win, right? It requires talent as well as commitment.

 

We can negotiate a new contract with him like we did with Shady and ask him before pulling the trigger what it would take to sign him long term. White is solid. Ramsey is elite.

 

The last team to win the AFCE other than NE was a team with great defense and the best CB in the league. Now that AB is a Pat, we need a guy like JR more than ever.

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Ramsey is a headcase. I could have seen Minka Fitz more than Ramsey if the Bills wanted an all in type move to add a piece to the team. However I don't think the front office is going to make a big splash giving up a first or second rounder. I could see them giving up a third or less to add a starter at a critical position either on the edge rush or at tightened/receiver. Barring significant injury I don't see the Bills going after other positions. 

 

I also think such a trade is going to come closer to the trade deadline as i think McBeane is going to want as many games as possible to assess where the needs truly are and wait out any injury risks. 

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Jalen Ramsey used to find out the name of the girlfriend of the quarterback he was about to face in college, and then send her crazy Instagram and IM messages. She would invariably go to her boyfriend and it often made the QB insane. That's genius. He stopped doing it when he got to the pros because he said that these grown ass men have wives not girlfriends, and they will shoot you if you go after their wives. ;)

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17 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Hell no....i don't want him. Locker room problem. He would be a chemistry killer.

 

I don’t necessarily want him, but this whole “locker room problem/chemistry killer” thing goes away pretty quick if Josh Allen reaches out to the guy and leads the welcome wagon once he joins the team. That’s what leadership is. The way this team is rallying behind Josh right now, if he makes a move like that, everyone else will be good. 

 

Also, even malcontents can get in line when they see how “The Process” is a foundation of a winning culture. In New England, they call it “The Patriot Way,” and it has brought everyone from Chad Ocho Cinco to Antonio Brown into compliance. People buy into a culture when you show them evidence of its worth and give them a reason to buy in. Jacksonville hasn’t given anybody a reason to buy into anything. 

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5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The Cover 2 is not the same as the Tampa 2.  It has evolved and I believe is the most common base defense in the NFL today.

 

Cover 2 refers to when a defense employs 2 high safety's

 

The Tampa 2 takes the MLB and drops him back into a deep third making it a modified cover 3 basically

 

 

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23 minutes ago, WickedGame said:

 

I don’t necessarily want him, but this whole “locker room problem/chemistry killer” thing goes away pretty quick if Josh Allen reaches out to the guy and leads the welcome wagon once he joins the team. That’s what leadership is. The way this team is rallying behind Josh right now, if he makes a move like that, everyone else will be good. 

 

Also, even malcontents can get in line when they see how “The Process” is a foundation of a winning culture. In New England, they call it “The Patriot Way,” and it has brought everyone from Chad Ocho Cinco to Antonio Brown into compliance. People buy into a culture when you show them evidence of its worth and give them a reason to buy in. Jacksonville hasn’t given anybody a reason to buy into anything. 

Like Derek Carr reached out to AB?  He did and it did not work.  You can't fix crazy.

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17 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

Hear me out.  

 

MCD loves him some D.  We are in good call standing.  He's young.  We are 2 and 0 with an already strong D.  We have depth where Jacksonville may need help.  Who wants Zay Jones??  :). 

 

Zay, Wallace, and a 2nd round pick for Ramsey.   Call up Duke and we can stake claim to best secondary on the league by far to chase Brady. 

 

Minkah Fitzpatrick gets a First. And you think Levi Wallace, Zay Jones and a 2nd round pick is gonna get you an Elite CB. Ha ha ha ha

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I don;t think Ramsey helps you beat Mahomes or Brady.   Ramsey if very good at what he does.  But I don't think he is a difference maker to beating those guys. 

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Minkah Fitzpatrick gets a First. And you think Levi Wallace, Zay Jones and a 2nd round pick is gonna get you an Elite CB. Ha ha ha ha

M. Fitzpatrick in in year 2 of a rookie contract.   That makes a huge difference. 

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Just now, PlayoffsPlease said:

I don;t think Ramsey helps you beat Mahomes or Brady.   Ramsey if very good at what he does.  But I don't think he is a difference maker to beating those guys. 

M. Fitzpatrick in in year 2 of a rookie contract.   That makes a huge difference. 

 

It is a bit. But not enough. Ramsey is a top 3 CB. You think you are getting him for nothing. 

 

Rumors are already has two offers both include One 1st. 

 

Gonna take the First to get a conversation and gonna cost more to make the trade happen

 

 

On a side note. Bills fielding a top 3 defense against the pass dating back to last year. How much more does Ramsey bring?  How many more wins does Ramsey bring to this roster?

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3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

It is a bit. But not enough. Ramsey is a top 3 CB. You think you are getting him for nothing. 

 

Rumors are already has two offers both include One 1st. 

 

Gonna take the First to get a conversation and gonna cost more to make the trade happen

I am not arguing. I don't know what it takes. Can you give examples of recent trades other than Khalil Mack where someone gave up a first, and then gave a full market value FA contract to the person targeted? Do you think Ramsey is more valuable than Clowney? (Maybe he is, I don't know, feels like Clowney is the closest comp though)

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4 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Tuesday going into week 3 I think Buffalo wins starts 3-0.  Buffalo is going to be favored in 9 to 10 of the last 14 games.  Now what is the point of all this?  Make the playoffs or chase a championship?  Buffalo HAS to make a few moves to have a shot vs beating KC and NE in January.  Ramsey instantly turns Buffalo from a nice little team and story to an actual contender.

I know instant gratification is big these days, but it is not recommended for long term success.

McBeane is building this team thoughtfully, with a goal to have a sustainable, successful franchise.

 

Be patient.

Our future is bright.

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20 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

I am not arguing. I don't know what it takes. Can you give examples of recent trades other than Khalil Mack where someone gave up a first, and then gave a full market value FA contract to the person targeted? Do you think Ramsey is more valuable than Clowney? (Maybe he is, I don't know, feels like Clowney is the closest comp though)

 

Lets see he is equal talent in his position to these players

 

Mack 1st plus

Amari Cooper 1st 

Better than Fitzpatrick 1st plus

Tunsil Multiple 1sts

Frank Clark 1st plus

OBJ 1st plus

 

those are the top end players in their positions traded past 2 years. 

 

Ramsey is going to start at a 1st to get conversation started. 

 

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Just heard on our local news channel (central Florida) that two teams have offered 1st round picks for JR. The teams were not identified unfortunately. Sorry if this has been posted. I didn't read through all the pages of the thread. 

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43 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Like Derek Carr reached out to AB?  He did and it did not work.  You can't fix crazy.

 

I wouldn’t put Derek Carr in the same zip code, much less the same ball park as Josh Allen when it comes to having the respect of his teammates. Not even close. 

 

There’s also a big difference between a guy who had no choice in which team he was trade to vs. a guy who has been given permission to find a team to be traded to. AB’s stunt was nothing more than an orchestrated stunt to get away from a place he didn’t want to be. The Raiders are the Jaguars in that comparison, not the Bills. 

 

Not that it’s worth us squabbling over it, mind you. I’d rather just stay excited about the guys who ARE on this roster and the good things they’re doing. Go Bills!

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