freddyjj Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Jets are still lacking at the most important parts of defense in NFL today - ability to generate edge pressure in a 4 man rush and overall CB play. This will be their downfall all year. Bringing extra players to generate pressure will really hurt secondary with coverage issues already. And they will be missing 2 starting LBs and TE for opener. Pick 'em game in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 It's honestly one of the more reasonable discussions I've ever read from an opposition's message board. Points various posters have made over there: The Jets need to bring well disguised coverages to confuse Allen, they need to get him on the move by bringing pressure up the middle and forcing him to make difficult throws across his body, they need to pay big attention to Cole Beasley, they might need to spy Allen...all pretty reasonable to me. Various people have also admitted that their corners stink and that their run game may be slow to wake up with a few new o-linemen and a rusty Le'veon Bell. I mean, sure, there's the usual dose of homerish enthusiasm over there, but find me a football message board that ISN'T optimistic about their team this time of year. All in all, I find MOST of the discussion to be pretty reasonable. There's some silliness, sure, but more reasoned football discussion than I would have expected. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, benderbender said: Must be so easy to be a Jests fan. What do we do when we want to encourage our offense? Spell the team name! Our D needs a stop? Spell the team name! Where do we play our games? In another state! I’m surprised that half of them can spell a four-letter word.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfball323 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 All I can think about is the last time we opened in Jersey against the Jets and we were run off the field in 2012. I think that was the last time I ever let myself be optimistic heading into a season... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, saundena said: Me, I'm concerned with big Q and their stout D line making is too one dimensional early in the game (bottling the run and flustering Josh). What do you make of this? http://NFL.com/news/story0ap300001043285/article/2019-nfl-preseason-training-camp-surprises-for-all-32-teams the biggest surprise may be that no.3 overall pick Quinnen Williams isn't projected to start. Connor Hughes of The Athletic writes that Williams attempts to start at nose tackle didn't take so he'll rotate as a backup at defensive end to start the season. Edited August 22, 2019 by Seoulofstone 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said: What do you make of this? NFL.com/news/story0ap300001043285/article/2019-nfl-preseason-training-camp-surprises-for-all-32-teams the biggest surprise may be that no.3 overall pick Quinnen Williams isn't projected to start. Connor Hughes of The Athletic writes that Williams attempts to start at nose tackle didn't take so he'll rotate as a backup at defensive end to start the season. Thats very interesting to say the least 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, jletha said: It means they view it as a pick em on a neutral field...which this game is not. Vegas is scary good at what they do which means we are more likely than not to lose...per vegas. They also have them winning more games than we do over the course of the season. So if we are trusting Vegas, we should be worried. I am not. For the umpteenth time...Vegas lines are not based upon who the oddsmakers think will win or even statistical probabilities...they are established in the hopes of attracting equal money on each side of the bet so that the house "wins" 5-10%. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vod Kanockers said: I think that perhaps the most significant aspect that both sides are overlooking is the fact that this will be year 3 for Buffalo (2 for JA) in the same system. For the Jests to think that they’ll just be hitting on all cylinders come opening day year 1 on both O and D, might be misleading... Not all teams take year to get their acts together under new coaching regimes. The Bears won 12 games last season under new HC Matt Nagy after winning only 5 in 2017. The Colts won 10 games last season under new HC Frank Reich after winning only 4 games the previous season. The Rams made the playoffs in their first season under McVay and made the Super Bowl in his second. The Eagles won the Super Bowl in Pedersen's second season. Edited August 22, 2019 by SoTier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, saundena said: Thought I'd share this with everyone. Most of their posters seem to sense a Jet victory (no surprise there), but there is healthy respect for our D, Beasley and even a few who are worried about how to stop Josh (ie using a spy opens up the field for big plays). They also acknowledged their atrocious secondary. Me, I'm concerned with big Q and their stout D line making is too one dimensional early in the game (bottling the run and flustering Josh). I also like Darnold a lot and worry that he can pick us apart with short throws which in the best case scenario will keep drives alive, tire our D and help their field position. We seemed so awful last year giving up big completions on 3rd and 6+. Anyway here it is: https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/146258-jets-bills-can-we-start-talking-game-plan-yet/ You see how quick the ball has been coming out. Expect a heavy dose of screens with 2 of their starting LBers out in order to nuetralise their D line. We also got a bit bigger and meaner up front. The days of a soft middle and an inconsistant Mills are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) I think the Jets games will be a coin flip, we are about even. Darnold is good but to me he looks like he doesn't have a whole lot of room to improve, like he is already close to his ceiling I could see their defense and Dline giving Josh trouble, but Beasley should help getting ball out quick. Edited August 22, 2019 by Mrbojanglezs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, eball said: For the umpteenth time...Vegas lines are not based upon who the oddsmakers think will win or even statistical probabilities...they are established in the hopes of attracting equal money on each side of the bet so that the house "wins" 5-10%. Yea thats true of course. But its not that Vegas *really* thinks were going to win 9 games but setting it at 5.5-6 will get equal money. In a scenario like setting total teams over/under before a season the line has to be set very close to true value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, RochesterLifer said: This is what I am really excited about seeing in week 1. I'm a big Josh Allen fan. But, until he handles it, he hasn't handled it. Honestly, the least of my worries about Allen is how to handle the pass rush.....esp., w/ Beasley, better TE’s and having a year under his belt. I never felt Allen’s issues last season were how he handled pressure but stemmed from the total lack of talent surrounding him. Edited August 22, 2019 by Binghamton Beast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vod Kanockers said: I think that perhaps the most significant aspect that both sides are overlooking is the fact that this will be year 3 for Buffalo (2 for JA) in the same system. For the Jests to think that they’ll just be hitting on all cylinders come opening day year 1 on both O and D, might be misleading... That’s not always a positive, that means theres 32 games worth of film on our schemes and none on theirs Edited August 22, 2019 by uticaclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 The thing I'm worried about in this game is that old headhunter Greggy will try to have someone ring Morse' s bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: The thing I'm worried about in this game is that old headhunter Greggy will try to have someone ring Morse' s bell. If that's the case, someone should throw an "accidental" elbow on him when they run by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I don't get how anyone could look at these two teams and think the Jets are going to keep up. Darnold will have 2 ints before half and we will win by at least 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: I don't get how anyone could look at these two teams and think the Jets are going to keep up. Darnold will have 2 ints before half and we will win by at least 14. This is honestly how I feel. Their defense is in sooooo much trouble. Their line has some talent, but not thatttt much. If Josh shows even a modicum of improvement from last year, we are gonna put up points. Our defense is stout. Their line is still full of holes, and their WRs are average. AND, they have a new head coach and a new system. The odds are crazy stacked against them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ddaryl said: This is not hard to figure out. Buffalo is going to beat the Jets week 1. Sure they'll have to deal with the home team energy s\urge of a season opener. But IMO JA's head is in a great place and it is cooler than the veggies in your crisper. The Jets are a mess with injuries and suspensions. They'll get season opener home team momentum but the Bills will finish the game stronger and take the crowd out of it Jets fans are merely convincing themselves it going to be ok. But they are doing so curled up in a fetal position and rocking back and forth and mumbling it. Hey is his name Bennie by chance, Bennie the Jet He won the bean eating contest, right next door to Nathan's. Never sit behind, or downwind of him! Leaves a BIG carbon footprint too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Logic said: It's honestly one of the more reasonable discussions I've ever read from an opposition's message board. Points various posters have made over there: The Jets need to bring well disguised coverages to confuse Allen, they need to get him on the move by bringing pressure up the middle and forcing him to make difficult throws across his body, they need to pay big attention to Cole Beasley, they might need to spy Allen...all pretty reasonable to me. Various people have also admitted that their corners stink and that their run game may be slow to wake up with a few new o-linemen and a rusty Le'veon Bell. I mean, sure, there's the usual dose of homerish enthusiasm over there, but find me a football message board that ISN'T optimistic about their team this time of year. All in all, I find MOST of the discussion to be pretty reasonable. There's some silliness, sure, but more reasoned football discussion than I would have expected. Agreed. Gregg-o's D is actually decent at confusing and bullying weak and/or inexperienced QBs. That's basically ALL it's good at doing. Josh is going to get some weird and difficult looks right out of the gate. Hopefully he's up to the challenge but it's possible we don't see him really thrive until midseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I think Jets fans aren't really aware of how the Bills have improved. And honestly I have no idea how the Jets might have improved. Adding Bell and Kalil sounds very good. I'm not doing any smack talking, just looking forward to a real game with actual game planning against the other guys' best players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I think both sets of fans need a healthier respect for their opponent. Jets aren't as bad as Bills fans are saying, Darnold will be a stud (And is good friends with Josh, add another layer to the rivalry). While I hope we crush them, it could be a decent game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, syhuang said: Few other posts from JetsNation regarding game 1: https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/145864-ot-bills-mitch-morse/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-4161096 Did they forget that the biggest reason for their win in 2018 is now wearing red, white and blue and is looking for revenge? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 43 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Honestly, the least of my worries about Allen is how to handle the pass rush.....esp., w/ Beasley, better TE’s and having a year under his belt. I never felt Allen’s issues last season were how he handled pressure but stemmed from the total lack of talent surrounding him. Oh, I definitely think he suffered from being a bit slow to process and recognize what the defense was doing and therefore, what his best options were. I don't mean that as a negative - he was a rookie who wasn't supposed to be starting yet. This year, I am hoping to see the "time to recognition and decision" be shortened. Teams that bring pressure will test that improvement. It's all part of...the process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I wonder if this is why the short passing game is what we have seen during the pre season? Short throws against bad secondaries can turn into big plays. Darnold's good but prone to bad interceptions which will be the key. Bills should change up and disguise coverage's and turnovers will come. With Bell hit the ball out of his arms and fumbles will come. He has little work in live tackling drills in the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 This game will be a cake walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I hammered the Bills ML parlayed with the packers +3.5. Do the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vod Kanockers Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: That’s not always a positive, that means theres 32 games worth of film on our schemes and none on theirs Im pretty sure that they would just check out past seasons of the Dolphins if they wanted an idea of the offense, and any Gregg Williams defense of the past 20 years to get them up to speed on that side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: The great myth of Gregg Williams and his incredible pressure defense persists. He was innovative and bold, years ago. He is just recycling his old schemes. Plenty of tape out there on old Gregg and his defense. Screen to McCoy, bubble screen to Beasley, TE screen to ?? all day long and burn the ***** out his pathetic blitzes. ?????????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, saundena said: Thought I'd share this with everyone. Most of their posters seem to sense a Jet victory (no surprise there), but there is healthy respect for our D, Beasley and even a few who are worried about how to stop Josh (ie using a spy opens up the field for big plays). They also acknowledged their atrocious secondary. Me, I'm concerned with big Q and their stout D line making is too one dimensional early in the game (bottling the run and flustering Josh). I also like Darnold a lot and worry that he can pick us apart with short throws which in the best case scenario will keep drives alive, tire our D and help their field position. We seemed so awful last year giving up big completions on 3rd and 6+. Anyway here it is: https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/146258-jets-bills-can-we-start-talking-game-plan-yet/ ...they see everything through Gase's eyeballs......uh oh.......BUT...how many times in recent lore have AFCE W & L prognostications been posted for the Jets as " a gimme sweep"?.....caution... Edited August 22, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vod Kanockers Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Not all teams take year to get their acts together under new coaching regimes. The Bears won 12 games last season under new HC Matt Nagy after winning only 5 in 2017. The Colts won 10 games last season under new HC Frank Reich after winning only 4 games the previous season. The Rams made the playoffs in their first season under McVay and made the Super Bowl in his second. The Eagles won the Super Bowl in Pedersen's second season. Compare the rosters between this years Jets and the teams you listed. I’m pretty sure they’re not in the same ballpark. Also, I’m pretty sure the Colts were something like 1-5 before turning it around last season. (With a veteran QB) Sometimes the pieces are already in place and only need the coach to bring things together. I’m pretty sure this is not the case with the ‘19 Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Not all teams take year to get their acts together under new coaching regimes. The Bears won 12 games last season under new HC Matt Nagy after winning only 5 in 2017. The Colts won 10 games last season under new HC Frank Reich after winning only 4 games the previous season. The Rams made the playoffs in their first season under McVay and made the Super Bowl in his second. The Eagles won the Super Bowl in Pedersen's second season. Bears -- Y2 of franchise QB Colts -- Andrew Luck returned Rams -- Y2 of franchise QB Eagles -- Y2 of franchise QB Yes, if Darnold takes a big step forward the Jets could be successful, but I don't think Gase has established himself as being anywhere near as good a HC as Pedersen, McVay, Reich, or even Nagy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Hmm. I have also predicted that the Jets will beat in their home opener. But with all the injuries and suspensions they have had, I am starting to think that we can pull it off. I personally think that Darnold is the real deal. Leveon Bell WAS elite, but who knows what he'll be like with a new team? Adam Gase is a decent offensive coordinator and Greg Williams is a decent defensive coordinator. Neither are great, but both can get the job done. They will eventually implode, but the Jets will get a few good games out of them, and something tells me week 1 will be one of those games. But we'll see. I think the Bills will have a mostly good year regardless. Beating the Jets week 1 would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, CNY315 said: This is how I feel about the team in general. I get fans being excited about the moves their teams have made and being confident, as I am, but the Bills and Jets were 6-10 and 4-12 respectively. Any of us saying "we should beat" anybody before the first game is funny. I notice that your post ignores the CURRENT state of the two teams. Based upon what I have seen, there is no reason to state unequivocally that you can't make an assessment on the Week 1 matchup. You might as well not post anything then, since we aren't allowed to assess and make a prediction... no reason to comment since nobody knows anything, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalophil1948 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, eball said: Bears -- Y2 of franchise QB Colts -- Andrew Luck returned Rams -- Y2 of franchise QB Eagles -- Y2 of franchise QB Yes, if Darnold takes a big step forward the Jets could be successful, but I don't think Gase has established himself as being anywhere near as good a HC as Pedersen, McVay, Reich, or even Nagy. Also for the Eagles they had Schwartz as the DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 hours ago, uticaclub said: If Darnold is considerably better than Allen, which is the opinion of many football analysts, then it could be a long afternoon. Even IF this was true they’re not playing tennis there’s other people on the field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, eball said: Bears -- Y2 of franchise QB Colts -- Andrew Luck returned Rams -- Y2 of franchise QB Eagles -- Y2 of franchise QB Yes, if Darnold takes a big step forward the Jets could be successful, but I don't think Gase has established himself as being anywhere near as good a HC as Pedersen, McVay, Reich, or even Nagy. I didn't realize Adam Gase had established himself as a good head coach to begin with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTBman Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Hello, all! Visiting Jet fan here ... After reading predictions here, they span the usual gamut of conservative/pessimistic to irrational (just like on the Jet boards I frequent.) It IS interesting to me to learn more about how you guys view your team, and where there is progress and where there are concerns. From my less informed perspective, you guys are at least a year ahead of the Jets in terms of emerging from the Dark Ages. Having the front office in place, drafting competently, signing but not reaching on free agents - you guys are doing much better/further along in the culture building process. The Jets "may" be heading in the right direction - unfortunately, it takes time to tell if it's going well or if it's going to be another sh*t show. Starting talent wise, I think the teams are fairly well matched - with both teams having hopes for their QB's - and trying to get some talent around them and to protect them. You have a distinct advantage by being in the second year of your coaching regime: I think it's really underrated how being able to start a year in an established offensive and defensive system propels a team closer to achievement, and you are deeper. The Jets are paper thin (or bereft) at key positions like CB. The only factor I would say is being underestimated is that the previous Jets coaching staff (other than special teams) was just HORRENDOUS. Everything from game management to evaluation of talent to scheme to whatever - just maddening. Frustrating as a fan. The previous Jet GM - Mr. Coffee - let our only two Pro Bowl players walk (I believe you guys have Roberts - he's a keeper) as part of his "strategy" of improving the team, being a cheap skate when he had cap money to burn (because we had so few players drafted over the past five years who were worth resigning to second contracts - almost none.) So short and simple, whatever talent the Jets had was poorly coached and utilized - so you may see some guys deployed in ways that maximize their talents - which for us Jet fans is a novelty. We lost a lot of games last year in the fourth quarter by playing "not to lose." (I think we had one game last year where we got a "delay of game" penalty on the first offensive play right after receiving the kickoff - it was enough to get you to switch to hard liquor from beer even before eating at halftime.) Whatever talent there is on the team was badly under-coached. We shall see if our previously mediocre guys start actually looking like NFL players. So - in summary - good luck, no injuries, and I think we are seeing two teams emerge from some dark years. (I'm 60+ and started my years of masochism in the early 70's.) I think we can always agree with the sentiment "Anyone but the Cheatriots." I live in VT, and God, do I want to see the NE fan base suffer - for decades. They are insufferable, especially the younger bandwagon types. An example of how I feel comes from one Jet board poster, who when asked by another contributor if the intro press conference of Joe Douglass, our new GM, was "a success", responded with "Well, since he didn't reach down and pull Brady's severed head out of a canvas bag, I'd say no." 6 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Vod Kanockers said: Compare the rosters between this years Jets and the teams you listed. I’m pretty sure they’re not in the same ballpark. Also, I’m pretty sure the Colts were something like 1-5 before turning it around last season. (With a veteran QB) Sometimes the pieces are already in place and only need the coach to bring things together. I’m pretty sure this is not the case with the ‘19 Jets. I responded to a poster who claimed that the Bills being 3 years with the same coach gave them a significant advantage over the Jets because Gase was in his first year. I didn't predict them to make the playoffs. If Gase has become a better HC than he was in Miami, and if the Jets off-season moves pay dividends there's no reason that the Jets can't win several more games than they did last season and possibly make the playoffs. 1 hour ago, eball said: Bears -- Y2 of franchise QB Colts -- Andrew Luck returned Rams -- Y2 of franchise QB Eagles -- Y2 of franchise QB Yes, if Darnold takes a big step forward the Jets could be successful, but I don't think Gase has established himself as being anywhere near as good a HC as Pedersen, McVay, Reich, or even Nagy. Actually, Pedersen, McVay, Reich, and Nagy were all totally unproven when they were hired. That Gase failed in his first HC gig doesn't mean that he'll never be a good HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 15 hours ago, syhuang said: Few other posts from JetsNation regarding game 1: https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/145864-ot-bills-mitch-morse/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-4161096 I think they are confused about which QB was turnover prone coming out of college. 9 hours ago, SoTier said: I responded to a poster who claimed that the Bills being 3 years with the same coach gave them a significant advantage over the Jets because Gase was in his first year. I didn't predict them to make the playoffs. If Gase has become a better HC than he was in Miami, and if the Jets off-season moves pay dividends there's no reason that the Jets can't win several more games than they did last season and possibly make the playoffs. Actually, Pedersen, McVay, Reich, and Nagy were all totally unproven when they were hired. That Gase failed in his first HC gig doesn't mean that he'll never be a good HC. I think both teams will be improved from last year. The Bills are vastly improved and will be an almost unstoppable force by week 6. As far as the Jets go, the offseason and preseason have not been kind. 24-13 Bills will be the result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 15 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: The great myth of Gregg Williams and his incredible pressure defense persists. He was innovative and bold, years ago. He is just recycling his old schemes. Plenty of tape out there on old Gregg and his defense. Is Greg Williams the next Rex Ryan, which is: Irrelevant ??? 10 hours ago, VTBman said: Hello, all! Visiting Jet fan here ... After reading predictions here, they span the usual gamut of conservative/pessimistic to irrational (just like on the Jet boards I frequent.) It IS interesting to me to learn more about how you guys view your team, and where there is progress and where there are concerns. From my less informed perspective, you guys are at least a year ahead of the Jets in terms of emerging from the Dark Ages. Having the front office in place, drafting competently, signing but not reaching on free agents - you guys are doing much better/further along in the culture building process. The Jets "may" be heading in the right direction - unfortunately, it takes time to tell if it's going well or if it's going to be another sh*t show. Starting talent wise, I think the teams are fairly well matched - with both teams having hopes for their QB's - and trying to get some talent around them and to protect them. You have a distinct advantage by being in the second year of your coaching regime: I think it's really underrated how being able to start a year in an established offensive and defensive system propels a team closer to achievement, and you are deeper. The Jets are paper thin (or bereft) at key positions like CB. The only factor I would say is being underestimated is that the previous Jets coaching staff (other than special teams) was just HORRENDOUS. Everything from game management to evaluation of talent to scheme to whatever - just maddening. Frustrating as a fan. The previous Jet GM - Mr. Coffee - let our only two Pro Bowl players walk (I believe you guys have Roberts - he's a keeper) as part of his "strategy" of improving the team, being a cheap skate when he had cap money to burn (because we had so few players drafted over the past five years who were worth resigning to second contracts - almost none.) So short and simple, whatever talent the Jets had was poorly coached and utilized - so you may see some guys deployed in ways that maximize their talents - which for us Jet fans is a novelty. We lost a lot of games last year in the fourth quarter by playing "not to lose." (I think we had one game last year where we got a "delay of game" penalty on the first offensive play right after receiving the kickoff - it was enough to get you to switch to hard liquor from beer even before eating at halftime.) Whatever talent there is on the team was badly under-coached. We shall see if our previously mediocre guys start actually looking like NFL players. So - in summary - good luck, no injuries, and I think we are seeing two teams emerge from some dark years. (I'm 60+ and started my years of masochism in the early 70's.) I think we can always agree with the sentiment "Anyone but the Cheatriots." I live in VT, and God, do I want to see the NE fan base suffer - for decades. They are insufferable, especially the younger bandwagon types. An example of how I feel comes from one Jet board poster, who when asked by another contributor if the intro press conference of Joe Douglass, our new GM, was "a success", responded with "Well, since he didn't reach down and pull Brady's severed head out of a canvas bag, I'd say no." An intelligent Jets fan, thanks for checking in and adding to the quality of our our board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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