Big Blitz Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 If healthy, shouldn't we be big time on this? This is a border hall of fame LT. I don't see how the cap should be an issue either. Similar situation with AB but maybe a better likelihood he still does report. But if not they'll have to accept the best lowest offer. The Jets will likely be in and maybe Cleveland. Oline: Trent--Dawkins--Morse--Spain--Ford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) Why trade a young good player on a rookie deal for an older expensive player who is closer to retirement? Edited July 29, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Redskins would be dumb to trade him. I know he hates them but money talks. They just need to pay him, gotta protect the Dwayne train. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Why trade a young good player on a rookie deal for an older expensive player who is closer to retirement? We shouldn't have to trade a good young player. However I'd only go as high as a 3rd rounder. If the Jets offer a 2nd whatever. Not sure I'd do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 With all his injuries he’s an old 30 something now. Hate to trade for an older tackle who is super expensive and injured a ton. I don’t follow the redskins much and am too lazy to google but I know the last couple years Trent is always hurt missing games or playing half games or still playing hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: With all his injuries he’s an old 30 something now. Hate to trade for an older tackle who is super expensive and injured a ton. I don’t follow the redskins much and am too lazy to google but I know the last couple years Trent is always hurt missing games or playing half games or still playing hurt We signed the guy who actually played left tackle for them, and he's currently not starting. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I wouldn't hate adding Trent, but honestly, my preference is to stay the course. Dawkins had a good rookie year playing on a more talented OL before struggling with scrubs around him in year 2. All signs thus far point to him having a strong camp and looking like he is going to anchor that tackle spot down. Ty Nsheke is still here and I think he is better than some realize and only didnt start in Washington because of a guy like Trent ahead of him. He is very good insurance if Dawkins starts to slip. Our OL group is deep and talented. No denying the quality player Trent has been, but at this point, I think our OL is in really good shape and I would rather give our young promising tackle Dawkins the chance to show last year was a fluke due to lack of talent on the line overall and that he can be our guy moving forward. And worst case, he could slide inside or to a backup role and put in Ty if Dawkins doesnt rise to the occasion. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I don’t see it. I think Beane and McDermott feel they did the upgrades to the oline in FA and draft. I tend to agree with them barring a string of injuries. Beane seems to take a methodical approach to a position group. Addressing areas with a player and a backup player with potential as well. Tackle looks pretty solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I would love to add Trent to the offensive line but I don’t think McBeane see a spot for Williams. It’s early in training camp, but seems to me that they believe in Dawkins and Ford as our offensive tackles. It would be very easy to slide Ford to guard and insert Nsehke at right tackle, but they haven’t even tinkered with the idea yet and this speaks to me. I like the idea idea and would do it myself, but bottom line it seems that Ford and Dawkins are the offensive tackles this year and they may be all but set on that. If McBeane believe in Ford and Dawkins then there’s no reason to waste a future third or fourth round pick on Williams. We’ve got a new regime and new scouts now, those later picks have more value to us than they used too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Someone would offer more for him than we would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 It's weird to finally be in the position, after 20 years, to look at "i've heard of him" type free agents and to be able to say nah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 He would be the best player on the team when healthy. He plays at a premium position, one that we have a question about based on last season. He has a problem with the team that many players have had issue with (medical), and plenty of former Skins can vouch for this team's facilities. I would trade Dawkins to them and pay Trent, if I had a say. You don't find guys like him available...I would at least be on the phone with Bruce Allen and Doug Williams to see where it's at. They will become desperate to get someone at some point if this continues, Dawkins would be great for them compared to a Trent Williams that won't play there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, dorquemada said: It's weird to finally be in the position, after 20 years, to look at "i've heard of him" type free agents and to be able to say nah Yea. That's what an elite front office has brought here. This is a DEEP team up and down , especially OL . And i love how these positional groups have a nice mix of vets and young guys. We're legit contenders imo. I doubt Beane and Co have any interest in Trent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I wouldn't hate adding Trent, but honestly, my preference is to stay the course. Dawkins had a good rookie year playing on a more talented OL before struggling with scrubs around him in year 2. All signs thus far point to him having a strong camp and looking like he is going to anchor that tackle spot down. Ty Nsheke is still here and I think he is better than some realize and only didnt start in Washington because of a guy like Trent ahead of him. He is very good insurance if Dawkins starts to slip. Our OL group is deep and talented. No denying the quality player Trent has been, but at this point, I think our OL is in really good shape and I would rather give our young promising tackle Dawkins the chance to show last year was a fluke due to lack of talent on the line overall and that he can be our guy moving forward. And worst case, he could slide inside or to a backup role and put in Ty if Dawkins doesnt rise to the occasion. I am with this. Love Trent so wouldn't hate it but I think the Bills need to find out this year if Dion is the long term answer at LT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I'd hate to pay all that money to an oft injured player, let alone offering a pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Aireskoi said: He would be the best player on the team when healthy. He plays at a premium position, one that we have a question about based on last season. He has a problem with the team that many players have had issue with (medical), and plenty of former Skins can vouch for this team's facilities. I would trade Dawkins to them and pay Trent, if I had a say. You don't find guys like him available...I would at least be on the phone with Bruce Allen and Doug Williams to see where it's at. They will become desperate to get someone at some point if this continues, Dawkins would be great for them compared to a Trent Williams that won't play there. No way would I trade dawkins for him...holy bananas batman. He may be better than Dawkins, but add on the new contract, injury history and now 30...I'd hope Dawkins can bounce back or play Ty who filled for williams... Edited July 29, 2019 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Pass. His tire tread is showing and he's had many flats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said: No. This isn't a complete sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: This isn't a complete sentence. No sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 If things get ugly maybe we can get away with Nsekhe and a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Nah. Wouldn’t not give up the picks and a contract the size he wants. Ty started for them when he got hurt and was fine. But guess this this is just another way for those that want Dawkins at OG to try and get him there. Guess they are ignoring how how he looks so far at LT this year next to legit OGs. To be honest the same people that likely want Dawkins at OG are the same ones that wanted Glenn there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 The Redskins just signed Donald Penn. One year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) So many reasons not to trade for Williams. First, is you invested a 2nd round pick in Dawkins to be, apparently, your LT. Pushing your drafted players down the (edit: depth) chart on team-friendly contracts in favor of a 10th year veteran getting paid big dollars is not a solid idea. And then there's compensation. People throw 3rd round picks around here like they're nothing. All for a guy who has a lot of mileage on him. Sometimes I think fans here think NFL teams are built like their fantasy roster. With random and out of left-field strategy. Edited July 30, 2019 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, BillsVet said: So many reasons not to trade for Williams. First, is you invested a 2nd round pick in Dawkins to be, apparently, your LT. Pushing your drafted players down the (edit: depth) chart on team-friendly contracts in favor of a 10th year veteran getting paid big dollars is not a solid idea. And then there's compensation. People throw 3rd round picks around here like they're nothing. All for a guy who has a lot of mileage on him. Sometimes I think fans here think NFL teams are built like their fantasy roster. With random and out of left-field strategy. He's taking a few reps at Guard I see. Morse doesn't seem 100 percent and needs another "maintenance" day. I'm all in go get him and you kick Dawkins to Guard. Dawkins hasn't done anything yet to say I'm your franchise LT. I'm hopeful sure. But I'm also insane enough to think this team can be playing a home playoff game in January so I'll do whatever it takes to upgrade without giving to much. William's is still a pro bowl LT. When the Jets get him they'll be a lot of fans ticked we missed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 absolutely YES ! 7x pro bowler (2012-2018) at the second most important position on team. under team control for 2 more seasons plus franchise tag years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 But can he play center if Morse is hurt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, CNY315 said: Driving the cost up for the Browns Jets and Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 2:33 PM, YoloinOhio said: Redskins would be dumb to trade him. I know he hates them but money talks. They just need to pay him, gotta protect the Dwayne train. He's a tremendous player but his durability has been going down. His knees have been worked on so much that they are at a bone on bone level. According to him and his reps his disgruntlement is centered around how the medical staff has mishandled him, and he also has issues with Allen, the GM. Is money really the center of his holdout? I'm not sure. But the reality of this harsh business is that he knows that he is on the backside of his career and that he wants to maximize his earnings before he departs the game. Again, he is one of the best in the business and a respected leader on his team. For where the Bills are at in their development he wouldn't be a smart acquisition for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, CNY315 said: Listening to WEEI today talking about trading for TW. Right now they are strapped because Brady won't agree to an extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Listening to WEEI today talking about trading for TW. Right now they are strapped because Brady won't agree to an extension. If anything a Brady extension would free up cap space. I think both sides are ok with a year to year contract at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris66 said: If anything a Brady extension would free up cap space. I think both sides are ok with a year to year contract at this point. That's the point. Pats need some cap relief. A Brady extension would help that out. But Brady is resisting, apparently happy with year to year deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) On 7/29/2019 at 3:00 PM, Rc2catch said: With all his injuries he’s an old 30 something now. Hate to trade for an older tackle who is super expensive and injured a ton. I don’t follow the redskins much and am too lazy to google but I know the last couple years Trent is always hurt missing games or playing half games or still playing hurt Doesnt strike me as a team guy, but Im sure there are things we dont know. Edited August 1, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 3:16 PM, elijah said: I would love to add Trent to the offensive line but I don’t think McBeane see a spot for Williams. It’s early in training camp, but seems to me that they believe in Dawkins and Ford as our offensive tackles. It would be very easy to slide Ford to guard and insert Nsehke at right tackle, but they haven’t even tinkered with the idea yet and this speaks to me. I like the idea idea and would do it myself, but bottom line it seems that Ford and Dawkins are the offensive tackles this year and they may be all but set on that. If McBeane believe in Ford and Dawkins then there’s no reason to waste a future third or fourth round pick on Williams. We’ve got a new regime and new scouts now, those later picks have more value to us than they used too. Unfortunately in the past I think the later picks worked out better than the early ones.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Dawkins is one of the only players to at least play at a mid/high level with Castillo as his coach. I am expecting Dawkin to have a break out season this year and be one of the most improved players. Trent Williams is a great player but I think his age/contract/durability are huge hurdles for any team to get a deal done. 16 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Listening to WEEI today talking about trading for TW. Right now they are strapped because Brady won't agree to an extension. If I'm Brady I want to keep being paid under the table and also be the highest paid QB in the NFL, which he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I will be completely disgusted if the Pats* pull this one off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 16 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Listening to WEEI today talking about trading for TW. Right now they are strapped because Brady won't agree to an extension. If I'm Brady I want to keep being paid under the table and also be the highest paid QB in the NFL, which he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Brady will be 42 Aug 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Pats**** tried to get Trent Williams for 1st rounder. https://riggosrag.com/2019/08/22/reports-patriots-were-willing-to-offer-redskins-2020-first-round-pick-for-trent-williams/ What does that say about Isaiah Wynn? Edited August 22, 2019 by Captain Hindsight add link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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