SI's Benoit: Oliver pick gets a C

[Heavy Kevi]

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

[PirateHookerMD]

This take just exposes how little he understands our roster and scheme. 

[Chuck Wagon]

Just now, PirateHookerMD said:

This take just exposes how little he understands our roster and scheme. 

 

 

I was going to say football in general, but you summed it up

[oldmanfan]

His take makes little sense.  Yeah we can still use an edge guy but did he realize Kyle retired?

[Heavy Kevi]

Yeah he is literally the only guy I have heard who thinks it's a bad pick.

 

And I just don't see "high-risk, high-reward" with Oliver either.

[BobChalmers]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

His take makes little sense.  Yeah we can still use an edge guy but did he realize Kyle retired?

 

Or that they signed Trent Murphy to a 5 year deal last year?

 

Not saying they don't still have Edge as a need, but like pretty much all national "reporters,"  way to happy to make "bold" statements in ignorance.

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said:

This take just exposes how little he understands our roster and scheme. 

Or how little you understand his need to create clicks with sometimes controversial takes 

[Heavy Kevi]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

Or how little you understand his need to create clicks with sometimes controversial takes 

 

I think you nailed it there.

 

Has to be controversial to get talked about, so why not poke Bills fans.

[hemma]

Sometimes people write odd stuff when they are day drinking.

[Niagara Dude]

9 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

Wow! i hate to see what he thinks of our other picks because Oliver was the best ,  our last two picks will be off the roster once Sean and Beane are fired.  Like is Sean going to keep 7-8 RB'S on this team.

[Rubes]

10 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

 

This guy thinks it was a high risk-high reward pick, @Joe in Winslow thinks it was an okay, safe pick. I don’t know what the hell to think anymore.

[PlayoffsPlease]

9 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

Yeah he is literally the only guy I have heard who thinks it's a bad pick.

 

And I just don't see "high-risk, high-reward" with Oliver either.

Oliver size and limited experience against top college competition are definitely elements of risk .

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

This guy thinks it was a high risk-high reward pick, @Joe in Winslow thinks it was an okay, safe pick. I don’t know what the hell to think anymore.

 

Same grade though lol

[BillsFan17]

See what happens is, it was once the in thing to mock Buffalo regardless... now it's not the in thing to do anymore. Yet, guys like Benoit are still trying to rag on the Bills. Exposing that he either knows zero about football or is just trying to rag on the Bills like a clown.

[TAinLack.]

17 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

Did this guy forget to take his medication this week?  Wow!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

19 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

....sure hope Andy doesn't quit his day job...........

[Heff]

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[apuszczalowski]

Lol, so they had no need to replace Kyle William's?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

23 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Wow! i hate to see what he thinks of our other picks because Oliver was the best ,  our last two picks will be off the roster once Sean and Beane are fired.  Like is Sean going to keep 7-8 RB'S on this team.

based off the many negative takes you been throwing around here, I'd have to believe you're not too happy with this regime and how their building their team, that's too bad, for you.

 

unfortunately for you though, all the negativity you have toward the team will not change a thing, because well, this regime is far from being fired, niagara dude.

 

fired, lmao

 

 

Edited April 27, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Magox]

What was Benoit's grade on Josh Allen and Josh Rosen last year?

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

He just wants to be "that guy"...

 

2019 social media outlets know that negativity becomes more of a headline than positivity...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

 

Totally misses the loss of Kyle Williams - both Phillips started 0 games last year - or the point that if the center of the line requires more blocking, it frees up the ponies on the edges.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

What was Benoit's grade on Josh Allen and Josh Rosen last year?

Grade: B+ arizona

Grade: B buffalo

2018 NFL Draft Grades: Analysis of All 32 Teams

[berg1029]

It sounds like he is over estimating the worth of Harrison Phillips at this point in his career

[Doc]

My son told me about this last year.  My response was "SI is still around?"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

His take makes little sense.  Yeah we can still use an edge guy but did he realize Kyle retired?

 

No.  No, he does not. 

I don't think he realizes Kyle Williams existed, much less that as 6'1", 300 lb DT he was a 6x pro bowler with a 12 year career - after being drafted in the 5th.

 

 

[Luka]

He has the athleticism to play anywhere along the front 4. You could seriously see him play the edge in certain packages. His measurebles are unbelievable. He ran the short shuttle a hundredth of a second slower than Antonio Brown. The pick is very much in the vein of Josh Allen and Termaine Edmunds. Guys who are young or maybe come from smaller schools but have no ceiling when it comes to athleticism.

[PetermansRedemption]

41 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Wow! i hate to see what he thinks of our other picks because Oliver was the best ,  our last two picks will be off the roster once Sean and Beane are fired.  Like is Sean going to keep 7-8 RB'S on this team.

They currently have 5 that even have a possibility of making the roster. And that is 5 WITH Marcus Murphy counted, who is an easy cut ?

Edited April 27, 2019 by Bills2ref

[nedboy7]

Ignore him.  He is wrong. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, Magox said:

What was Benoit's grade on Josh Allen and Josh Rosen last year?

 

Ah!  Glad you ask.  He gave the Bills a C+ for Josh Allen and the Cardinals an A- for Josh Rosen.

To do him some credit, he did correctly call out Josh Allen's mobility as an underlooked factor and correctly call out inconsistent ball placement as a gap in Allen's game.

 

About Rosen he said " the most polished QB in this draft " and "Rosen was an acute field-reader at UCLA and plays a timing-and-rhythm brand of football, which usually translates well to the pros. It’s one reason he’s known for his ability to throw receivers open. He is a great fit for offensive coordinator Mike McCoy"

 

Time will tell.

To provide some factual substrate for further discussion, here are the stats of each rookie QB normalized to 16 games:

[formerlyofCtown]

57 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

Hes a "Need" idiot.

[billspro]

29 minutes ago, Magox said:

What was Benoit's grade on Josh Allen and Josh Rosen last year?

 

Benoit hates Allen and hates the Bills. I had to unfollow him on twitter because he says things just to rile up the Billsmafia and get views.

[BillsVet]

59 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

Or that they signed Trent Murphy to a 5 year deal last year?

 

Not saying they don't still have Edge as a need, but like pretty much all national "reporters,"  way to happy to make "bold" statements in ignorance.

 

Murphy signed a 3 year 22.5M deal last off-season. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/trent-murphy-14456/

[billspro]

25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No.  No, he does not. 

I don't think he realizes Kyle Williams existed, much less that as 6'1", 300 lb DT he was a 6x pro bowler with a 12 year career - after being drafted in the 5th.

 

 

 

He does this stuff all the time, you just have to ignore Benoit.

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

 

So doesn’t understand a thin about the Bills and slams them for not reaching for a perceived need of his. 

[HOUSE]

Sounds very knowledgeable

New England AAAAA

Buffalo CCCC

 

 

 

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Edited April 27, 2019 by HOUSE

[dubs]

1 hour ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

 

Wait, are teams supposed to draft for need now??  I thought it was BPA!  Can’t keep up

[mead107]

Funniest thing I have heard about our draft. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, Heavy Kevi said:

https://amp-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/04/25/buffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F04%2F25%2Fbuffalo-bills-nfl-draft-picks-selections-grades-list-analysis

 

Gives us B's and an A- for the other picks, but had an interesting take on the Oliver pick:

 

Ed Oliver, DT, Houston

Andy Benoit's grade: C

"Most likely, the Bills saw this as a value pick. And after signing Star Lotulelei for big money in free agency last year, to pair with 2018 third-rounder Harrison Phillips and gifted (though mercurial) ex-Dolphin Jordan Phillips, they didn’t have a glaring need at defensive tackle. But outside, they badly need an edge rusher, as 2016 first-rounder Shaq Lawson is not that guy and Jerry Hughes could be in his last year with the club. That said, you can make room for a dynamic gap penetrator. Oliver relies on quickness and elusiveness within confined areas, which is a unique style of play. But considering his having had an up-and-down 2018 season and Buffalo not badly needing a defensive tackle, overall this is a high-risk, high-reward pick for a team looking to add talent in multiple places."

He demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the skill sets of the Bills existing lineman and their scheme with this post.  Not credible.

[H2o]

Aaaaand 0 's were actually given.