Zerovoltz Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: The basic argument that Rosen can be had for cheap has merit. However, if that was the only criterion, why shouldnt Arizona keep him as insurance instead of trading him for pennies on the dollar? The obvious reason he can be had for cheap is that there can only be one Queen Bee to a hive!! You cant have the cake and eat it too mate. Either say that Rosen is a good backup in which case Arizona should keep him rather than trade him to the Bills for peanuts. Or say, there can only be one King and that is why Arizona is going to let him go for cheap which means that the Bills (with Allen as the unquestioned king) should not acquire him even if he can be had for cheap. I said earlier on in this post somewhere that the Cardinals SHOULD keep him and draft Murray for this very reason. If I was on a Cardinals board, I'd be advocating they hold on to him. ....that would be very similar to the Cowboys taking Aikman then Walsh and keeping both until 1 emerged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo86 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 minute ago, IgotBILLStopay said: The basic argument that Rosen can be had for cheap has merit. However, if that was the only criterion, why shouldnt Arizona keep him as insurance instead of trading him for pennies on the dollar? The obvious reason he can be had for cheap is that there can only be one Queen Bee to a hive!! You cant have the cake and eat it too mate. Either say that Rosen is a good backup in which case Arizona should keep him rather than trade him to the Bills for peanuts. Or say, there can only be one King and that is why Arizona is going to let him go for cheap which means that the Bills (with Allen as the unquestioned king) should not acquire him even if he can be had for cheap. A welcome bit of logic to the thread. At the same time, teams don't typically earn the #1 pick by making all the right decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Zerovotlz said: .....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U. Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time. Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong. He needed to make sure he had one. No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks. ....keep that in mind.... As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower) Rosen is cheap. He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick. While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55? What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust? You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go. You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence. Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle. If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete. If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year. If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move. That's why Jimmy did it. Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often. ? nope, horrible idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 and we thought I Eat Crayons was gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 Just now, Buffalo86 said: A welcome bit of logic to the thread. At the same time, teams don't typically earn the #1 pick by making all the right decisions. Again....Arizona should keep him.....since they aren't though....and since he is available....in my opinion....he would make the ideal insuarnce policy (INSUARANCE POLICY!) to have in case Allen doesn't become what you hope for. It is rare that such a prospect would be available to have as a hedge in such a case. Jimmy Johnson...who knew what he was doing clearly.....had this same strategy form the beginning of his run with the Cowboys. He gave himself the best odds to have that franchise guy. I can't stress enough...I am not arguing you drafted the wrong Josh....or that Rosen is better. I am NOT making that case here. I am pointing out that this is a very unusual chance to increase your odds to find "the man". Once Allen becomes the man...oyu trade Rosen....or if Allen doesn't, you have Rosen on hand to try. You already know Barclay is NOT the man....Anderson is NOT the man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 They drafted the correct Josh. No need to waste anything on Rosen. Barkley is a much better option and he's already on the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Yep, that’s an unpopular take 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: I said earlier on in this post somewhere that the Cardinals SHOULD keep him and draft Murray for this very reason. If I was on a Cardinals board, I'd be advocating they hold on to him. ....that would be very similar to the Cowboys taking Aikman then Walsh and keeping both until 1 emerged. Quote 1 minute ago, Buffalo86 said: A welcome bit of logic to the thread. At the same time, teams don't typically earn the #1 pick by making all the right decisions. As Buffalo86 says, to make OP's idea work, we need a bit of market inefficiency here. To make a Bills trade more palatable, say something like Beane has recently stated that he is going to still evaluate Qbs in the draft since there may be some QBs who are undervalued that he can subsequently trade for a profit. So if Beane believes that Rosen can be had for cheap and later flipped for more compensation, then we should trade for him. Buy low sell high. I still wouldnt do it, but that at least is consistent with Beane's own statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TakeYouToTasker Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 September 8th can't get here fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I agree completely. 2 is better than one. Injuries, you never know. Look at the Eagles. Besides Rosen might be better. It's 50/50 at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 This thread is an Instant Classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: Again....Arizona should keep him.....since they aren't though....and since he is available....in my opinion....he would make the ideal insuarnce policy (INSUARANCE POLICY!) to have in case Allen doesn't become what you hope for. It is rare that such a prospect would be available to have as a hedge in such a case. Jimmy Johnson...who knew what he was doing clearly.....had this same strategy form the beginning of his run with the Cowboys. He gave himself the best odds to have that franchise guy. I can't stress enough...I am not arguing you drafted the wrong Josh....or that Rosen is better. I am NOT making that case here. I am pointing out that this is a very unusual chance to increase your odds to find "the man". Once Allen becomes the man...oyu trade Rosen....or if Allen doesn't, you have Rosen on hand to try. You already know Barclay is NOT the man....Anderson is NOT the man.... I understand & wasn't putting your idea down. I just preferred igotBILLStopay's counter to the chorus of "you're an idiot, you're not a Bills fan, stay off our board". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Wtf?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 And my Antonio Brown pissing on a Bills hat thread got shut down after 2 pages ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 That's dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Remember that time an anamolous thing happened? Let’s make future football decisions based on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Yes, then trade him to Tampa for Evans and whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Did you used to eat lead paint chips as a kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 This notion is absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Nice try... WRONG JOSH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 It's not the worst idea I've ever heard. Think about it. Okay, it's the worst idea I've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Pure troll thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Hmmmm...a QB needy team that drafted its future franchise in Rosen 12months ago is getting ready to drop him like a hot potato as they’d rather start from scratch in the draft again than see more of him...yeah, I’d like to spend one of our high draft picks to pick him up...because why again? Sorry, I lost the logic while repeating it back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: The basic argument that Rosen can be had for cheap has merit. However, if that was the only criterion, why shouldnt Arizona keep him as insurance instead of trading him for pennies on the dollar? The obvious reason he can be had for cheap is that there can only be one Queen Bee to a hive!! You cant have the cake and eat it too mate. Either say that Rosen is a good backup in which case Arizona should keep him rather than trade him to the Bills for peanuts. Or say, there can only be one King and that is why Arizona is going to let him go for cheap which means that the Bills (with Allen as the unquestioned king) should not acquire him even if he can be had for cheap. The flip side is that as a day two trade he’s not the king that a top half of round 1 pick is. Depending on the definition of cheap- he makes sense for just about any team as a flyer (given even moderate scheme fit). Even if mediocre he’s a relatively average back up on an affordable contract it won’t happen here, but it’s not the level of crazy some are portraying 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nemhoff Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Drunk night posts, dilly dilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Rather have Rosen than Mahomes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Is this the Savior Edwards/Peterman guy? Just revamping his schtick after like 10 long, boring years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I have a special face plant dent on my deak reserved for threads such as this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Nelius said: Is this the Savior Edwards/Peterman guy? Just revamping his schtick after like 10 long, boring years? No...I'm Zerovoltz from KC. I'm not Jeffismagic. I don't actually post here that much. I do my actual TROLLING over at Orangemane.com. I enjoy giving Broncos fans crap....I LIKE you folks here. Over there I troll away..they let me join their fantasy leauges.....I drafted Mahomes..won their money...have made and won some other bets with them...and generally just give them crap. https://www.orangemane.com/forum/orange-mane-discussion/orange-mane-central-discussion/20009- My name is Gary. I am originally from KC, but live in the DFW area of texas now. My wife is pretty easy on the eyes. Here is a picture of me and Poncho Billa at the 2018 Draft down here (Jerry Dome) and here is my facebook page.... https://www.facebook.com/gary.hamilton.714 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: No...I'm Zerovoltz from KC. I'm not Jeffismagic. I don't actually post here that much. I do my actual TROLLING over at Orangemane.com. I enjoy giving Broncos fans crap....I LIKE you folks here. Over there I troll away..they let me join their fantasy leauges.....I drafted Mahomes..won their money...have made and won some other bets with them...and generally just give them crap. https://www.orangemane.com/forum/orange-mane-discussion/orange-mane-central-discussion/20009- My name is Gary. I am originally from KC, but live in the DFW area of texas now. My wife is pretty easy on the eyes. Here is a picture of me and Poncho Billa at the 2018 Draft down here (Jerry Dome) and here is my facebook page.... https://www.facebook.com/gary.hamilton.714 Ok sorry. I live in Denver and consider Broncos fans the juggalos of the NFL, so you're cool with me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockee96 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I'm actually on board with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 There are some really dumb threads on this board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) I think we're a season away from making this type of move. The part you haven't really considered is what message a trade like this sends not only to Allen but the rest of the team. Right now Allen is the guy that Bills are building around. There's a common goal of seeing him improve in his role and become a franchise guy. Trading for Rosen would shake the faith. You bring up Steve Walsh but that was 30 years ago. People are different now. Smarter. These kids see through the BS. If you send the message that you're giving up on one of your main building blocks before he's proven unworthy you risk cracking the foundation of the culture if you're trying to build. Edited March 29, 2019 by VW82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, VW82 said: I think we're a season away from making this type of move. The part you haven't really considered is what message a trade like this sends not only to Allen but the rest of the team. Right now Allen is the guy that Bills are building around. There's a common goal of seeing him improve in his role and become a franchise guy. Trading for Rosen would shake the faith. You bring up Steve Walsh but that was 30 years ago. People are different now. Smarter. These kids see through the BS. If you send the message that you're giving up on one of your main building blocks before he's proven unworthy you risk cracking the foundation of the culture if you're trying to build. I did address this in the thread...and I can agree there is some validity to this....my coutner point is that Aikman probalby didn't think it was cool for Jimmy to bring in Walsh. Aikman didn't complain or whine about it...he competed and won. I'd like to think that Allen, who is a professional athlete being handsomely paid...would also compete...If Allen folded up into the fetal position because Rosen arrived on the scene then Allen was never your guy to begin with probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Worst Thread EVER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 58 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: I did address this in the thread...and I can agree there is some validity to this....my coutner point is that Aikman probalby didn't think it was cool for Jimmy to bring in Walsh. Aikman didn't complain or whine about it...he competed and won. I'd like to think that Allen, who is a professional athlete being handsomely paid...would also compete...If Allen folded up into the fetal position because Rosen arrived on the scene then Allen was never your guy to begin with probably. Words. Maybe stop typing them and actually THINK about what your brain is trying to tell your fingers. Words like supplemental draft. And second round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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