C.Biscuit97 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 These coaching changes killed him. I thought he was going to be a real solid piece after his rookie year. Personally, I’d rather keep a youngish olinemen with some potential than create another hole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 12 hours ago, BuffAlone said: I don't think he sucks. Wrong scheme fit, probably. Think at this point he's better than Ducasse and Teller. But at what cost is the deal breaker... Scheme fit? You can run block, pass block or you can't and this kid outright stinks at this point. He might look a bit better with upgrades at RT, OC but he would still be the weakest link. The entire 2018 Buffalo Bills starting line needs to be revamped with maybe keeping the one decent player in Dawkins as an OG, RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: That's not fair. RJ didn't throw many picks! In all seriousness though, all I can add isn't that Johnson coached under Scott Linehan, Jim Caldwell, and Jack Del Rio who have all traditionally run power run schemes. (Though some of that was as a tight ends coach). What he was doing in Indy last year was all power stuff as well. I really hope we see we see something similar to what Indy and New England were doing last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Scheme fit? You can run block, pass block or you can't and this kid outright stinks at this point. He might look a bit better with upgrades at RT, OC but he would still be the weakest link. The entire 2018 Buffalo Bills starting line needs to be revamped with maybe keeping the one decent player in Dawkins as an OG, RT. Revamped? Absolutely. Regardless, we need depth at the very least. The kid has shown in the past to at least be worthy of a reserve. And Teller last year was also worthy of that as a rookie. I'm not saying Miller is a 6 million dollar man, but he doesn't suck. I've seen him play well, albeit not recently. If the price is right, you keep him. But an upgrade would certainly be welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: In all seriousness though, all I can add isn't that Johnson coached under Scott Linehan, Jim Caldwell, and Jack Del Rio who have all traditionally run power run schemes. (Though some of that was as a tight ends coach). What he was doing in Indy last year was all power stuff as well. I really hope we see we see something similar to what Indy and New England were doing last year. Same. I know the objective is to improve the athleticism of the line this offseason, but that's a task. It would likely take more than offseason to accomplish this. The only two players(Teller/Dawkins) currently on the roster that project as long term guys are far better suited for the power scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Scheme fit? You can run block, pass block or you can't and this kid outright stinks at this point. He might look a bit better with upgrades at RT, OC but he would still be the weakest link. The entire 2018 Buffalo Bills starting line needs to be revamped with maybe keeping the one decent player in Dawkins as an OG, RT. I don’t think it’s nearly as simple as you are making it out to be. There have been plying o linemen that struggled, went to a a new team, and became solid players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Man there was a time we felt like johnny was looking like a pro bowl guard. Consistency is a huge thing tho, it's biting us a little with Dawk now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said: he also had some major adversities in his life that he had to deal with and people tend to not want to consider any of that. I can sympathize with his hardships, hey we all have them in some form or another. But you have to believe OBD will approach this from a business perspective, past production and scheme fit. And from what we've seen he's not a world beater by any means, including his rookie year. TBH he's not much better than a vet minimum contract as a 2nd string player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 No doubt in my mind... GO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: As far as I'm concerned the Rob Johnson scheme is to take sacks, throw interceptions and look like a douche. check, check annnnd check! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 12 hours ago, eSJayDee said: As I recall, he wasn't that good as a rookie, but showed promise. His 2nd yr he was pretty good. He regressed once Castillo came & they changed schemes. I think the new OL coach should have a strong say as to whether or not he's worth trying to salvage for the $. Accurate assessment. This year was clearly his worst. I don't know if I'd sign even as depth. Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 7 hours ago, HOUSE said: Won't break my heart either way. I would rather blame you guys later. I’m sure that room will be rather crowded. That’s how it works ‘round these parts. 11 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Accurate assessment. This year was clearly his worst. I don't know if I'd sign even as depth. Time to move on. But with the right coaching and scheme, can he be salvaged? I really have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m sure that room will be rather crowded. That’s how it works ‘round these parts. But with the right coaching and scheme, can he be salvaged? I really have no idea. ...something ain't passing the smell test Augie....the guy went from the opinionated penthouse to the outhouse too quickly....and it was to alleged to be Castillo's scheme...maybe Nine Juan Juan is gone because he failed to develop a scheme to fit his personnel versus his inflexible thinking?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Green Lightning said: Agree. I like to give the new OL coach a shot at him. He does have some talent. New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement. OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 9 hours ago, thurst44 said: If Buffalo Rumblings is correct about his price, sure. He's showed extended flashes of promise (unfortunately has been a disaster more often), but as many have said here, maybe with a new coach, and it's insurance if we bust on all of our FA OL. excellent ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement. OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason They would have to sign him first... that’s the point of the thread. He’s a FA. Should the Bills re-sign him? From the article: Contract Projection If I’m the Bills, I offer Miller Vlad Ducasse money because I’m probably only keeping one of them around. Ducasse is set to make $2 million in 2019, the final year of his contract. That number is mostly in line with the other contracts listed above, which value marginal starting guards at just over $2 million per season. Two years, $4.8 million including $500,000 signing bonus 2019 Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000 Salary: $2 million Cap hit: $2.25 million 2020 Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000 Salary: $2.3 million Cap hit: $2.55 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 You have to wonder if it is a coaching or scheme fit. He seems to have the physical tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Let him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: They would have to sign him first... that’s the point of the thread. He’s a FA. Should the Bills re-sign him? From the article: Beat me to it Yolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 18 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...was reading an article on the Top TEN FA OL......Miller was at #9........... 9. John Miller, Guard After playing only four games and being benched for Vladimir Ducasse in 2017, Miller returned to a starting role with the Buffalo Bills last season. At just 25 years old, Miller offers teams a younger option than some of the names on this list, but also an option that hasn’t yet broken an overall grade of 70.0 in a season. This past season, he was only charged with one sack in 529 pass-blocking snaps, however. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-10-interior-offensive-linemen-set-to-enter-free-agency-in-2019 Interesting that he only allowed one sack all season--no doubt Allen's scrambling ability helped all the line in that stat, but still impressive. I really like the idea of Finney, seems to have a big upside, many years left, and could be reasonably affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, CSBill said: Interesting that he only allowed one sack all season--no doubt Allen's scrambling ability helped all the line in that stat, but still impressive. I really like the idea of Finney, seems to have a big upside, many years left, and could be reasonably affordable. It's not so impressive when you have so many weak links in the chain like the 2018 Buffalo Bills had on that line. Literally, every position looked like a liability at some point...even Dion Dawkins. https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-interior-offensive-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: It's not so impressive when you have so many weak links in the chain like the 2018 Buffalo Bills had on that line. Literally, every position looked like a liability at some point...even Dion Dawkins. https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-interior-offensive-line It seems like you’re all over the place. You say the oline had a ton of weaknesses yet Miller only allowed one sack. Wouldn’t that make that more impressive? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) On 2/10/2019 at 8:35 PM, YoloinOhio said: Two years, $4.8 million including $500,000 signing bonus 2019 Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000 Salary: $2 million Cap hit: $2.25 million 2020 Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000 Salary: $2.3 million Cap hit: $2.55 million I sign him to this today as insurance. Then I try to find an upgrade when FA starts - or in the draft if that fails. He can pass block so at minimum I know he can keep Allen upright. Still I can’t help but wonder why he isn’t at LG. Seems like it’d be a much better fit for a guy who can pass block way better than he can run block. If he doesn’t sign it then I’m looking elsewhere in FA. Edited February 12, 2019 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 I really was in this kids corner for a long time.....but as bad as this OL was last year and as bad as he PLAYED on this bad OL.......I would be looking to replace him. The only guys I would even keep are Teller and Dawkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 1:05 PM, ProcessTruster said: New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement. OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason He was 1 of the worst O-linemen on one of the worst O-lines in the NFL: IF he CAN NOT easily be replaced, the scouting/personnel department should be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 12:41 PM, MrEpsYtown said: As far as I'm concerned the Rob Johnson scheme is to take sacks, throw interceptions and look like a douche. What, you didn't like the bandana look?? On 2/10/2019 at 7:42 AM, Coach Tuesday said: Problem seems to be mental. There's meds for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Freddie's Dead Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 9:45 PM, wppete said: Let him go What happened to Miller? I let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 In 2017,he got yanked in Cincinnati (rain game) and never suited up again that year..it was odd because he wasn't playing horribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Another Whaley gem. Hit the road, Jack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, Rico said: Another Whaley gem. Hit the road, Jack! Not specifically you, but I can’t help if I’m 5 years posters will be saying, “Another Bean Gem” sarcastically. Miller was by far not Whaley’s worst pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Look for other options first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Run blocking was the bigger problem with the Bills line. I’m not an O Line coach but it seems to me it comes down to power and technique to move the defender off the line. I have to wonder how much of that comes down to proper coaching and attention to detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 11:39 PM, Rc2catch said: I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t stick around and with some improvement contend for a starting job. All depends on his price tag right? I have my doubts they can draft/sign enough linemen to just lose everyone. The FO will judge locker room and work ethic and those will be deciding factors if they want to bring him back imo. Not just salary Improvement?, he has been in the league 4 years. I have seen enough. He does make way too many mistakes, he set the record in 2018 for blocking air. There will be no improvement from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) I think he struggled because of how fluid Daboll wants the offense to be. It can be a different blocking scheme from week to week and he seems like a guy that's more suited for an offense that doesn't switch it up too often. Edited February 21, 2019 by blacklabel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Not specifically you, but I can’t help if I’m 5 years posters will be saying, “Another Bean Gem” sarcastically. Miller was by far not Whaley’s worst pick. If Beane totally sh#ts the bed in an unprofessional manner like Dimwit Doug did, I will be glad to call him out on it. It wouldn’t be Another Beane Gem though, I’d come up with some new shtick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Go please. He’s not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 8:23 PM, BuffaloBill said: You have to wonder if it is a coaching or scheme fit. He seems to have the physical tools. Yes he does, I don't think he has the mental capability, after 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Hard to see more than nominal improvement since year 1. I think 4 years is enough. Can only point at coaching for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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