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RG John Miller - stay or go?


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12 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

I don't think he sucks. Wrong scheme fit, probably. Think at this point he's better than Ducasse and Teller. But at what cost is the deal breaker...

Scheme fit?

 

You can run block, pass block or you can't and this kid outright stinks at this point. He might look a bit better with upgrades at RT, OC but he would still be the weakest link. 

 

The entire 2018 Buffalo Bills starting line needs to be revamped with maybe keeping the one decent player in Dawkins as an OG, RT.

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4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's not fair. RJ didn't throw many picks!

 

In all seriousness though, all I can add isn't that Johnson coached under Scott Linehan, Jim Caldwell, and Jack Del Rio who have all traditionally run power run schemes. (Though some of that was as a tight ends coach). What he was doing in Indy last year was all power stuff as well. 

 

I really hope we see we see something similar to what Indy and New England were doing last year. 

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11 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Scheme fit?

 

You can run block, pass block or you can't and this kid outright stinks at this point. He might look a bit better with upgrades at RT, OC but he would still be the weakest link. 

 

The entire 2018 Buffalo Bills starting line needs to be revamped with maybe keeping the one decent player in Dawkins as an OG, RT.

Revamped? Absolutely. Regardless, we need depth at the very least. The kid has shown in the past to at least be worthy of a reserve. And Teller last year was also worthy of that as a rookie. I'm not saying Miller is a 6 million dollar man, but he doesn't suck. I've seen him play well, albeit not recently. If the price is right, you keep him. But an upgrade would certainly be welcome

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11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

In all seriousness though, all I can add isn't that Johnson coached under Scott Linehan, Jim Caldwell, and Jack Del Rio who have all traditionally run power run schemes. (Though some of that was as a tight ends coach). What he was doing in Indy last year was all power stuff as well. 

 

I really hope we see we see something similar to what Indy and New England were doing last year. 

Same. I know the objective is to improve the athleticism of the line this offseason, but that's a task. It would likely take more than offseason to accomplish this. The only two players(Teller/Dawkins) currently on the roster that project as long term guys are far better suited for the power scheme. 

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46 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Scheme fit?

 

You can run block, pass block or you can't and this kid outright stinks at this point. He might look a bit better with upgrades at RT, OC but he would still be the weakest link. 

 

The entire 2018 Buffalo Bills starting line needs to be revamped with maybe keeping the one decent player in Dawkins as an OG, RT.

I don’t think it’s nearly as simple as you are making it out to be.  There have been plying o linemen that struggled, went to a a new team, and became solid players.  

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1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

 

 

he also had some major adversities in his life that he had to deal with and people tend to not want to consider any of that.

I can sympathize with his hardships, hey we all have them in some form or another. But you have to believe OBD will approach this from a business perspective, past production and scheme fit. And from what we've seen he's not a world beater by any means, including his rookie year. TBH he's not much better than a vet minimum contract as a 2nd string player. 

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12 hours ago, eSJayDee said:

As I recall, he wasn't that good as a rookie, but showed promise.  His 2nd yr he was pretty good.  He regressed once Castillo came & they changed schemes.  I think the new OL coach should have a strong say as to whether or not he's worth trying to salvage for the $.

Accurate assessment.  This year was clearly his worst. I don't know if I'd sign even as depth. Time to move on.

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7 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Won't break my heart either way. I would rather blame you guys later.

 

I’m sure that room will be rather crowded. That’s how it works ‘round these parts. 

11 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Accurate assessment.  This year was clearly his worst. I don't know if I'd sign even as depth. Time to move on.

 

But with the right coaching and scheme, can he be salvaged? I really have no idea. 

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22 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m sure that room will be rather crowded. That’s how it works ‘round these parts. 

 

But with the right coaching and scheme, can he be salvaged? I really have no idea. 

 

...something ain't passing the smell test Augie....the guy went from the opinionated penthouse to the outhouse too quickly....and it was to alleged to be Castillo's scheme...maybe Nine Juan Juan is gone because he failed to develop a scheme to fit his personnel versus his inflexible thinking?.....

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7 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

Agree. I like to give the new OL coach a shot at him. He does have some talent.

New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement.  OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason

 

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9 hours ago, thurst44 said:

If Buffalo Rumblings is correct about his price, sure. He's showed extended flashes of promise (unfortunately has been a disaster more often), but as many have said here, maybe with a new coach, and it's insurance if we bust on all of our FA OL. 

excellent ! !

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4 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement.  OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason

 

They would have to sign him first... that’s the point of the thread. He’s a FA. Should the Bills re-sign him?

From the article:

Contract Projection

If I’m the Bills, I offer Miller Vlad Ducasse money because I’m probably only keeping one of them around. Ducasse is set to make $2 million in 2019, the final year of his contract. That number is mostly in line with the other contracts listed above, which value marginal starting guards at just over $2 million per season.

Two years, $4.8 million including $500,000 signing bonus

2019
Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000
Salary: $2 million
Cap hit: $2.25 million

2020
Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000
Salary: $2.3 million
Cap hit: $2.55 million

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18 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...was reading an article on the Top TEN FA OL......Miller was at #9...........

 

9. John Miller, Guard

After playing only four games and being benched for Vladimir Ducasse in 2017, Miller returned to a starting role with the Buffalo Bills last season. At just 25 years old, Miller offers teams a younger option than some of the names on this list, but also an option that hasn’t yet broken an overall grade of 70.0 in a season. This past season, he was only charged with one sack in 529 pass-blocking snaps, however.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-10-interior-offensive-linemen-set-to-enter-free-agency-in-2019

 

 

 

Interesting that he only allowed one sack all season--no doubt Allen's scrambling ability helped all the line in that stat, but still impressive.

 

I really like the idea of Finney, seems to have a big upside, many years left, and could be reasonably affordable.

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1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

Interesting that he only allowed one sack all season--no doubt Allen's scrambling ability helped all the line in that stat, but still impressive.

 

I really like the idea of Finney, seems to have a big upside, many years left, and could be reasonably affordable.

It's not so impressive when you have so many weak links in the chain like the 2018 Buffalo Bills had on that line. Literally, every position looked like a liability at some point...even Dion Dawkins.

 

 https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-interior-offensive-line

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1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

It's not so impressive when you have so many weak links in the chain like the 2018 Buffalo Bills had on that line. Literally, every position looked like a liability at some point...even Dion Dawkins.

 

 https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-interior-offensive-line

It seems like you’re all over the place.  You say the oline had a ton of weaknesses yet Miller only allowed one sack.  Wouldn’t that make that more impressive? 

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On 2/10/2019 at 8:35 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Two years, $4.8 million including $500,000 signing bonus

2019
Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000
Salary: $2 million
Cap hit: $2.25 million

2020
Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000
Salary: $2.3 million
Cap hit: $2.55 million

 

I sign him to this today as insurance. Then I try to find an upgrade when FA starts - or in the draft if that fails.  He can pass block so at minimum I know he can keep Allen upright. Still I can’t help but wonder why he isn’t at LG. Seems like it’d be a much better fit for a guy who can pass block way better than he can run block.  If he doesn’t sign it then I’m looking elsewhere in FA. 

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On 2/10/2019 at 1:05 PM, ProcessTruster said:

New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement.  OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason

 

 

He was 1 of the worst O-linemen on one of the worst O-lines in the NFL:  IF he CAN NOT easily be replaced, the scouting/personnel department should be...

 

 

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On 2/10/2019 at 12:41 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

 

As far as I'm concerned the Rob Johnson scheme is to take sacks, throw interceptions and look like a douche. 

What, you didn't like the bandana look??

On 2/10/2019 at 7:42 AM, Coach Tuesday said:

Problem seems to be mental.

There's meds for that.

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On 2/9/2019 at 11:39 PM, Rc2catch said:

I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t stick around and with some improvement contend for a starting job. All depends on his price tag right? 

I have my doubts they can draft/sign enough linemen to just lose everyone. 

The FO will judge locker room and work ethic and those will be deciding factors if they want to bring him back imo. Not just salary 

 

Improvement?, he has been in the league 4 years. I have seen enough.  He does make way too many mistakes, he set the record in 2018 for blocking air.  

 

There will be no improvement from him.

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I think he struggled because of how fluid Daboll wants the offense to be. It can be a different blocking scheme from week to week and he seems like a guy that's more suited for an offense that doesn't switch it up too often.

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2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

Not specifically you, but I can’t help if I’m 5 years posters will be saying, “Another Bean Gem” sarcastically. 

 

Miller was by far not Whaley’s worst pick.

If Beane totally sh#ts the bed in an unprofessional manner like Dimwit Doug did,  I will be glad to call him out on it. It wouldn’t be Another Beane Gem though, I’d come up with some new shtick. :D

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