formerlyofCtown Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, K-9 said: Employees have the right to establish their own codes of conduct and the requesite punishment for violations of those codes. The courts have nothing to do with it. Nor should they. Now, if the young lady in question should decide to press charges against Hunt then, and ONLY then, would the courts would have the requisite responsibility to decide the matter. This conflation of rules of conduct established by private business and the rule of law is wrong. Youre talking statues and code. The Bill of rights supercedes all other law. It just isnt enforced and hasnt been for a long time. If you think you have any of those rights try to use em. Also in actuality if the state believes that their is enough evidence to pursue charges they can press charges on there own. Especially in these types of instances, which is also unconstitutional as you have the right to face your accuser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Doc said: You need to look up the definition of the word "excuse" chief (it would apply more to you excusing her for racism because she's a mad woman). Nowhere did I say he was justified in touching her. So the teenage girl went to his apartment that night to carry out a racist attack? Putting Hunt on our roster sets terrible example for the young men we're trying to develop. It says violence against women is OK if you're gifted enough to pull it off. I don't mind hard cases, or character issues, but I draw my line at physical violence against women. Until more men do the same, scenes like this and worse will continue to play out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Youre talking statues and code. The Bill of rights supercedes all other law. It just isnt enforced and hasnt been for a long time. If you think you have any of those rights try to use em. Also in actuality if the state believes that their is enough evidence to pursue charges they can press charges on there own. Especially in these types of instances, which is also unconstitutional as you have the right to face your accuser. I’m not talking statues and codes at all. I’m talking the code of conduct clauses in standard NFL contracts and the right of private businesses to enforce punishment as they see fit in accordance with those rules. The idea that the NFL is acting as law enforcement is absurd. And you’re right. The state can bring charges if it deems it worthwhile, the woman can press charges or not, and Hunt is free to seek remedy from the NFL. Or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I live in Willoughby, met Kareem the summer before his senior year and just want to add a couple things from my local level to the discussion. Kareem lived in Elyria (West side of CLE) in a bad situation before his mom decided to get him out and move to Willoughby. I met him working out at a local field and he was very friendly and respectful. After he was drafted he came back to speak at the schools to encourage working hard/following your dream. During his rookie season he came back for one South high game with his mom. He was very gracious, talked to everyone, signed every autograph and stayed the entire game. This season when the chiefs played the Browns he bought tickets for the entire South team, probably came to a game but I only attended one. There's no excuse for his behavior towards that girl, but he also wasn't trying to beat the crap out of her. To label him as some habitually angry, violent, man is unfair from what I know. He's a kid from a bad past who needs to get his head straight and I believe he will. I do think LeSean is washed up and Kareem would be a great back up plan, but this is an RB and may not be worth the risk. Just my 0.02 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_dunkirk Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Hmmm...which team does Hunt sign with: Chicago or Buffalo. Really hard choice...not. This thread is just fantasy for the posters here. EDIT: Why can't I vote in the poll? Edited January 21, 2019 by from_dunkirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 hours ago, #34fan said: So the teenage girl went to his apartment that night to carry out a racist attack? Putting Hunt on our roster sets terrible example for the young men we're trying to develop. It says violence against women is OK if you're gifted enough to pull it off. I don't mind hard cases, or character issues, but I draw my line at physical violence against women. Until more men do the same, scenes like this and worse will continue to play out. I never said she went to his apartment intending to carry out a racist attack. But she did and there's no excuse for it, much less because she's a woman and she's mad. He also wasn't right to shove her and she wasn't right to shove him back. But again, once it got physical, she should have high-tailed it out of there and called the cops, not escalated it by shoving him back and then going after him. No doubt alcohol affected their judgments and I suspect that since he's a minor, shoved him back and suffered no real injuries, those are the reasons why she's not pressing charges or even filing a civil suit. As for what message it would send, it would be that people deserve second chances. It happens everywhere, not just the NFL. And again with a female CEO, the Bills would be the best able to weather any PR storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I'm sick of being the nice guy, I want to win football games and we have a chance to get a difference maker on offense to help us reach the SB. I've seen the video and I'm pretty sure this was a big wake up call for the young man, he made a mistake and lets see if he has learned from it. We would get a top notch young player without using a draft pick or trading for him, this is a move I'd make all day long imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 hours ago, from_dunkirk said: Hmmm...which team does Hunt sign with: Chicago or Buffalo. Really hard choice...not. This thread is just fantasy for the posters here. EDIT: Why can't I vote in the poll? Who will pay more money? Who has 2 RBS and who has a bigger need? Howard, and Cohen are the best 1,2 punch in football. I dont see them being big players on Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I'm sick of being the nice guy, I want to win football games and we have a chance to get a difference maker on offense to help us reach the SB. I've seen the video and I'm pretty sure this was a big wake up call for the young man, he made a mistake and lets see if he has learned from it. We would get a top notch young player without using a draft pick or trading for him, this is a move I'd make all day long imo. 3 drunken assaults since last JAN including this one - which was different as included video. Here's hoping that Kareem gets the help he needs fighting his personal demons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 He did show so much remorse for his actions, once the video came out months after the incident...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 This thing is pretty complicated. Based on all the facts I expect he will get another chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Both people at faults IMO. Hunt shouldn't done that. But bouncer for Strip Club might have this problem all the time with all kinds of people as an example. kicking people out. I think some people try to fight back whatever. A minor should of thought better. She should of just left. It's just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, freddyjj said: 3 drunken assaults since last JAN including this one - which was different as included video. Here's hoping that Kareem gets the help he needs fighting his personal demons. We all battle demons at some point, he'll either learn and move on or not but he won't be signing a huge contract and any smart GM will have clauses if he screws up again but there is no denying on the football field he would help us out tremendously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 14 hours ago, #34fan said: So the teenage girl went to his apartment that night to carry out a racist attack? Putting Hunt on our roster sets terrible example for the young men we're trying to develop. It says violence against women is OK if you're gifted enough to pull it off. I don't mind hard cases, or character issues, but I draw my line at physical violence against women. Until more men do the same, scenes like this and worse will continue to play out. Any timeline available of when she is gonna bounce back from that “beating” ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 How much were the Chiefs impacted by the loss of Hunt yesterday? I could not help but wonder that as I saw their sputtering offense in the first half. This idiot damaged his team's chances throughout the season and yesterday with his reckless and criminal behaviour. Yesterday he might have made the difference and we might have seen the Pats ended but NOOOOO!! The Pats once again get a break as fate intervenes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 21 hours ago, njbuff said: He will probably go to Washington. No reason not to increase the size of Dan's Big House. Plus, Dan like's being in the news, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: How much were the Chiefs impacted by the loss of Hunt yesterday? I could not help but wonder that as I saw their sputtering offense in the first half. This idiot damaged his team's chances throughout the season and yesterday with his reckless and criminal behaviour. Yesterday he might have made the difference and we might have seen the Pats ended but NOOOOO!! The Pats once again get a break as fate intervenes!! for sure but the running game goes on the backburner when you are down that much and the Pats held the ball and held the ball and held the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: Who will pay more money? Who has 2 RBS and who has a bigger need? Howard, and Cohen are the best 1,2 punch in football. I dont see them being big players on Hunt. Howard just finished his 3rd season and is likely looking for a huge pay increase. That’s probably the reason they’re sniffing around Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Doc said: I never said she went to his apartment intending to carry out a racist attack. But she did and there's no excuse for it, much less because she's a woman and she's mad. He also wasn't right to shove her and she wasn't right to shove him back. But again, once it got physical, she should have high-tailed it out of there and called the cops, not escalated it by shoving him back and then going after him. No doubt alcohol affected their judgments and I suspect that since he's a minor, shoved him back and suffered no real injuries, those are the reasons why she's not pressing charges or even filing a civil suit. As for what message it would send, it would be that people deserve second chances. It happens everywhere, not just the NFL. And again with a female CEO, the Bills would be the best able to weather any PR storm. Oh yah, SHE should've done this, and SHE should have done that. -But who was the one with everything to lose? She's a broke college kid who couldn't even buy a ride home! Someone like that shouldn't have been worth HIS time... Why did HE choose to follow her down the hallway, instead of shutting the door once she was out? This, plus the other incidents, tells me Hunt doesn't think before pulling the trigger.... Might work on the gridiron, but it's just a matter of time before it all goes left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, #34fan said: Oh yah, SHE should've done this, and SHE should have done that. -But who was the one with everything to lose? She's a broke college kid who couldn't even buy a ride home! Someone like that shouldn't have been worth HIS time... Why did HE choose to follow her down the hallway, instead of shutting the door once she was out? This, plus the other incidents, tells me Hunt doesn't think before pulling the trigger.... Might work on the gridiron, but it's just a matter of time before it all goes left. But he is good at playing a game, she is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I'm sick of being the nice guy, I want to win football games and we have a chance to get a difference maker on offense to help us reach the SB. I've seen the video and I'm pretty sure this was a big wake up call for the young man, he made a mistake and lets see if he has learned from it. We would get a top notch young player without using a draft pick or trading for him, this is a move I'd make all day long imo. A mistake is adding numbers wrong, not kicking a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Ah we need more choir boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Not to worry about this............ there isn't a chance in hell that the Bills are going to sign Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 57 minutes ago, #34fan said: Oh yah, SHE should've done this, and SHE should have done that. -But who was the one with everything to lose? She's a broke college kid who couldn't even buy a ride home! Someone like that shouldn't have been worth HIS time... Why did HE choose to follow her down the hallway, instead of shutting the door once she was out? This, plus the other incidents, tells me Hunt doesn't think before pulling the trigger.... Might work on the gridiron, but it's just a matter of time before it all goes left. Look, I'm not going to make excuses for their actions. They were both in the wrong and could have handled it better. But that's what alcohol does sometimes. Fortunately for them no one got seriously hurt so it's a teaching moment. What they decide to do with it will determine who actually learned from it. 20 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: But he is good at playing a game, she is not That's the way of the world. As they say, don't hate the player hate the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: But he is good at playing a game, she is not I can feel the virtue, beaming in over the monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 hours ago, apuszczalowski said: But he is good at playing a game, she is not Which is why he should have ignored this idiot girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 What gives me pause about him are three possible reported acts of violence within a year as he obviously has a short fuse. It's likely to happen again and if there's a bidding war for him forget it. If you can sign him to a short term reasonable deal with a lot of incentives then I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Is Greg Hardy looking for a team too? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 10:51 PM, #34fan said: So the teenage girl went to his apartment that night to carry out a racist attack? Putting Hunt on our roster sets terrible example for the young men we're trying to develop. It says violence against women is OK if you're gifted enough to pull it off. I don't mind hard cases, or character issues, but I draw my line at physical violence against women. Until more men do the same, scenes like this and worse will continue to play out. The Bills, not you or me, are not developing men. Save that ish for the modified team you coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffBillsForLife said: Is Greg Hardy looking for a team too? No thanks. You don't know anything if you are comparing him to Greg Hardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 After seeing how good the Chiefs backups played, I'm not so sure that Kareem Hunt is a world-beater with elite skills like everyone thought. He could be a product of a good offensive scheme. Then again, I could be wrong. We're not signing him, either way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 4:38 PM, GunnerBill said: I think your reason 5 is wrong. Not in that every event involves women but it is the 2nd fight that is public knowledge and there are rumours of two other incidents too. I think you would have to be convinced it is a one off and I am not sure you could be. In light of the previous incident, I was particularly troubled by the one in question. Anytime you have to be restrained from being physically aggressive, it means you are no longer fully in control of your own behavior. For the most part (with clear exceptions), I don't believe anyone should be defined by what they do in a moment in time, as it doesn't necessarily represent who they truly are as a person. However, when it happens several times, or more, then I think it warrants cause for concern. I hope he gets another chance and proves these incidents were not truly representative of who he is. I just don't think I want my team to be the one to take that risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 12:48 PM, LSHMEAB said: I'd be fine with it. Not a big fan of writing guys off. Bonus; he'd help the football team. I didn't find the video particularly egregious. Charges were warranted yet not pursued, but it was a forgivable offense IMO. If Nagy wants him, the Bills should probably want him too. That would be cool but with one stipulation written into his contract that if any kind of domestic violence happens while in the teams employing of him that he will be suspended (along with pay) until proven guilty & if proven guilty at that time his entire contract is null & void & is immediately fired with no compensation . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 hours ago, T master said: That would be cool but with one stipulation written into his contract that if any kind of domestic violence happens while in the teams employing of him that he will be suspended (along with pay) until proven guilty & if proven guilty at that time his entire contract is null & void & is immediately fired with no compensation . Not sure what kind of language you'd specifically be able to put into a contract, but I'm sure there could be some kind of conduct clause to cover something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 1:05 PM, PlayoffsPlease said: I am not a big fan of employers acting as law enforcement , even the NFL. These events happened outside the NFL, and to me are a matter for law enforcement to deal with as it sees fit. Thats fair, but if I get a DWI, My employer will fire me. Thats their policy and they can do whatever they want I voted no because I dont think it will happen. He will sign and will probably play pretty well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 This guy is an iceberg and the garbage he's being charged with is just the stuff that has happened in public and on tape that everyone can see. Willing to bet he's a POS in plenty of other situations and whoever signs him will find out soon enough. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Thats fair, but if I get a DWI, My employer will fire me. Thats their policy and they can do whatever they want That's fine. Should you be precluded from future employment? I could see that if you were a driver, but not an investment banker. The same way a DV counselor would be precluded from future employment in that field should they be involved in such an incident. That's not what we're talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Plano said: After seeing how good the Chiefs backups played, I'm not so sure that Kareem Hunt is a world-beater with elite skills like everyone thought. He could be a product of a good offensive scheme. Then again, I could be wrong. We're not signing him, either way. People used to same similar things about Thurman Thomas and Kenneth Davis. Thurman was elite just like Hunt is elite and Williams is a quality NFL back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 10:29 PM, Ol Dirty B said: The Bills, not you or me, are not developing men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 18 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Thats fair, but if I get a DWI, My employer will fire me. What if the police pulled you over for suspicion of drunk driving, then let you go without charging you? Would your employ still fire you? Because that’s what happened to Hunt. 22 hours ago, Plano said: After seeing how good the Chiefs backups played, I'm not so sure that Kareem Hunt is a world-beater with elite skills like everyone thought. He could be a product of a good offensive scheme. Then again, I could be wrong. We're not signing him, either way. Really? I’m a big believer that most RB can be easily replaced without much drop off, as the Rams proved with Todd Gurley, among countless other examples, but I thought the Chiefs looked like a much different team without Hunt. Probably the best back in the league this year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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