IgotBILLStopay Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/Article/Antonio-Brown-trade-value-127165123/ Quote The Buffalo Bills at No. 9 already have an elite defense. If they think Brown gets their offense up to at least average, they would likely consider such a trade. They are loaded with potential pieces that the Steelers might like in a deal in addition to that pick. Their secondary is among the best in the NFL. If Tre'Davious White or Levi Wallace were on the table, the Steelers would be very interested given their need at cornerback. Jordan Poyer is an intriguing safety option as well, as would a reunion of the Edmunds brothers with Tremaine heading to Pittsburgh to join Terrell. It is unclear if any of these good young defenders would be on the table, but the Steelers might listen if they were. #9 & a young player appears to be asking price I will say No Mas!! to Tre, Tremaine or Levi. But Poyer is intriguing - clearly Bills wont trade for AB with Poyer on the roster (Rachel Bush saga), but maybe AB for Poyer + pick can be done. Of course, I love the Poyer Hyde safety duo and would be reluctant to break it up. Also, Poyer is on an amazingly team friendly contract through 2021. But an interesting thought none the less. Edited January 3, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Furthest thing from a "process" guy. I don't see it happening. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 For Wallace I would, McDermott has shown in both Carolina and Buffalo an ability to develop cornerbacks, and we run a very easy scheme for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I'd say yes to Levi out of those choices. We invested nothing in him, and I'd say he still has the most question marks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I think that the Rachel Bush - Antonio Brown piece takes him out of the equation in Buffalo. Even if Poyer is a part of the deal I don’t see it happening. That secondary is EXTREMELY close. I’d be shocked if the Bills brought Brown into that locker room. He could potentially tear down what they’ve worked so hard to build. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Brown doesn't seem like the 'team first" kind of player that this administration is looking for. I just don't see this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 For a comparison.................. the Niners traded a 31 year old Terrell Owens to the Eagles. What was that return for the Niners? And both could be locker room killers. Very similar situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 He has no value because the Steelers should force his hand after he acted like a total jerk. If they trade him they have to suffer the dead cap. If they don't trade him, and he keeps up the bs they can put him on the failed to report list. This is the OBJ crap from last year. It's good for the football news guys but it seems far from reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, njbuff said: For a comparison.................. the Niners traded a 31 year old Terrell Owens to the Eagles. What was that return for the Niners? And both could be locker room killers. Very similar situations. To's case was way more complicated. TO was to become a free agent, but his agent forgot to file papers - SFO traded him to Baltimore for a second round pick after TO had negotiated a FA contract with the Eagles - finally a compromise was reached in arbitration - so not a fair comparison in terms of circumstances. In contrast, AB is under contract for three more years and has a 21 mill dead cap. That said, clearly the situation in Pittsburgh is untenable and I do fully expect him to be traded this offseason for a first rounder + change. Pittsburgh will get higher compensation than SFO got for TO for the above reasons. Just now, thenorthremembers said: He has no value because the Steelers should force his hand after he acted like a total jerk. If they trade him they have to suffer the dead cap. If they don't trade him, and he keeps up the bs they can put him on the failed to report list. This is the OBJ crap from last year. It's good for the football news guys but it seems far from reality Oh he will report all right if he is not traded. He did report for the last game but Tomlin sent him home. He will not be like Bell - he wants his paycheck since he is signed long term to a fair deal. The only issue is can the Steelers keep him around knowing he wants out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think that the Rachel Bush - Antonio Brown piece takes him out of the equation in Buffalo. Even if Poyer is a part of the deal I don’t see it happening. That secondary is EXTREMELY close. I’d be shocked if the Bills brought Brown into that locker room. He could potentially tear down what they’ve worked so hard to build. I agree 100%. IMO, Beane and McDermott believe they have built a foundation for what they are trying to do, and have the opportunity this offseason to take a big step forward. I don't think either one has a problem bringing in a player that has issues; however, I do not see them bringing in anyone with issues that have any potential to undermine what they have worked so hard to create. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Let Gruden or Shanahan trade for him for all that money. I can't even think of a future HOF RB or WR that's won on a Superbowl team this decade. It's all about the QB, head coach, drafting well, and signing value free agents to give you a well balanced team. He's an amazing talent but a diva who I doubt he even wants to come here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 No thanks. I'll keep the pick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) AB is a great player at a position of dire need and he’s shown no sign of slowing down. It worked out pretty well for Dallas this year, and AB is a better player than Cooper. OTH, Brown has some baggage, Pittsburgh’s bargaining position is somewhat compromised, and 9 overall is a very valuable pick. Tough decision...i might do it, esp if they don’t have any WR rated that high. Edited January 3, 2019 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If you did it, it would have to be Poyer because of their issues. I don't think I'd want to trade the #9 overall pick and Poyer for him though plus AB has such an outsized personality I"m also not sure that they'd want to risk him being a potential cancer. From the sounds of things Tomlin wasn't able to control him, but I have a feeling that he would be able to fit into the Bills locker room. He'll be 31 this next season and he is elite, it certainly is tempting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 As much as we need a WR I can't see our FO giving up that pick and a player when we have some glaring holes that could be fixed with the 9th overall. I personally would like to get the OL from Bama with 9 and try and see what we can get in the middle rounds for a WR. AB is good and I would be more inclined to pull the trigger on this trade if he didn't bring the "Me first" attitude with him, but I guess that's why we are talking about this in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think that the Rachel Bush - Antonio Brown piece takes him out of the equation in Buffalo. Even if Poyer is a part of the deal I don’t see it happening. That secondary is EXTREMELY close. I’d be shocked if the Bills brought Brown into that locker room. He could potentially tear down what they’ve worked so hard to build. I know poyer and bush broke up for a bit but where does ab fit in, didn’t really follow it. Did ab and bush hook up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, Magox said: If you did it, it would have to be Poyer because of their issues. I don't think I'd want to trade the #9 overall pick and Poyer for him though plus AB has such an outsized personality I"m also not sure that they'd want to risk him being a potential cancer. From the sounds of things Tomlin wasn't able to control him, but I have a feeling that he would be able to fit into the Bills locker room. He'll be 31 this next season and he is elite, it certainly is tempting. I did not know AB was already 30. I’m not sure I give up that pick for him, unless this draft is just devoid of WR talent, which probably isn’t the case. Maybe 9 overall for AB, and get back a 4th from Pitt. The Steelers already have AB’s replacement on the roster... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 McDermott has responded to bringing in Brown: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, mannc said: I did not know AB was already 30. I’m not sure I give up that pick for him, unless this draft is just devoid of WR talent, which probably isn’t the case. Maybe 9 overall for AB, and get back a 4th from Pitt. The Steelers already have AB’s replacement on the roster... Who is going to replace AB? Check out JUJU’s numbers when AB is hurt/suspended. He benefits from the coverage being rolled towards 84. Don’t get me wrong, I love me some JUJU but he ain’t close to AB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Pass ... go get AJ Green 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Who is going to replace AB? Check out JUJU’s numbers when AB is hurt/suspended. He benefits from the coverage being rolled towards 84. Don’t get me wrong, I love me some JUJU but he ain’t close to AB. I agree, but Pitt is very deep at WR and they probably think JuJu can be the guy in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Not a chance I trade for Brown. Especially including 9th overall. Assuming the Poyer drama is true, bringing in Brown means you mess with a good young secondary. In addition, you get the privilege of paying Brown instead of paying a rookie drafted 9th overall. I would prefer a (slight) reach for whoever the bills have graded as the top WR. Edited January 3, 2019 by Bills2ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, Pbomb said: I know poyer and bush broke up for a bit but where does ab fit in, didn’t really follow it. Did ab and bush hook up? That’s the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 No thanks. Antonio Brown is part of one of the NFL's most successful franchises, and plays with a future Hall of Fame quarterback. He's also a 30-year-old veteran, who should be able to control himself. Yet for some reason, he decided to skip out on his teammates during a week they were fighting for the playoffs. Now he can't get along with his QB and is requesting a trade. If Brown can't work on the Pittsburgh Steelers with Ben Roethlisberger... then how do you think he will behave on the Buffalo Bills with a young/growing Josh Allen? He's a locker room cancer, and will pout unless we make a point not to force-feed him the ball. That's not how you build a team, and that's not how you develop a QB. We don't need that kind of nonsense. We don't need that kind of distraction. Not to mention, this would require (according to the OP) trading away TWO valuable young players, and taking on a $17 million per year contract. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Great WR, crap person. I don't want him. He has no accountability. No professionalism. Unbelievably selfish. He's an expensive headache. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: I'd say yes to Levi out of those choices. We invested nothing in him, and I'd say he still has the most question marks. But Wallace has also shown quite a bit, even by one expert metric outplaying a pro bowl rookie, and is the prototype of a McD player. I'd be wary to part with him, even for an insane talent like AB, who despite his questionable focus, I'd love to get paired with Allen. I suspect McD & Beane would be even more wary. They might rather bank on Foster and Jones's development than rob from the part of the team that is working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Ideally if I'm running an organization, I want a player in a single digit draft position to be a foundational two contract player. This team is more than a WR1 away from being a consistent playoff team with an outside chance of winning it all. The goal of the franchise should be not to pick this high again. Find a foundational in the trenches player you can build around and have here for 6-10 years. AB will not be the AB you know within this organization, production wise. How long would he be here? You'll get a talented malcontent that could hinder the development of younger players around him. This team is not setup to bring a guy like him into the fold, locker room wise. Shoot, he can't even get along with HOF talent in the Pittsburg locker room. What would he do here? Supremely talented? Yes. But, I'm not sure we'd get the production from the high dollar amount, draft capital and possibly a player invested. Edited January 3, 2019 by YodaMan79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Not even remotely interested. And we are in dire need of WR help. That should tell you how much I don't want A. Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) I'm still amazed that people who follow the NFL for a living assume an "elite defense" carries over to the next year. What the Seahawks did from 2012-2015 was the exception to the norm. Edited January 3, 2019 by Straight Hucklebuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, The Jerk said: McDermott has responded to bringing in Brown: Dude yes. That's my favorite cartoon, ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Didn't McD say he didn't want any cry baby prima donna's on his team ? I don't see Bean making a play for guys like either of those possibly leaving the Steelers but I could see Gruen or the Redskins making a run at both of them ! Edited January 3, 2019 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: Ideally if I'm running an organization, I want a player in a single digit draft position to be a foundational two contract player. This team is more than a WR1 away from being a consistent playoff team with an outside chance of winning it all. The goal of the franchise should be not to pick this high again. Find a foundational in the trenches player you can build around and have here for 6-10 years. AB will not be the AB you know within this organization, production wise. How long would he be here? You'll get a talented malcontent that could hinder the development of younger players around him. This team is not setup to bring a guy like him into the fold, locker room wise. Shoot, he can't even get along with HOF talent in the Pittsburg locker room. What would he do here? Supremely talented? Yes. But, I'm not sure we'd get the production from the high dollar amount, draft capital and possibly a player invested. Spot on- AB would be a huge problem- couple that with a large cap hit and declining skills it just doesn’t make sense. We have had 2 solid drafts now- lets add the right pieces (we all know what they are) through FA, then have another Solid draft. Give JA the tools he needs to take this team to the next level. Daboll deserves it as well- he had a dumpster fire to work with and did a really nice job- we even saw elements of the Pats O in there as well. Adding some depth on D wont hurt either. I would say stick with BPA and hope for 70 percent O and 30 percent D. Edited January 3, 2019 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pbomb said: I know poyer and bush broke up for a bit but where does ab fit in, didn’t really follow it. Did ab and bush hook up? Bush and Brown supposedly slept together prior to Poyer cheating on her. 2 hours ago, WideRightRevenge said: Pass ... go get AJ Green This is where I’m at. I think (and have thought) that Brown may be the best player in football. He just can’t be here with his issues with Poyer (and in turn, Hyde, White and the rest of that crew). Green would be cheaper and fit well in the locker room. He too is a great player. To me, this has way less to do with “is AB selfish” and WAY more to do with the fact that he almost ended the marriage of one of our most popular players. His antics aren’t what will keep him out of Buffalo. It’s the Poyer situation. You can’t have that drama in the locker room. Edited January 3, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Trust me... Beane and McD want nothing to do with a guy that shows up to preseason in a helicopter.... Now if he chartered a helicopter for the whole WR crew to show up in a helicopter you might have a team guy McD wants.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 47 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I'm still amazed that people who follow the NFL for a living assume an "elite defense" carries over to the next year. What the Seahawks did from 2012-2015 was the exception to the norm. I don't think you're wrong, but the Ravens have had some pretty good runs. However, the Bills have a defensive minded coach and exciting players at key positions. Also, there's reason to believe that the Bills D could be even better with an offense with fewer 3 & outs. Then again, I, too, have watched enough football to know it doesn't always play out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_Guy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 he'd instantly make the WR group better. but he'd instantly make the locker room worse. we can probably find someone serviceable without the drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Haven't we had 1 player disrespect the team by quitting at halftime? What's the obsession of wanting another? As good a player as Brown is, i have ZERO respect for players who leave 51 of their teammates at a disadvantage just because they had an issue with 1 of em. Brown is dead to me and don't want him anywhere near this organization. The way I see it is, if you want Brown so bad, go draft him. Draft an elite receiver (something the Bills organization can't seem to do at all) and groom him and keep him in the family. Every other team seems to find an above average to elite receiver at least once in 5 years yet the Bills can't seem to draft well when it comes to receivers. Zay Jones is ok. He's not a #1. Watkins was the closest thing to us drafting a premier receiver in the last decade and his career doesn't seem to be going so well because of injuries (and I'll never get the image of him celebrating too early and getting tackled by the Jets defender before reaching the endzone out of my head). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 You don't trade FOR this kind of guy, you trade him OFF your team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Can they even trade him without cutting several people on their roster? I thought his cap number means they can't trade him? Plus he's the only vet I don't wont. Edited January 3, 2019 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I’d love the TALENT, but I don’t want the GUY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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