Ed Oliver won't be a Buffalo Bill

[4merper4mer]

Reading between the lines is easy.  In the coaches presser he said something like "I tried to explain to Ed that it was a rule...", also it was stated that jackets had to be removed from several other players.  That all means that while it may indeed be a rule, it had not been explained to the point where the players knew it.  That is on the staff.  

 

Oliver reacted in a way that seemed a bit paranoid.  He is in his early 20s.  If this is the worst thing he has done....big whoop.

[Ol Dirty B]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Who comes it with such a ridiculously stupid rule? It's moronic and reflective of an archaic Woody Hayes era maniacal control. Whether the players are inactive or active there should be enough coats for the players. Even if there were not enough coats for everyone not everyone was wearing one so no active player was being deprived of a jacket. 

 

Where I have a different take from you is that whether the player is a marquee player or a scrub the coach has no business pulling the jacket off of the player in order to humiliate the player. The coach could have handled it differently like having an assistant approach the player or wait until half-time to discuss the issue. 

 

The issue here is common sense and good/reasonable judgment. The fool here is the coach who acted like a jackass to publicly assert his authority to embarrass a player. More often than not the issue goes beyond a nonsensical rule to the real issue of how a trivial problem becomes a bigger problem because of the way it was handled. 

 

 

Who would expect someone named major applewhite to be a good coach?

 

Is there anything else you'd expect from someone named major applewhite? This is as major applewhite as you can get lol.

 

Ed Oliver is playing on sundays. Applewhite isn't. He's a jealous bum. I feel bad for Oliver. 

[turftoe]

1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

This team better not draft defensive players before round 5.

If Ed Oliver is there when the Bills pick at #32 then I say take him. ?

[4merper4mer]

15 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You're the reason why Brandon Beane drafts Josh Allen and says some stupid ***** like this guy is Buffalo after being here for all of 6 months 

 

 

Unfair.  You can't blame him for Allen.  He wanted Connor Cook.

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Who would expect someone named major applewhite to be a good coach?

 

Is there anything else you'd expect from someone named major applewhite? This is as major applewhite as you can get lol.

 

Ed Oliver is playing on sundays. Applewhite isn't. He's a jealous bum. I feel bad for Oliver. 

I don't care if Oliver is going to be the first pick in the draft or an end of the bench scrub. What's the point of this pointless rule? If a player is injured he is still part of the team. There should be enough coats for the players. This is a stupid rule that is used to make an injured player not feel part of the team and to induce the player to get beyond his injury and be active. 

 

In this case even if the rule is going to be enforced it still should have been handled with more discretion. How about waiting until the players were in the locker room at halftime and then address this issue in private. A coach who wanted to flex his muscle in public was challenged by a player who felt he was being unnecessarily slighted. His response was understandable, at least to me.   

[TigerJ]

Obviously, fans have come down on both sides of the jacket issue.  I find myself wondering about the history that we don't know.  Whether good or bad, there is one.  That would have far more bearing on the question of whether or not Ed Oliver could be a character risk as a high draft pick.  I'm not talking about off field issues, but his locker room presence and his coachability.

[Ol Dirty B]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I don't care if Oliver is going to be the first pick in the draft or an end of the bench scrub. What's the point of this pointless rule? If a player is injured he is still part of the team. There should be enough coats for the players. This is a stupid rule that is used to make an injured player not feel part of the team and to induce the player to get beyond his injury and be active. 

 

In this case even if the rule is going to be enforced it still should have been handled with more discretion. How about waiting until the players were in the locker room at halftime and then address this issue in private. A coach who wanted to flex his muscle in public was challenged by a player who felt he was being unnecessarily slighted. His response was understandable, at least to me.   

 

I don't disagree with anything you say here. Major applewhite has a job because of free labor. They all should have coats and wearing a team coat should cause no issues.

 

I could go on about major applewhite but I won't. Something about kissing cousins. 

[White Linen]

22 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Who comes it with such a ridiculously stupid rule? It's moronic and reflective of an archaic Woody Hayes era maniacal control. Whether the players are inactive or active there should be enough coats for the players. Even if there were not enough coats for everyone not everyone was wearing one so no active player was being deprived of a jacket. 

 

Where I have a different take from you is that whether the player is a marquee player or a scrub the coach has no business pulling the jacket off of the player in order to humiliate the player. The coach could have handled it differently like having an assistant approach the player or wait until half-time to discuss the issue. 

 

The issue here is common sense and good/reasonable judgment. The fool here is the coach who acted like a jackass to publicly assert his authority to embarrass a player. More often than not the issue goes beyond a nonsensical rule to the real issue of how a trivial problem becomes a bigger problem because of the way it was handled. 

 

 

Then why have rules at all?  Everybody just do what ever you want.  Everyone challenges everything now.  

 

Those jackets are not just normal jackets - they are the ones made to go over players wearing equipment - how hard is it to understand?  

 

My wifes a teacher and the kids have changed.  It's because there's parents like you that say - is it really that big a deal that he was a few minutes late?

[RaoulDuke79]

1 hour ago, buffalobillswin said:

Typical college coaches exerting their power over the powerless. Disgusting

 

Hope Oliver sits out the entire season.

You mean enforcing the rules. Sure just let everyone do what they want, or even better let certain people do what they want because they're "special", while making everyone else toe the line. 

[Maynard]

It’s a team rule and he should follow it whether it’s petty or not. Bad look for Oliver all and all. 

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If there's a rule those jackets are for the guys playing in the game and working up a sweat on the field, I would imagine the players know that.

It might be that the coaches think he can play and he's trying to stay healthy, and the coaches are frustrated about that and taking it out how they can

It seems as though the coaches were petty (and why can't they just buy more of those jackets?), but the players tantrum was not a good look.

 

He kind of looks pudgy

 

 

Yup (at least that's what I've read). 

 

I don't understand the desire to let Oliver off the hook so quickly if he was not respecting the jacket thing, or say he's a star so he doesn't have to follow the rule, as some have implied.   Yes it sounds like the coach overreacted, but anyone with kids knows that sometimes you overreact when you're frustrated with the antics of immature kids.

 

And if Oliver is milking his injury it makes it that much easier to understand the coach's reaction.

[Kirby Jackson]

If the rule had a purpose then we could all agree. Having a rule for the sake of having a rule is ridiculous. Why not have a rule “everyone stand on your left foot the whole time?” Applewhite can walk over and discipline guys that are standing on both feet because “it’s a rule.” 

 

They are a major Division 1 football program. If they can afford to pay Major Applewhite $1.5M to coach this year they can afford enough coats for the players. 

Edited November 17, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[KennyDavisEyes]

My concern is that the coach says the team uses jackets to “keep cool.”

[Not at the table Karlos]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Throws a tantrum at his coach when he has to follow the rules like his teammates.

 

 

Spoiled princesses don't fit the Process

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't we sign a DT a day or two after he flipped out on his coach? 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Didn't we sign a DT a day or two after he flipped out on his coach? 

 

There we have the clincher.

 

/thread 

[LSHMEAB]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Throws a tantrum at his coach when he has to follow the rules like his teammates.

 

 

Spoiled princesses don't fit the Process

 

 

 

 

 

Why do you care enough about this to start a thread? It's weird.

[Ray Finkel]

Sorry Bro but you are not bigger than the team.

[YoloinOhio]

Not sure if mentioned here but i copied and pasted from the other Oliver thread what I posted yesterday. It’s not really about the coat:

 

i heard it being talked about today and apparently Oliver was sitting out due to injury but was running around on the field in warmups trying to make OBJ catches and twisting around on the “bad” knee, and applewhite didn’t like that. I guess the optics of it, and that he was healthy enough to do that then he could have played. Then applewhite physically tried to remove the coat, and that’s when Oliver really lost it. So bottom line is I think it was about more than the coat and this was just the culmination. I don’t think he will drop in the draft, regardless. 

Edited November 17, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[starrymessenger]

21 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said:

My concern is that the coach says the team uses jackets to “keep cool.”

 

Yeah. Suggests to me that coach is a little unsettled by the incident, which does not surprise me. Verbal missteps are frequently indicative of an unexpressed psychological reality (or so Dr. Freud has said). 

Making a public display of stripping the jacket, especially in that venue, was predictably going to be interpreted by the player as a public humiliation. Some players are wired to cower and endure, some players not so much, and it's more a question of personality and not necessarily correlated in any way with ability. One of he tough parts of coaching is management of different and frequently strong personalities. Anybody who can't do that is not going to be successful. The "process" tent has to make lots of room for different personality types. This is not to say that buying in and intangibles are unimportant. They are of course very important. 

I hope Ed Oliver goes undrafted like Burfict so we can sign him up as an undrafted free agent. 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not sure if mentioned here but i copied and pasted from the other Oliver thread what I posted yesterday. It’s not really about the coat:

 

i heard it being talked about today and apparently Oliver was sitting out due to injury but was running around on the field in warmups trying to make OBJ catches and twisting around on the “bad” knee, and applewhite didn’t like that. I guess the optics of it, and that he was healthy enough to do that then he could have played. Then applewhite physically tried to remove the coat, and that’s when Oliver really lost it. So bottom line is I think it was about more than the coat and this was just the culmination. I don’t think he will drop in the draft, regardless. 

He should just withdraw now and it looks better for everyone. That’s what top 10 picks do (especially on average teams). 

[PittsforDave]

Doesn’t look like big deal. He was disrespected.  

[Peter]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Major pettiness by the head coach.

 

 

 

If Major Applewhite applied the rule to all non-playing players (as has been reported), I have no problem with what he did.  The coats are designed for someone with shoulder pads (i.e. players playing in the game) and there are limited number of them.  If Applewhite did not apply the rule evenly, then I probably would agree with you.

 

 

P.S. I think you may have missed my play on words.

 

P.P.S. It did not help Oliver's cause to sit out for a game while "injured" but showing off before the game in a manner that would indicate that he is merely taking the day off.

 

 

Edited November 17, 2018 by Peter

[BillsVet]

If Oliver is on the board when Buffalo picks and is the pick there are bigger issues whether or not the player had issues with a coach.

 

This team can ill-afford to use another top pick on defense.  

[EasternOHBillsFan]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Throws a tantrum at his coach when he has to follow the rules like his teammates.

 

Spoiled princesses don't fit the Process

 

We're not going to draft defense with the pick anyways, so this discussion is MOOT...

 

They had better draft offense in Round 1 or some of us are going to be extremely angry... there is no justification for drafting defensive with that high of a pick. If they do, McDermott at least needs to go. We can't afford another former DC turned head coach shafting our offense for another 3 years... THE PRESENT AND FUTURE IN THE NFL IS OFFENSE, NOT DEFENSE.

Edited November 17, 2018 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Captain Hindsight]

4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

If we draft Ed Oliver I’ll eat my snow jacket. 

 

There is noooo frickin’ way McProcess wants that kind of attitude on our team. 

Jordan Philips was cut for getting into a fight with coaches in Miami. Bills claimed him right away

 

McDermont wants people who love football. To me, that is far more important. He can handle some attitudes

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I disagree only because this is a simple rule, as small as it may be.  But that is the culture of U of H which all players have to live with.  I don't know if Oliver has had behavioral problems in the past, but it's not a good look for him now.  Oliver seems like a brat, and if I were a pro scout I'd look deeper into this as well as his past if I'm contemplating spending a 1st round pick on him.

Ok GM Levy how did your teams do.

[Doc Brown]

I would've done this if I was Oliver.

 

[wppete]

If we are picking somewhere between 7-15 and he is still on the board I can se McBean picking him . He is a great player and he will fit this Defense perfectly taking Kyle Williams spot. 

[HappyDays]

I wouldn't take a DT in the top 5 no matter how dominant they project to be. Elite DTs aren't an important piece. The Rams have the best DT in football and he is the last reason they are winning games. DT is also last on our list of needs IMO, or at least second last above safety. Oliver would be a luxury pick and we can't afford that.

 

I've come around to the idea that Greedy Williams would be a good pick because that would give us an absolutely shut down secondary. But I find it much more appealing to trade down and draft the best receiver available. Or if we stay put I guess Jonah Williams. I'm not a huge fan of o-line in the top 5 either but I'd like that better than Oliver.

Edited November 17, 2018 by HappyDays

[CLTbills]

3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You're the reason why Brandon Beane drafts Josh Allen and says some stupid ***** like this guy is Buffalo after being here for all of 6 months 

 

He has been roundly criticized as an idiot. But you know mainstream media and this and that, you're definitely smarter than everyone.

 

He was wearing a coat. The coach is a joke. You can't wear a ***** team jacket on the sidelines? ***** that dude.

 

You're really going to go down the financial route when these schools rely on free labor?

No, I'm going down the common sense route. If I only need 90, why would I bring 100?

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He's done plenty for the school both on and off the field: Ed Oliver Jersey : NCAA Houston Cougars College Football Jerseys Sale Official Store!

 

 

So what.  Get out there and play or move on to the performance camp and wait for the draft.

 

Probably won't be the last time in his life he will be selling jerseys........

[Bob in STL]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If the rule had a purpose then we could all agree. Having a rule for the sake of having a rule is ridiculous. Why not have a rule “everyone stand on your left foot the whole time?” Applewhite can walk over and discipline guys that are standing on both feet because “it’s a rule.” 

 

They are a major Division 1 football program. If they can afford to pay Major Applewhite $1.5M to coach this year they can afford enough coats for the players. 

The coats in questions were designed to fit over shoulder pads.  They are given to players that are dressed in equipment and playing. The other players,  including Oliver, all had team sweat shirt/hoodies, etc.   

 

Oliver is a star and apparently above certain rules?  I don’t know him but that is how he is perceived here. 

 

Even if th e rule is dumb, even if he did not know the rule, his reaction was very poor.  I would hope that most here would agree that sometimes in life we have to suck it up, even for something stupid.  

[Mr. WEO]

Next they'll come for his training bra...

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Didn't we sign a DT a day or two after he flipped out on his coach? 

Yes, but we did not use a first round draft choice on him.  And Gase is a turd.

45 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I wouldn't take a DT in the top 5 no matter how dominant they project to be. Elite DTs aren't an important piece. The Rams have the best DT in football and he is the last reason they are winning games. DT is also last on our list of needs IMO, or at least second last above safety. Oliver would be a luxury pick and we can't afford that.

 

I've come around to the idea that Greedy Williams would be a good pick because that would give us an absolutely shut down secondary. But I find it much more appealing to trade down and draft the best receiver available. Or if we stay put I guess Jonah Williams. I'm not a huge fan of o-line in the top 5 either but I'd like that better than Oliver.

Five of our last six games are going to be against teams that are tanking, quitting and/or generally circling the drain.  I will be surprised if we don’t finish at least 7-9, which would probably put us out outside of the top 10 picks.  At that level, there will probably be O-linemen or receivers who represent good value.  And trading back is always an option.  

 

I could see a trade back in the first, along with a number of modest trade ups on day two or three.  I would be surprised if we draft more than 8 players.

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

The coats in questions were designed to fit over shoulder pads.  They are given to players that are dressed in equipment and playing. The other players,  including Oliver, all had team sweat shirt/hoodies, etc.   

 

Oliver is a star and apparently above certain rules?  I don’t know him but that is how he is perceived here. 

 

Even if th e rule is dumb, even if he did not know the rule, his reaction was very poor.  I would hope that most here would agree that sometimes in life we have to suck it up, even for something stupid.  

I don’t think we are in agreement. I hold the adult making $1.5M to a higher standard than the 20 year-old. The rule is stupid and without any reason. There are PLENTY of coats to go around. I’m sure Oliver even has one.

 

Applewhite is butthurt that Oliver isn’t playing and protecting his draft status. That’s what anyone with sense would do. Applewhite should be the adult in the situation. There is no reason for a rule to try to “show who is in charge.” This incident won’t impact Oliver’s future. It certainly puts a negative spotlight on Applewhite though. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just pay the players to play.

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Jordan Philips was cut for getting into a fight with coaches in Miami. Bills claimed him right away

 

McDermont wants people who love football. To me, that is far more important. He can handle some attitudes

I think a guy who can’t play because of a knee injury but jumps up to catch passes pre-game isn’t a guy that “loves football”...get your ass out there and jump all you want. There’s a nice warm jacket for you in between each defensive series. 

[outsidethebox]

5 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

Check out what Louis Riddick, said about this incident.  As a past and future GM,  I take his word over anything put forth here.

 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25292575

Who  cares what he says. It's the coaches team,  he makes the rules. The way Oliver reacted I can't condon that behavior in any way. He should be suspended. 

Edited November 17, 2018 by westside

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You're the reason why Brandon Beane drafts Josh Allen and says some stupid ***** like this guy is Buffalo after being here for all of 6 months 

 

He has been roundly criticized as an idiot. But you know mainstream media and this and that, you're definitely smarter than everyone.

 

He was wearing a coat. The coach is a joke. You can't wear a ***** team jacket on the sidelines? ***** that dude.

 

You're really going to go down the financial route when these schools rely on free labor?

 

I knew you would be here to dispense your great wisdom , just can't help yourself from saying stupidity. 

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

28 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I think a guy who can’t play because of a knee injury but jumps up to catch passes pre-game isn’t a guy that “loves football”...get your ass out there and jump all you want. There’s a nice warm jacket for you in between each defensive series. 

Yeah. In the NFL.

 

He ain't getting paid in college.

 

Milk it for all it's worth.  You know the school is.

 

Honor is dead.

Edited November 17, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois