Fear of Roughing penalty led to Hughes not finishing sack

[Jerome007]

Players need to adjust... at least this year. Next time he - and the others - should basically hold him still till other players arrive as then the refs will blow the whistle. Dumb rule? Yeah but since it's there, adjust. Lesson learned but they should have actually practiced that. It's not in the Process?

[Mr. WEO]

Total BS, Jerry.  

 

He hugged the guy and then immediately turned around and started to walk away.  You wait for the whistle, champ.  Looked like a fool on that play.  

 

If he was stopped by the mere THOUGHT of a penalty, well, he's the first guy so far in the NFL that has been affected in this way.  

 

Not buying it.

[Gigs]

1 hour ago, DBilz2500 said:

The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?"

Lmao bro, that’s conservatism. They don’t want to lose their 50mil+ investment. Liberal lmao. If the league were liberal they’d let them play with no padding and probably roll back the ty law rule. 

 

Oh wait, you’re a moron who equates politics to everything in life without realizing the actual non political definition of what liberalism and conservatism actually is. 

[Kelly the Dog]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Total BS, Jerry.  

 

He hugged the guy and then immediately turned around and started to walk away.  You wait for the whistle, champ.  Looked like a fool on that play.  

 

If he was stopped by the mere THOUGHT of a penalty, well, he's the first guy so far in the NFL that has been affected in this way.  

 

Not buying it.

 

4 minutes ago, Gigs said:

Lmao bro, that’s conservatism. They don’t want to lose their 50mil+ investment. Liberal lmao. If the league were liberal they’d let them play with no padding and probably roll back the ty law rule. 

 

Oh wait, you’re a moron who equates politics to everything in life without realizing the actual non political definition of what liberalism and conservatism actually is. 

Except for five years straight Jerry Hughes has played to the whistle more than any other player on either side of the ball. It's not even close. He's the hardest worker we have, even more than Kyle. 

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, MPT said:

 

What participation trophies have the NFL handed out? 

 

Just curious. 

Tyrod Taylor 9th Pro Bowl alternate?

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I get his thought process. But, he didn’t have to let go. Just hold on there and the play is over. Never has a play been penalized for holding a player up. 

[Mr. WEO]

15 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

 

Except for five years straight Jerry Hughes has played to the whistle more than any other player on either side of the ball. It's not even close. He's the hardest worker we have, even more than Kyle. 

 

Diesnt change the the fact that he looked foolish on that play.  He got deked.  He wasn’t looking around cringing for a whistle.

[MPT]

21 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Tyrod Taylor 9th Pro Bowl alternate?

 

I suppose, if you think being an alternate QB to the Pro Bowl is a "trophy."

 

I think the Lombardi trophy is a trophy. 

[BuffaloBill]

The protection of QB’s situation is making a mess of the game.

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, leonbus23 said:

I blame the Kennedys.

But after all, it was you and me 

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?"

 

Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.

That's why I only drink pure rain water!

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?"

 

It has nothing to do with politics. It's a CYA move for the inevitable lawsuits. The NFL wants to be able to say they don't condone head injuries. 

 

Also, someone thinking that billionaire NFL owners are liberals is frickin hilarious.

Edited October 8, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[Captain_Quint]

3 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?"

The next step is a 'me too' campaign for bad QBs. 

 

'I was sacked by Jerry Hughes, and I'm not staying quiet anymore!'

[Moulds_80]

But whats worse, not finishing the sack? Or gently laying the QB on the ground like bennet did in the eagles game and still getting a penalty?

[WhoTom]

3 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?"

 

In the world of slippery slope arguments, that one represents an 89-degree decline on an oily Teflon surface.

 

 

[Griff28]

Heading towards flag football...

[The Wiz]

4 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?"

Well we would make the playoffs more so I'm in.

[WhoTom]

27 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Also, someone thinking that billionaire NFL owner's are liberals is frickin hilarious.

 

They are, Man. I saw Jerry Jones at a Greenpeace meeting last month.

 

 

[Doc]

It's a learning point for Jerry.  Thankfully the Bills still won the game.

[ChuckMan08]

4 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Looked to me like Hughes thought Mariotta got the pass off.  Still, he was being extra cautious with the contact.  Needs to wrap up there regardless.

You have a point there. I mean he’d never admit to it but it could be true. He had him in a bear hug. All he had to do was continue holding him in a bear hug until the ref blew the whistle. He literally just let him go. 

[batmanfreek]

As others have said, it’s because the NFL doesn’t want to have to pay years down the road for lawsuits because a player got hit 15 years ago and now can’t remember where he left his car keys.  

 

Also the NFL wants more “exciting” plays and high scores.  So if they can enable QBs to be almost untouchable they will put up more points.  

 

Bottom line.  Money.  

[Doc]

I would like to know/hear what Jerry was thinking on that play.

Just now, batmanfreek said:

As others have said, it’s because the NFL doesn’t want to have to pay years down the road for lawsuits because a player got hit 15 years ago and now can’t remember where he left his car keys.  

 

Also the NFL wants more “exciting” plays and high scores.  So if they can enable QBs to be almost untouchable they will put up more points.  

 

Bottom line.  Money.  

That explains protecting QB's.  It doesn't explain Jerry's actions on the play in question.

[batmanfreek]

37 minutes ago, Doc said:

I would like to know/hear what Jerry was thinking on that play.

That explains protecting QB's.  It doesn't explain Jerry's actions on the play in question.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/07/jerry-hughes-was-worried-about-roughing-marcus-mariota-so-he-let-him-go/

 

“I made an inside move and I’m underneath the quarterback at that point in time. When I go to wrap you up I’m naturally low so I’m naturally underneath you,”

 

“If I pick him up and finish him, it’s a 15-yard penalty and they might score [a touchdown] on that drive. It’s a tough situation to be in, and I’m very thankful that our secondary played lights out all day and got us off the field.”

 

 

“I spoke to the white hat and he just told me just to wrap up and drive him backwards and they’ll blow the whistle and mark his forward progress,” Hughes said. “Now I know for the future. I found myself in a very vulnerable position and what do you do? Do you finish the tackle or just hold onto him? Now I know.”

[Xwnyer]

12 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I used to fricken hate the "in the grasp" rule. But if they are going to call so many roughing the passers they need to start to call that again so players like Hughes arent scared of finishing plays. It weakens the game.

Agree one hundred percent.   Defenders don’t know what to do know and on Mariota scramble one of our defenders dove toward his hips and missed again because of fear of a hit up high.  If Hughes finishes the play he is flagged for sure.

[CSBill]

I still put this on Hughes, he had him wrapped up and let him go before he heard the whistle--all he had to do was hold on to him, keep pushing him backward, it did not look that complicated to me. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Next time Hughes, just hug him and maybe a pat on the head.  No wait...you can't touch the head.  Just hug him and say everything will be okay.   Hopefully you won't get the flag.

[RoyBatty is alive]

14 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I used to fricken hate the "in the grasp" rule. But if they are going to call so many roughing the passers they need to start to call that again so players like Hughes arent scared of finishing plays. It weakens the game.

 

True but we also happen to have maybe the toughest QB in the league (Big Ben up there as well) to get out of being in the grasp of a defender.

[JMF2006]

Just get him in a bear hug and hang on.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 hours ago, klos63 said:

You are correct, it was a bad play by Hughes. Hold him til the whistle blows. My first reaction was that Hughes though Mariotta had passed or fumbled.

Disagree. He's not just "holding him" as Mariotta is scrambling to keep the play alive, a competitor himself. To boot, they are not the only two guys on the field, and there is organized chaos all around them.  On top of that, Hughes can only be 50% sure that there is a 75% chance that continuation of the play would or would not result in a penalty and/or fine (the odds move to 100%/100% certainty of penalty & fine if Brady is in the grasp), not to mention the rule has morphed from where it started to where it is now, allowing a bit more judgement on the part of the official. 

 

Absent the official blowing the whistle, Hughes should have finished the play and tackled Mariotta.  Imo that was squarely on the official given the logical end to that scenario was the QB suplexed or at a minimum, full weight of Hughes on the ab with QBs arms above Hughes shoulder and injury a realistic outcome. 

 

Everyone watching the game feels the Qb rule impacts the outcome of games.  We were lucky to have dodged that particular bullet. 

 

 

[Soda Popinski]

Terrible.    Just turrible.   Even Charles Barkley disapproves.   

 

Hughes did the right thing I'm 1000% sure the ref was ready to flag him if he took Mariota to the ground. 

[The Frankish Reich]

15 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I used to fricken hate the "in the grasp" rule. But if they are going to call so many roughing the passers they need to start to call that again so players like Hughes arent scared of finishing plays. It weakens the game.

I do prefer the "in the grasp and control."  You just get a quick whistle, a sack, and you move on. Yes, it hurts a QB like Allen who has the size and athleticism to escape, and it takes a lot of excitement out of those improvised post-escape plays. But it provided more clarity as to what the rule is compared to the current situation.

[Rebel101]

He should have held him in place until a whistle was blown 

11 hours ago, ChuckMan08 said:

You have a point there. I mean he’d never admit to it but it could be true. He had him in a bear hug. All he had to do was continue holding him in a bear hug until the ref blew the whistle. He literally just let him go. 

Agreed it looked like he heard a whistle or something because he looked back 

[Spiderweb]

18 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?"

Cut the garbage politicizing comments. Keep it to football or head over to the forum for this.

18 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Remember when Hughes was good for a 15 yard PF once a game under Rex? Good to him for putting the team first but it is a damn shame what the league is turning into.

I would agree that the codling given to QBs these days is hurting the game long time fans have loved. Contrary to some, it's all about protecting the product and future CTE lawsuits. Protecting the NFL is the driver although it appears the league will soon go too far if they haven't already.

Edited October 8, 2018 by Spiderweb
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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

18 hours ago, DBilz2500 said:

The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?"

 

...wonder if teams will have HOME and AWAY flags??..............

[John from Riverside]

18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Much credit to Hughes...who has been so penalty prone in the past to show restraint for the good of the team

[LabattBlue]

I call BS on that explanation.  Hughes has always had his share of bonehead plays throughout his career.  Add this one to the list.  If this was true, all he had to do was bear hug him until he heard a whistle.

Edited October 8, 2018 by LabattBlue

[ctk232]

20 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Looked to me like Hughes thought Mariotta got the pass off.  Still, he was being extra cautious with the contact.  Needs to wrap up there regardless.

I thought this, too. I'm sure the roughing the passer context came into it a bit, but you see Hughes' head turn around and let him go as though he'd thrown the pass. I'm sure at that point he felt it better to let him go than to get the post-throw RTP flag. But still think he needed to wrap up there and just hold him if nothing else - can't throw a flag for that.

 

That being said, I think we still all agree that no individual player should be subject to differential treatment over another. It's borderline preferential in some cases, when it comes to being tackled. Every player should have every rule affect them equally, and there's no reason a QB cannot be landed on while every other offensive player can be as well.

Edited October 8, 2018 by ctk232

[nucci]

9 minutes ago, ctk232 said:

I thought this, too. I'm sure the roughing the passer context came into it a bit, but you see Hughes' head turn around and let him go as though he'd thrown the pass. I'm sure at that point he felt it better to let him go than to get the post-throw RTP flag. But still think he needed to wrap up there and just hold him if nothing else - can't throw a flag for that.

 

That being said, I think we still all agree that no individual player should be subject to differential treatment over another. It's borderline preferential in some cases, when it comes to being tackled. Every player should have every rule affect them equally, and there's no reason a QB cannot be landed on while every other offensive player can be as well.

Because to the NFL owners a 3rd string TE is not as important as Aaron Rodgers

[ctk232]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

Because to the NFL owners a 3rd string TE is not as important as Aaron Rodgers

It's a sad truth, and understand why the rule is there - regardless of logic and actual game product.