BobbyC81 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 8 hours ago, That's No Moon said: That's a play out of the Bruce Smith playbook. He had an annual campaign for awhile. Yep, he’d get a new deal making him the highest paid defensive player and then as soon as someone got more he whined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Because that's like how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Lots of examples of teams being very successful with mediocre tackles. And there are numerous examples of teams who have the better known tackles who don’t do diddly. Success in the NFL is not about OTs. But From the way folks post on this thread, one would think that getting a pro bowl LT guarantees playoffs and Super Bowl for years to come. Yeah, didn’t Joe Thomas play his whole career in Cleveland with no playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 hours ago, dayman said: B/c he got hurt once, right? Good move Bills. 9 hours ago, dayman said: B/c he got hurt once, right? Good move Bills. Are you serious, who cares! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 8 hours ago, PIZ said: .... because the Bills thought Eric Wood and Shawn Nelson would be better. If it wasn't for migraines, I'm adamant that Nelson would've been fantastic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 hours ago, aceman_16 said: You must be new here. Anyhow, because he wanted out. If I recall correctly, his agent pulled him out of B Lo for big $$ . Even if Bills matched , would not have mattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) For a couple of years after the trade, it looked like it was the Bills who had the better end of the trade. Eric Wood was solid and Jason Peters was struggling with injuries etc. So I would not blame the then Bills brass too much on this. Blame them for all the stupid QB decisions during the draft, yes. But Eric Wood worked out well enough for us. Definitely no complaints about this trade from me. Edited September 7, 2018 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 51 minutes ago, prissythecat said: One question no one has asked yet on this thread is it really worth it spending big money on an offensive tackle? Lamenting the loss of Peters seems silly. We should have kept Peters so we could better protect Losman and Edwards? Lots of examples of teams being very successful with mediocre tackles. And there are numerous examples of teams who have the better known tackles who don’t do diddly. Success in the NFL is not about OTs. But From the way folks post on this thread, one would think that getting a pro bowl LT guarantees playoffs and Super Bowl for years to come. I’d rather have a franchise QB playing behind serviceable tackles than a merry go round of bad QBs behind pro bowl tackles. He would look good protecting Allen plus mentoring the oline right now and freeing draft resources especially at one of the key positions on the field. Really, it takes a team of talented players. The job of the front office is to collect and keep talent, the job of the coach is to get wins by maximizing that talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 8 hours ago, That's No Moon said: That's a play out of the Bruce Smith playbook. He had an annual campaign for awhile. He sure did, virtually every season between 89 and 94. Can you imagine what he'd be worth in today's NFL?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 If they had found a way to trade up for Alex Mack that draft, I would have been fine with the trade. Elite for elite. When we got Wood, I was extremely dissapointed. Elite for serviceable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: If they had found a way to trade up for Alex Mack that draft, I would have been fine with the trade. Elite for elite. When we got Wood, I was extremely dissapointed. Elite for serviceable. Yea Wood had a decent career. Peters as all but WEO agree is headed to Canton at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I'm not throwing darts at the Bills for this one. Unlike the hindsight savants here. In Peters mind he was a great. But it was far from known to management that Peters would become a sustained great. When the Eagles made an offer that couldn't be refused, the Bills took it. Opinion, I think Peters had a woody to leave Buffalo, no offer was going to be good enough. And I do remember what others posted: his season ending injuries that happened when the playoff run was over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 10 hours ago, aceman_16 said: You must be new here. Anyhow, because he wanted out. it's a trendy thing when Bills produce 1 hour ago, Seasons1992 said: He sure did, virtually every season between 89 and 94. Can you imagine what he'd be worth in today's NFL?? it's not the same game, the only individuals of true stardom today are QBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 10 hours ago, dayman said: B/c he got hurt once, right? Good move Bills. Uh no. Peters wanted to tear up a contract he signed and he held out. Ralph was cheap and Peters was an ass. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: This. I think it was the beginning of “ Ralph is cheap”. Anyway, the guy was a UDFA and they had him cheap for awhile. When it came time to pay him as a LT they traded him. He’d still be on the Oline today. Guy was a player. I agree and disagree with you. He was definitely a player, but I HIGHLY doubt he would still be here even if we had paid him the money he was looking for then. With all the staff changes over the years he would have been dealt to someone else for draft picks or not signed a renewal to go to a better performing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 If I’m not mistaken, didn’t he lead the NFL in sacks given up by a left tackle his final year in buffalo? Did he even play all 16 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 43 minutes ago, row_33 said: it's not the same game, the only individuals of true stardom today are QBs. Tell that to Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald. 1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: If I’m not mistaken, didn’t he lead the NFL in sacks given up by a left tackle his final year in buffalo? Did he even play all 16 games? I seem to remember that as well. Iirc he was similar to mario his last year here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Tell that to Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald. I seem to remember that as well. Iirc he was similar to mario his last year here. I just looked it up, 11.5 sacks allowed in 13 games. Yikes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Virgil said: He was all about the money and we just gave him a new deal. When healthy, he’s great, but he can be very hit or miss. Also, for all of our offensive line woes, LT hasn’t really been one of them. I still agree with trading him. Gotta strongly disagree my pal. Jason Peters was the best player on the team. As for the bolded, let's take a look at that OL sans Cordy Glenn. I don't know of any other team that trades away young, skilled left tackles. Do you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Uh what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I remember that he didn't want to be here. So we traded him. We're the ones who signed him as an UDFA and developed him into being a star. Then he left. What if we still had Robert Woods, Nigel Bradham, Marquise Goodwin, and Reggie Raglund? What did we get for those guys? a 4th round pick. total. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Gotta strongly disagree my pal. Jason Peters was the best player on the team. As for the bolded, let's take a look at that OL sans Cordy Glenn. I don't know of any other team that trades away young, skilled left tackles. Do you? Not exactly young, but Duane Brown is talented. Houston traded him for a third in 2018 and second in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 We gave up a future HOF player at the second most critical position on offense. We got a good player in return, but yeah, we lost that deal. Shouldn't have moved Darby either. Great CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Because he staged a hold out and wouldn't practice In 2008 Peters allowed 11½ sacks—tied for worst in the NFL among starting left tackles. Edited September 7, 2018 by THE SLAMMER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Steve O said: Not exactly young, but Duane Brown is talented. Houston traded him for a third in 2018 and second in 2019. Nice catch but its only happened a handful of times. It is too hard to get these guys. Very few people are 6'4" and up. weigh approx. 325 and are quick and agile. As a rule of thumb they don't get traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Gotta strongly disagree my pal. Jason Peters was the best player on the team. As for the bolded, let's take a look at that OL sans Cordy Glenn. I don't know of any other team that trades away young, skilled left tackles. Do you? When all is said and done we gave up an arguable HOF OT for a solid and indistinguishable center in Wood. To compound the foolishness in the deal Marv brought in two mediocre linemen in Langsgton Walker and a heavy weight guard who couldn't move to bolster the line. After a season or two they were moved out because of cost and ineffectiveness. How anyone can say not reworking the deal and signing Peters was the right thing to do is befuddling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Are we so bored we're talking about an old curmudgeon that didn't want to be here? Do people understand there is a game on Sunday? Edited September 7, 2018 by HamSandwhich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Threads like this are Exhibit A in why TSW is getting less and less traffic and losing established members... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 12 hours ago, aceman_16 said: You must be new here. Anyhow, because he wanted out. Ah, the "players are greedy and selfish and want out of Buffalo" Bills apologists heard from early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Bills decided that paying Derrick Dockery $7MM and Langston Walker $5MM and Cash to the Cap was more important than paying Peters $10MM a year. wow. I feel they are related to Bodine and Newhouse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Nice catch but its only happened a handful of times. It is too hard to get these guys. Very few people are 6'4" and up. weigh approx. 325 and are quick and agile. As a rule of thumb they don't get traded. Except by the Bills. The Peters trade was easily the second worst trade in Bills history, only topped by the trading of QB Darryl Lamonica for a couple of scrubs from Oakland back in the 1960s. They also traded Cordy Glenn to move up to get Allen. If Dawkins doesn't continue to develop off his good rookie season or Allen doesn't become a top tier franchise QB, then they will have screwed the pooch again -- and any QB's success is pretty tightly linked to OL success, particularly LT. Ask Eli Manning about that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 32 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Are we so bored we're talking about an old curmudgeon that didn't want to be here? Do people understand there is a game on Sunday? It's a football board as much as a Bills board. Don't be that guy who complains about fans talking about other teams and their players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Because he didn't want to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, FeelingOnYouboty said: Because he didn't want to be here. Yes he did. He came right out and said he did. He wanted to be paid 10m. It was a red line he drew, right or wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 11 hours ago, WhoTom said: New owners. New GM. New coaches. New era. Let's move on. Looking back on this.. some of the worse moves in the drought era is really irritating me. move on. We broke the curse last year. We have Pegula and McBeane. The team is still in Buffalo. Let’s leave the ghosts of Ralph and Russ where they belong. In the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Meh every NFL team has players that they traded or lost in free agency who went on to play well for other teams not just Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Guy is a Hall of Famer, dumb decision by this org. Darby looked really good last night too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Is it really necessary to rehash this again? The owner is dead, the GM and money guy are both long gone - just not seeing the relevance. Hey, remind me again why Ralph fired Chuck Knox? Who cares at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Without having read any post from this thread..... Because he was a crybaby who wanted more money, despite the Bills already giving him a new contract, and he didn't want to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Ah, the "players are greedy and selfish and want out of Buffalo" Bills apologists heard from early on. Lol nice try but lazy (PS look up ad hominem) . Your Bills history is a bit cloudy. The team wanted to keep Peters and were willing to renegotiate his contract, which had two years left on it, but after he held out and then threatened to hold out again the next season it was clear that keeping Peters in Buffalo was going to be monumentally difficult. Thus the trade. Jason has been quoted MANY times with he wanted out of Buffalo. Finally, don't let facts get in the way of your "good" story. Edited September 7, 2018 by aceman_16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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