Victory Formation Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, H2o said: Honestly, I wouldn't mind having Bell at 15-16 mill a year for 3 years. The league is changing, salaries are rising, and Bell is a perennial All-Pro RB. He can run for 1,300 yards or more, catch 60-70 passes for another 700-800 yards, and he can block. He is a true 3 down RB and top 3 in the league. I agree, RB is an important position, we have a ton of cap, why not? We saw what Shady did here, got us all the way to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JerseyBills Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said: I think Shady would take offense to that move. That would be an amazing combo though but Bell is demanding too much money. I'd draft a RB in first 3 rounds and have Shady groom him for at least a year.. We're going to have a boatload of cash and I think will put the finishing touches on the roster makeover.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) No way. Use the cap space to fix the o line, wide receivers, and D line. (Especially o line and WRs) Edited July 16, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: No way. Use the cap space to fix the o line, wide receivers, and D line. (Especially o line and WRs) Honestly, I believe we have enough $$$ next year to add two good OL players, a pass rusher or LB if need be, a WR, and still get Bell. In the draft you could make your priorities WR, DL, and OL in whatever order as well. We have a ton of cap in 2019, but the question will be if Beane and McDermott can sell FA's on Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 wow he's turning down some big money. he better hope he gets through healthy. but wonder what the guarantee was? 30 mil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, H2o said: Honestly, I believe we have enough $$$ next year to add two good OL players, a pass rusher or LB if need be, a WR, and still get Bell. In the draft you could make your priorities WR, DL, and OL in whatever order as well. We have a ton of cap in 2019, but the question will be if Beane and McDermott can sell FA's on Buffalo. I agree with all of what you said, but would you really want to commit a lot of money to a RB with a lot of miles on him? Plus on top of it, he seems like a headcase. I personally don’t think it would be a good investment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Nope signing expensive RBs will be detrimental to building a good football team. Invest free agent money in other positions and draft a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 58 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: I thought it was rich for Sammy, but his deal didn't really change the going rate. Elite receivers are getting $13-$18 million p/year. Yeah, but what did it do to the market for elite decoys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Make a run at him? Sure. Actually sign him, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I agree with all of what you said, but would you really want to commit a lot of money to a RB with a lot of miles on him? Plus on top of it, he seems like a headcase. I personally don’t think it would be a good investment If we can get the All-Pro level production for 3 years I think it would be worth it. No one can predict injuries, but a healthy Bell would be a worthy investment to help a young QB while he grows. They said Shady had too many miles as well. Some RB's are the exception to the rule. I think Bell is likely one of them. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Commonsense said: Beane didn’t fix Whaley’s mess so he could go make his own. Look at all the running backs putting up big numbers, there is zero reason to overpay Bell. Draft a guy. Please show me a RB that does what Bell does. Please remember he catches 70+ balls a year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) Quote "@RapSheet FollowingFollowing @RapSheet More From what I understand, the #Steelers’ final offer to RB Le’Veon Bell was 5 years, $70M with more than $30M over 2 years. Last year, the offer was 5 years, $60M. ... Instead, he’ll earn $14.5M on another franchise tag." No thanks Edited July 16, 2018 by PirateHookerMD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: Please show me a RB that does what Bell does. Please remember he catches 70+ balls a year too Please show me a team that won a Super Bowl with a running back making over 14 million per year. I’m not about stacking the stat column, I’m all about that trophy. Find a Kareem Hunt/Dalvin Cook/Kamara who can catch 50 balls and run for close to 5 YPC. The Bills should have used a pick on Nick Chubb. Zero value in paying a RB 15 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 hours ago, H2o said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24114399/leveon-bell-pittsburgh-steelers-fail-reach-long-term-deal-ahead-franchise-tag-deadline This is likely his last year in Pittsburgh. We will have a boatload of money next offseason. What say you TSW? Sone already think Shady is too old and expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Please show me a team that won a Super Bowl with a running back making over 14 million per year. I’m not about stacking the stat column, I’m all about that trophy. Find a Kareem Hunt/Dalvin Cook/Kamara who can catch 50 balls and run for close to 5 YPC. The Bills should have used a pick on Nick Chubb. Zero value in paying a RB 15 million. What about a WR making over 14 million per year? 28 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Sone already think Shady is too old and expensive. Opinions are like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, Doc said: What about a WR making over 14 million per year? I don’t know. I’d have to look it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, H2o said: If we can get the All-Pro level production for 3 years I think it would be worth it. No one can predict injuries, but a healthy Bell would be a worthy investment to help a young QB while he grows. They said Shady had too many miles as well. Some RB's are the exception to the rule. I think Bell is likely one of them. Just my opinion. Fair enough. I’m just worried he’s one of those guys who will get a huge paycheque and mail it in a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 4 hours ago, H2o said: Shady might be elsewhere by then where he has a whole different set of offenses to worry about. Maybe it court suing for slander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, H2o said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24114399/leveon-bell-pittsburgh-steelers-fail-reach-long-term-deal-ahead-franchise-tag-deadline This is likely his last year in Pittsburgh. We will have a boatload of money next offseason. What say you TSW? No no no and no. He is on a crusade to fight for higher RB wages that he thinks NFL unjustly stifles. The Steelers tried to make him the highest pd RB in NFL history and he would not accept. Why would he accept a Bills offer? Bills could never afford a 15 mill per yr approaching 30 yr old RB. And his dancing and hesitating MO behind o-line blockers at line of scrimmage waiting for an opening would put him 6 ft under with Bills line skills. Edited July 17, 2018 by cba fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, JerseyBills said: That would be an amazing combo though but Bell is demanding too much money. I'd draft a RB in first 3 rounds and have Shady groom him for at least a year.. We're going to have a boatload of cash and I think will put the finishing touches on the roster makeover.. I agree the draft is the answer. RB's traded do not have a good recent history as a difference maker. Let McDermott and Beane groom our next drafted RB. I wouldn't let Shady groom my dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, JP's Voice said: No doubt that he would be productive and a good add on a team that's competing for a championship. Gotta go back to the Adrian Peterson argument. He's the best RB we've seen in 15 years and yet he's never won anything. No matter how good a RB is, he won't win you a championship unless the rest of the team is already good. Seeing that we have some holes on offense, we should plug those holes and wait for a few years before we get a RB to put us over the top. While that sounds like a good idea something tells me this regime won’t see it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, JP's Voice said: Investing a large amount of our cap in an aging RB would be one of those moves that we'd be unhappy about for years. We should invest in the O-Line and WR next year, not RB IMO. he'll be 27 when the season starts next year. he's not 33. 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....not to mention his whiny gig is getting OLD as well.......no way he's McD process guy................. he's not completely wrong. he puts up the #'s of a top RB and a #2 receiver. he wants too much $$, but he's also worth more than what typical RB's get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, H2o said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24114399/leveon-bell-pittsburgh-steelers-fail-reach-long-term-deal-ahead-franchise-tag-deadline This is likely his last year in Pittsburgh. We will have a boatload of money next offseason. What say you TSW? Nope. Drama queen and too expensive for the position he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloTX Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) The Steelers just set the market for Bell. No team will pay him what he now wants next year...because they know they won't have to. Also, what team will he go to next year where he will put up the all around numbers he has in the past? Edited July 17, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, H2o said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24114399/leveon-bell-pittsburgh-steelers-fail-reach-long-term-deal-ahead-franchise-tag-deadline This is likely his last year in Pittsburgh. We will have a boatload of money next offseason. What say you TSW? No. "It became clear the Steelers wanted to pay the position,not the player." - Bell's agent http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24114399/leveon-bell-pittsburgh-steelers-fail-reach-long-term-deal-ahead-franchise-tag-deadline And that's what smart teams do for RBs. Great player but he will be too expensive. 4 hours ago, Doc said: What about a WR making over 14 million per year? What about a WR making over 14 million per year and averagign 8.2 and 7.7 yards per reception over the last two years and 8.5 for his career. Bell is a very valuable RB. But he's an RB. Edited July 17, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) If I'm spending money in FA I'm picking up a DE, OG, or a WR with speed and I'd only give the DE a contract anywhere near 14M+. I use that boatloads of cap space to re-sign the guys on the team who are actually producing like White, Hyde and Power and so I don't have to act like a feeder team for teams with responsible cap management. The key to long-term success is drafting well and retaining your own players, not playing fantasy football like the Redskins. Once you have the cap under control you can throw some cash at vets on a 1-2 year contract, drop them and bring in the next guy that's still producing after the first vet's production declines. If we are lucky and we actually hit on Allen we'll be handing him a 20M contract in 4 years anyway. Edited July 17, 2018 by ndirish1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I wouldn't pay him that much but the criticisms here are funny...injuries....? He's only good because he's surrounded by great players.......? Come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 44 minutes ago, nucci said: I wouldn't pay him that much but the criticisms here are funny...injuries....? He's only good because he's surrounded by great players.......? Come on ....reminds me of Shaun Alexander with Seahawks......from 2001-2005, accumulated about 7,500 yards rushing....signed the "big deal" in 2006 and downhill thereafter..... Alexander signed an eight-year, $62 million contract ($15.1 million of which was guaranteed and $15 million to be paid in the first year of the contract) to remain with the Seattle Seahawks organization] becoming the highest paid running back in NFL history at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Piss away a ton of money on a high priced RB with some mileage on the odometer? Why would we do that? This is a passing league. You’ll love Bell then. He caught 26 more balls than the guy with the most catches on our team (McCoy). It being a passing league IS a reason to chase Bell not a reason against it. Bell will not be cheap but is a good option if Shady is done (which may or may not be the case). This team is COMPLETELY devoid of weapons outside of Shady. We have arguably the worst skill players in the NFL. Adding arguably the best skill player in the NFL (I still think it’s Antonio Brown) wouldn’t hurt the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Absolutely no chance at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Sure. The Bills have 90MM in cap space next year or something like that next year, before the cap goes up. Adding playmakers is always a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Sure. The Bills have 90MM in cap space next year or something like that next year, before the cap goes up. Adding playmakers is always a good idea. Especially when you have a QB on a rookie deal. They can give Bell 4 years and $60M with the majority of the guaranteed money in the first 3 years. That wouldn’t even put a dent in their space. They can still add a starting WR and a starting OL without doing much damage. They can bring in Golden Tate and Martavis Bryant (let KB walk) while getting a solid OL starter (maybe Ali Marpet). They wouldn’t even dent their cap space and have 9 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: You’ll love Bell then. He caught 26 more balls than the guy with the most catches on our team (McCoy). It being a passing league IS a reason to chase Bell not a reason against it. Bell will not be cheap but is a good option if Shady is done (which may or may not be the case). This team is COMPLETELY devoid of weapons outside of Shady. We have arguably the worst skill players in the NFL. Adding arguably the best skill player in the NFL (I still think it’s Antonio Brown) wouldn’t hurt the Bills. Yeah but look at their QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Peter King (on Golic/Wingo) stated, this morning, that over the last 10 years, the 7 RBs who led the league in rushing had an average draft spot of 79th overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Gugny said: Peter King (on Golic/Wingo) stated, this morning, that over the last 10 years, the 7 RBs who led the league in rushing had an average draft spot of 79th overall. Bell was the 48th pick. How is your statement german to this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Gugny said: Peter King (on Golic/Wingo) stated, this morning, that over the last 10 years, the 7 RBs who led the league in rushing had an average draft spot of 79th overall. I saw that and thought it was interesting....and about right. Obviously, what we should do is trade for the 79th pick! I’d seriously be fine with taking a shot at RB around round 3 where they seem to have good ones available. You probably don’t get a Bell, but you can get a good one, even if we still have Shady or even Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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