Lions fans mad at Dan Campbell. Bills fans mad at Sean McDermott. Would you trade McD for Campbell

[Mikie2times]

I mean, Campbell called the game the same way as he did all season. The analytics said go and that's what he did. I agree it wasn't a move I would make, but this idea of this being his 13 seconds is a bit silly. He was completely aware of what he was doing, would do it again, and especially in the case of the first one, would have converted pretty easily.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

It was.

 

That being said, there is something more forgiving (in my opinion) about blowing a game by being aggressive… than by blowing a game by a mind-numbing poor kickoff decision.

Running on the goal line late in that one and promptly wasting a timeout because of it was the most mindboggingly idiotic football decision I have ever seen in my life and it’s not even particularly close 

 

I literally cannot contain myself commenting on posts like this to talk about that play and I really have no investment in the lions 😂. That’s how bad it was 

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I mean, Campbell called the game the same way as he did all season. The analytics said go and that's what he did. I agree it wasn't a move I would make, but this idea of this being his 13 seconds is a bit silly. He was completely aware of what he was doing, would do it again, and especially in the case of the first one, would have converted pretty easily.  

Why is no one talking about the run call on the goal line after the two minute warning hahaha I feel like I’m taking crazy pills..  I was absolutely stunned by that..  if he would do that again he should be fired immediately

Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Running on the goal line late in that one and promptly wasting a timeout because of it was the most mindboggingly idiotic football decision I have ever seen in my life and it’s not even particularly close 

 

Agreed.

 

But I assume that was Ben’s decision rather than Dan.

[Warcodered]

Why in the world are Lions fans mad at Cambell he's taken that team that was literally bottom of the NFL all the way to a conference championship in the few years he's been there.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Agreed.

 

But I assume that was Ben’s decision rather than Dan.

You have to overrule your oc there there’s just absolutely no way that can be allowed to happen…can’t believe that’s not what everyone is focusing on haha that’s like a fundamental misunderstanding of how football works by your hc/oc 

 

even if Goff checked into a run that’s just a huge mistake that the coaches can’t allow to happen 

 

a lot of these horrible plays throughout history we’ve seen you can at least see where the coach was coming from(ex our fake punt was a 11 on 10 situation) but this particular call  had just no redeeming qualities lol 

 

Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mikie2times]

9 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Running on the goal line late in that one and promptly wasting a timeout because of it was the most mindboggingly idiotic football decision I have ever seen in my life and it’s not even particularly close 

 

I literally cannot contain myself commenting on posts like this to talk about that play and I really have no investment in the lions 😂. That’s how bad it was 

Why is no one talking about the run call on the goal line after the two minute warning hahaha I feel like I’m taking crazy pills..  I was absolutely stunned by that..  if he would do that again he should be fired immediately

That was no doubt a really bad call. 

 

I figure most the communication is about him going for it and well, that's just who he is. Nothing is changing it. It's also what the analytics say is the right move. So I guess I cut him more slack over those calls even if they wouldn't have been mine. 

Edited January 29 by Mikie2times

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Why in the world are Lions fans mad at Cambell he's taken that team that was literally bottom of the NFL all the way to a conference championship in the few years he's been there.

To be fair it only gets harder though…people talk about it like it’s a linear thing like ‘look how good they were early in the Campbell era it’s only gonna get better from here’ but it really doesn’t work that way.

 

draft picks get worse, schedules get harder, you start having coaches poached, opponents adjust to what you have been running.  You just can’t blow an opportunity like this one 

Just now, Mikie2times said:

That was no doubt a really bad call. 

 

I figure most the communication is about him going for it and well, that's just who he is. Nothing is changing it. It's also what the analytics say is the right move. So I guess I cut him more slack over those calls even if they wouldn't have been mine. 

I can get behind the later fourth down attempt but not taking the fg that would’ve put them up 3 scores was wild imo. If it wasn’t for that late run from the goal line I wouldn’t be as hard as him though but that was just outrageous.  

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

To be fair it only gets harder though…people talk about it like it’s a linear thing like ‘look how good they were early in the Campbell era it’s only gonna get better from here’ but it really doesn’t work that way.

 

draft picks get worse, schedules get harder, you start having coaches poached, opponents adjust to what you have been running.  You just can’t blow an opportunity like this one 

Which makes four straight years of winning the division with double digit wins even that more impressive.  There's a reason only us and the Chiefs have accomplished that feat.  Great QB play and coaching.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Why are my comments getting deleted ? This forum is turning to **** 

[MJS]

McDermott has done way more than Campbell. That would be a dumb trade.

[HurlyBurly51]

Do analytics differentiate between a week 5 game against the Panthers and one in which a berth in the Super Bowl is on the line? 

[Aussie Joe]

10 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Do analytics differentiate between a week 5 game against the Panthers and one in which a berth in the Super Bowl is on the line? 

No 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

16 minutes ago, MJS said:

McDermott has done way more than Campbell. That would be a dumb trade.

People are gonna argue this but there’s really not enough info yet either way…the first surprisingly good season is the easy one but people talk it up like going from bad team to playoff contender is the hard part 

 

Packers could give them some issues too 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

People are gonna argue this but there’s really not enough info yet either way…the first surprisingly good season is the easy one but people talk it up like going from bad team to playoff contender is the hard part 

 

Packers could give them some issues too 

Packers could be giving it to the Lions  hard next year… I’ll stick with Tua 

 

Edited January 29 by Aussie Joe

[Governor]

Many times this season I’ve seen coaches go for it, manage to get it, then get stuffed on the next series and settle for a FG anyway or turn it over.

 

It would be different if that 4th and 4 decision guaranteed you a TD but it doesn’t.

 

You’re on the road, with a lead, you kick the FG every time.

 

Andy Reid kicks that FG in that spot.

Edited January 29 by Governor

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Packers could be giving it to the Lions  hard next year… I’ll stick with Tua 

 

Bein in the conference without mahomes is probably nice too lol I’d prefer the niners with Brock purdy being the conferences team to beat 

 

I shouldn’t even just say mahomes cuz that chiefs defense deserves a ton of credit 

Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[machine gun kelly]

6 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

I like Campbell.  Seems like a good guy and a good leader.  Those 4th down decisions, though, were bad.  Still, he turned around the franchise and led the team to their best season in 50+ years.  

 

Campbell only won something like 4 of his first 23 games and somehow didn't get fired.  Sometimes owners - and fans - need to be patient.  

Agreed.  I like Campbell as well and he turned that franchise around as McD did here from our 17 years of losing.  Johnson overall is a heck of an OC, and no one is perfect.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Coaches are the easiest to blame. 
 

I just don’t understand the logic of wanting to replace a coach that loses in the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs? Heck, some fans want coaches fired after losing Super Bowls.

 

“You can’t beat the best 2-3 coaches in the league so we’re going to replace you with a completely unknown and unproven head coach because we think he can”. Basically this is the logic.

Edited January 29 by Buffalo_Stampede

[TheWeatherMan]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

No but I'd trade McD for Ben Johnson in a heartbeat. 

Ben Johnson will be the Bills HC in 2025-2026

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Running on the goal line late in that one and promptly wasting a timeout because of it was the most mindboggingly idiotic football decision I have ever seen in my life and it’s not even particularly close 

Yeah.  That was certainly 13 seconds bad.  If you're calling a run play there have your FG unit ready or just go for it again without calling a timeout.  Game is basically over once they called that timeout as the odds of recovering an onside kick are minuscule. 

[CSBill]

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

Campbell and McDermott have pretty different public personas.  There teams play with different styles.  Would you trade McDermott for Campbell.  Do you think the majority of Lions fans would trade Campbell for McDermott? 

 

This year's Lions are the 2020 Bills (Josh and McD's first AFC Championship game). But I'm not sure the Lions have the quarterback to be yearly Super Bowl contenders--the Bills do and are.

[CSBill]

5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

To be fair it only gets harder though…people talk about it like it’s a linear thing like ‘look how good they were early in the Campbell era it’s only gonna get better from here’ but it really doesn’t work that way.

 

draft picks get worse, schedules get harder, you start having coaches poached, opponents adjust to what you have been running.  You just can’t blow an opportunity like this one 

 

I can get behind the later fourth down attempt but not taking the fg that would’ve put them up 3 scores was wild imo. If it wasn’t for that late run from the goal line I wouldn’t be as hard as him though but that was just outrageous.  

 

And there is this . . .

[peterpan]

7 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Campbell single handedly lost that game. He went for 2 4th downs in 49ers territory where he could have made the score 27-10 and then again when he could have made tied the game at 27. They didn't get either 4th down and once the 49ers went up by 10, the game was done

In his defense, didn’t he do that all year??  Maybe that’s why they got this far in the first place?  
 

We can’t really judge bc we all are bills fans and haven’t watched every lions game.

 

for example, non-bills fans would not have known bass had stunk for 10 straight games and there was a ZERO percent chance he makes that 4th and 9 kick v the Chiefs. 
 

non-bills fans may not have known that there was also a ZERO percent chance our D would stop KC if we made that FG.

 

only bills fans would know this.  So only bills fans would know that going for it on 4th and 9 was the correct call.  Every other fan base would call that decision dumb and consider missing an easy FG just “bad luck”.  But we know the truth.

 

maybe lions fans know something similar 

[Niagara Dude]

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

Campbell and McDermott have pretty different public personas.  There teams play with different styles.  Would you trade McDermott for Campbell.  Do you think the majority of Lions fans would trade Campbell for McDermott? 

Campbell already much better HC,  that team is young and will only get better.  Bills will never win in the playoffs with McDermott as the HC

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Ben Johnson will be the Bills HC in 2025-2026

By many accounts Ben Johnson will be Washington's head coach starting in 2024. 

[NeverOutNick]

10 times out of 10 I take Campbell over McD. He is the pulse of his team and his team comes out every game like warriors ready for battle. He always takes ownership for his decision making. Hes an offensive head coach and mentored Ben Johnson (his TE coach) so I don’t believe his offense will lose their identity when Ben leaves. He gives his QB every weapon available to succeed. He fits the Buffalo never give up, loyal to a fault attitude. Josh would love him! And he can and will get this team winning a Super Bowl 

 

side note- lions have the absolute WORST corner back situation in the league. Sutton and Vildor and all of their backups are trash. They could’ve had 2 easy interceptions to put a cap on this game and they can’t cover worth a cheap zip lock bag. Lions had some unfortunate breaks and they should be in the Super Bowl but I don’t fault Campbell for not kicking a 48 yd kicking with his lame duck place kicker. This offseason corner and kicker are top priorities because they really don’t need much of anything (besides replacing stone hands Reynolds who also could’ve sealed the game for them) on offense…must be nice 

Edited January 29 by NeverOutNick

[zow2]

Not kicking the FG to make it 27-10 was a bad move. It was an easy kick in that spot.  Campbell should have pivoted there from what he usually does. We don’t know how the game would have changed if he had kicked it.

 

The later one was a 48 yarderer, not automatic, and Goff was still throwing really well so i was ok going for it on that series.

 

[Gregg]

I know Campell is aggressive in how he coaches but he ****ed up when he went for it on 4th down instead of kicking the FG's both times. At 24-10 kick it and make it 27-10 then you have a 3-score lead again midway through the 3rd quarter. The momentum started to change right there. Once the Niners got that big play down to the 4-yard line when the ball bounced of the CB's facemask, I knew the Lions would lose at that point.

[london_bills]

@Chaos 'This Is an interesting thread. I see where your comin from on that one..it isn't just one guy'..

[Buffalo03]

59 minutes ago, peterpan said:

In his defense, didn’t he do that all year??  Maybe that’s why they got this far in the first place?  
 

We can’t really judge bc we all are bills fans and haven’t watched every lions game.

 

for example, non-bills fans would not have known bass had stunk for 10 straight games and there was a ZERO percent chance he makes that 4th and 9 kick v the Chiefs. 
 

non-bills fans may not have known that there was also a ZERO percent chance our D would stop KC if we made that FG.

 

only bills fans would know this.  So only bills fans would know that going for it on 4th and 9 was the correct call.  Every other fan base would call that decision dumb and consider missing an easy FG just “bad luck”.  But we know the truth.

 

maybe lions fans know something similar 

Yeah, he did do it all year. But he had the opportunity at 24-10 to take a 27-10 lead and chose not to. He had another opportunity at 27-24 to tie it so that if the 49ers score, he can tie the game with one TD as opposed to now being down by 10. I'm sure the scenarios he did it all season were different. That was not the time to do that

[Spiderweb]

9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

No but I'd trade McD for Ben Johnson in a heartbeat. 

Lions had an awfully familiar poor 2nd half offense. This would be something we all have seen enough of. Ben slipped a few pegs with this.

[TwistofFate]

9 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Not saying McD is perfect. In fact I've been pretty pissed about a handful of his decisions, but I remember the turnstile of coaches we went through during the drought. That sucked too.  

 

[T master]

This just shows exactly how much fans truly know about football & how hard it is just to get to the big game . Both coaches got their respective teams into the play offs and you can't get to the SB if you don't first get to the play offs .

 

In Bills territory the team would be stuck constantly in a drought unless of course there was some luck involved & they did get it right like Gruden did but that doesn't happen nearly as much as it goes the opposite way .

[NeverOutNick]

30 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

 

Josh Allen…

 

show me the career playoff accolades of Andy Reid and Zach Taylor, since those are the two other franchises that have generational talents at the QB position.

[Boatdrinks]

I’m not all that familiar with Campbell, but from the little I’ve seen he can be aggressive to a fault. His team seems to respond to his overall energy, but not taking points to build a lead costs him. 

[TwistofFate]

15 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Josh Allen…

 

show me the career playoff accolades of Andy Reid and Zach Taylor, since those are the two other franchises that have generational talents at the QB position.

Reid is a class of his own with 20+ years as a head coach. 

 

Taylor enjoyed a stacked Cincy with years of first round picks huge WR talent with the best college wr qb combo ending up on the same team. 

 

McD showed up to a team with 19 years without a playoff, a terrible cap situation with a team of veteran underachievers. 

 

Show me what Zach does next year with no tee Higgins, and no offensive coordinator. 

[muppy]

8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

That headline fits the picture. Dude is in utter despair. As well he should be. Indeed  It was a brutal way to lose. I think overall straight up the better team won but that isn't the point. 

 

if I were a true detroit fan I'd be just sick about it and going through allll the grief stages right now. SMH

 

It's just a game. It's just a game. It's just a game.....

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Reid is a class of his own with 20+ years as a head coach. 

 

Taylor enjoyed a stacked Cincy with years of first round picks huge WR talent with the best college wr qb combo ending up on the same team. 

 

McD showed up to a team with 19 years without a playoff, a terrible cap situation with a team of veteran underachievers. 

 

Show me what Zach does next year with no tee Higgins, and no offensive coordinator. 

We’re the chiefs rams and bengals perennial champs when their current head coaches took over ?

[Ramza86]

I actually voted no....but im changing my mind. 

 

Id rather play the way the lions played last night.

 

I like Josh over Goff in those 4th down situations...but I like Ben Johnson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brady.

 

 

[BigPappy]

While I don't agree with how concervative Sean is. I think Dan can be waaaay to recless with his decision making; with his all or nothing every game, all the time mentality. He wasted a lot of clock time last night. He could have saved 50 seconds or more and not wasted his first timeout had he kicked the field goal first and tried  the onsides kick. He would have had all three timeouts still if the onsides kick failed.