Rich Stadium Original Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I think most would agree that to increase your odds of going to and winning a Superbowl you need a franchise quarterback. But I think what is often overlooked is the importance of that game changing defensive lineman that is so effective he disrupts games and has to be planned around...and can help close out a tight game in crunch time. I think all four of the remaining teams have one...and then I got to thinking, who was the last lineman for the Bills you could describe that way? Oliver showed flashes throughout the season, but was a ghost in the last playoff game. Was it Kyle Williams?...Jerry Hughes in his prime? Having a player like that won't win you playoff games by himself, but it certainly seems to be a key ingredient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Mario Williams is probably the most talented guy from the last 20 years with Kyle following up. 11 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) Chris Kelsay Edited January 26 by Maybe Someday 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Mario Williams was the last truly elite game changer we had up front. I think Ed was pretty close this past year. Yes Sunday was not a good game for him, but I have confidence he will build again next season. 7 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Mario Williams for me. But all of them fall well short of the gold standard in Bills land....#78. 3 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Aaron Maybin! Most talented painter we've ever seen on the Bills DL 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Daquan Jones He's overlooked because of being primarily a run defender, but he is always doubled and frees up linebackers to make plays. He's what Star Lotulelei was supposed to be. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) Mario Williams was the closest they've had to that since the 90s. A truly dominant, disruptive pass rusher is the hardest thing to find with the exception of QB. It's not impossible to find one outside the top 10 picks, but the odds are definitely stacked against you. Greg Rousseau definitely isn't at that level, but the Bills are damn lucky he's as good as he is. Edited January 26 by Brandon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 20 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said: Chris Kelsay Man did he have a motor that wouldn't quit 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 It's Bruce and no one else has ever come close. Some good to great players since then, but none of them were HOF worthy. 2 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Ed Oliver was incredible this year. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 19 minutes ago, Gregg said: Mario Williams for me. But all of them fall well short of the gold standard in Bills land....#78. Mario before he decided "not to play" anymore for us and the Fins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Aaron Schobel 10 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Kyle Williams had done flat out dominate seasons, I think it has to be him. Physically gifted wise, Mario Williams or Marcel Dareus. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 John Mccargo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 If you consider an edge rusher in this category, it was probably Miller before he blew his knee out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Bruce is the undisputed GOAT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 13 minutes ago, MPL said: It's Bruce and no one else has ever come close. Some good to great players since then, but none of them were HOF worthy. We have a hall of fame defensive end currently on our roster. People can laugh about that all they want, but Von had 8 sacks through 11 games prior to injury last year. Before that, he was averaging 10+ sacks every year. That's rare and he will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Let's hope he comes back at full strength next year, or even close. The book isn't closed on that yet. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, transient said: If you consider an edge rusher in this category, it was probably Miller before he blew his knee out. Yeah Von was a force before the injury, but it’s always a “what have you done for me lately?” league. Von would’ve got my vote easily if his play hadn’t fallen off a cliff this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 44 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said: Chris Kelsay I know you are joking, but his tipped pass INT of Romo on MNF is still one of the most athletic plays I've ever seen a DL make 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 44 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Mario Williams is probably the most talented guy from the last 20 years with Kyle following up. Dareus also could have been great (and probably still in nfl) he wanted it. He had a better 4 year start to his career than Warren Sapp. imagine that 2014 d line (4 guys with 10+ sacks) on this team. beane definitely is not great sr drafting d linemen. We need a game wrecker so badly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 25 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: Man did he have a motor that wouldn't quit I believe only high-motor guys are allowed to also bring lunch pails to work, which explains so many football sayings! 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 50 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said: I think most would agree that to increase your odds of going to and winning a Superbowl you need a franchise quarterback. But I think what is often overlooked is the importance of that game changing defensive lineman that is so effective he disrupts games and has to be planned around...and can help close out a tight game in crunch time. I think all four of the remaining teams have one...and then I got to thinking, who was the last lineman for the Bills you could describe that way? Oliver showed flashes throughout the season, but was a ghost in the last playoff game. Was it Kyle Williams?...Jerry Hughes in his prime? Having a player like that won't win you playoff games by himself, but it certainly seems to be a key ingredient. Hard for the DL to be a factor with wide open WRs and TEs running all over the field for Mahomes to throw to. Ya gotta give them a little time to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 50 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said: Chris Kelsay Someone forgot about Tim Anderson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Ed Oliver + Daquan Jones (when healthy) had absurd stats at the beginning of the season. Ed Oliver just had an undisputable excellent season (after signing a big contract, so that's even better). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 BRUCE, arguably the best player the Bills have ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, Don Otreply said: BRUCE, arguably the best player the Bills have ever had. Bruce is the best defensive player the Bills ever had. OJ is the best offensive player the Bills ever had. Josh will probably replace OJ for best offensive player in Bills history, but I am not counting him yet as his career is still going. I am only picking retired players in Bills history. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 48 minutes ago, Rigotz said: We have a hall of fame defensive end currently on our roster. People can laugh about that all they want, but Von had 8 sacks through 11 games prior to injury last year. Before that, he was averaging 10+ sacks every year. That's rare and he will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Let's hope he comes back at full strength next year, or even close. The book isn't closed on that yet. I guess I completely forgot Von Miller was on our roster 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Great? Maybe not, but I wonder how Hughes would have mixed in with the defenses since he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Dareus also could have been great (and probably still in nfl) he wanted it. He had a better 4 year start to his career than Warren Sapp. imagine that 2014 d line (4 guys with 10+ sacks) on this team. beane definitely is not great sr drafting d linemen. We need a game wrecker so badly. I do think with the rotation, sack rate as a function of pass rush situations is probably more important than just looking at sack count. Or maybe total team sacks, or total pressures in clutch pass situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: I know you are jQuoteoking, but his tipped pass INT of Romo on MNF is still one of the most athletic plays I've ever seen a DL make Name Impact Play #2 from Kelsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomstone.Part.Duex Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Ed Oliver, Mario, Kyle, Schobel. I always liked the late 90's D with the "Jumbo Package" of Ted Washington and Pat Williams. With Sam Cowert in the middle LB spot that was a great D to witness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Name Impact Play #2 from Kelsey. Ryan Denney had more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Great? At DT, Ted Washington. No one has come anywhere close since. At DE Bruce, with an honorable mention to Mario Williams early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Ritchie Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Mario Williams was the last truly elite game changer we had up front. I think Ed was pretty close this past year. Yes Sunday was not a good game for him, but I have confidence he will build again next season. I wish Ed had a better game but chiefs interior line is really good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said: Man did he have a motor that wouldn't quit was he the original 'high motor, undersized DE' that we now assume will be our 1st-3rd round pick annually? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 43 minutes ago, Gregg said: Bruce is the best defensive player the Bills ever had. OJ is the best offensive player the Bills ever had. Josh will probably replace OJ for best offensive player in Bills history, but I am not counting him yet as his career is still going. I am only picking retired players in Bills history. Bruce had a longer amount of success so that's why consider him better than OJ. Yet if Josh keeps up.these 40 TD seasons he can pass Bruce in 4-5 years IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Ed Oliver Marcel Dareus before the Captain Hat incident Kyle Williams Mario Williams before Rex Aaron Schoebel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: Aaron Maybin! Most talented painter we've ever seen on the Bills DL Fun fact: Aaron Maybin averaged more QB hits per pass rush in his final season than Von Miller did this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Fun fact: Aaron Maybin averaged more QB hits per pass rush in his final season than Von Miller did this season. Maybe Von should retire and take up painting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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