How do you explain Diggs invisibility act

[May Day 10]

I was 'hopeful' that Diggs was just nursing injuries since mid season.

 

 

I would feel a lot better if he wasnt participating in the Pro Bowl

[Mat68]

I think poor weather has an impact for them.  Tougher environments to throw in.  He was a few deep shots connecting to this not being a story.  The emergence of the run game creeped into Diggs volume.  Imo Diggs is a volume wr more possession leaning with some big play ability.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, what did he break down?  He doesn't believe Diggs has cause to be unhappy because he's 'paid' and playing for a contending team, so he's asking "why?" cause all the controversy? 

 

It's the same question we're all asking, but what insight or information did he add?

 

Really?  You see the shots of that fiery player on the sideline and some of the blocks he's thrown, and that says "checked out emotionally" to you?

 

 

There is no insight or information. He’s just saying the grass isn’t always greener and he’s gonna be much more upset w Dak Prescott throwing him the ball and not JA. Diggs has no business saying anything after dropping that dime that went right thru his hands. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, f0neguy said:

He’d see fewer double teams

 

He wasn't seeing double teams down the stretch. L'Jarius Sneed flat out erased him in the divisional round, the latest Chiefs CB to do so in a playoff game.

 

I'm hopeful the injury narrative is true. If the Diggs we got down the stretch is just who he is now, his contract is almost as big an albatross as Von Miller.

 

But this is the predictable outcome of massively under-investing in the WR position over the years. We went from lamenting our #2 WR situation to wondering if we even have a #1 still. Our WR depth chart as it stands right now is arguably worse than it was in 2019. Which is why Beane simply has to spend 2 high draft picks on the position this year. There is no other solution.

[ddaryl]

20 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 Diggs has no business saying anything after dropping that dime that went right thru his hands. 

 

 

I agree, he is supposed to be our difference maker, the get us over the hump guy teamed with Allen throwing the ball... MAJOR letdown. Which is why most of us hope for a Diggs replacement in the draft while Diggs takes on the #1b roll, although that might take a season or 3 and by that time Diggs is gone anyways

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

There is no insight or information. He’s just saying the grass isn’t always greener and he’s gonna be much more upset w Dak Prescott throwing him the ball and not JA. Diggs has no business saying anything after dropping that dime that went right thru his hands. 

 

I mean, isn't that part of the "beef" with Diggs currently - that he hasn't said anything after dropping that dime that went right through his hands?  He hasn't tweeted, he deleted his Instagram account, he refused to talk to the press in the locker room after the loss or on clean out day?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

He wasn't seeing double teams down the stretch. L'Jarius Sneed flat out erased him in the divisional round, the latest Chiefs CB to do so in a playoff game.

 

I'm hopeful the injury narrative is true. If the Diggs we got down the stretch is just who he is now, his contract is almost as big an albatross as Von Miller.

 

But this is the predictable outcome of massively under-investing in the WR position over the years. We went from lamenting our #2 WR situation to wondering if we even have a #1 still. Our WR depth chart as it stands right now is arguably worse than it was in 2019. Which is why Beane simply has to spend 2 high draft picks on the position this year. There is no other solution.

 

I agree that Beane needs to invest whatever he can to fix the WR room.

 

As far as two high draft picks though -

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I was 'hopeful' that Diggs was just nursing injuries since mid season.

 

 

I would feel a lot better if he wasnt participating in the Pro Bowl

 

What am I missing here?

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-pro-bowl-games-complete-afc-roster-revealed

 

Wide receiver (4)

Tyreek Hill, Miami Dolphins*

Amari Cooper, Cleveland Browns*

Keenan Allen, Los Angeles Chargers

Ja’Marr Chase, Cincinnati Bengals

 

He's an alternate maybe?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, isn't that part of the "beef" with Diggs currently - that he hasn't said anything after dropping that dime that went right through his hands?  He hasn't tweeted, he deleted his Instagram account, he refused to talk to the press in the locker room after the loss or on clean out day?

His brother is doing all of the talking for him

[Alphadawg7]

On 1/24/2024 at 10:14 AM, PetermansRedemption said:

A lot of people will defend Diggs. I can’t find much to defend him on. Disappeared the second half of the season, takes himself out of the game way too much, drops passes, never fights for yardage. Not exactly many superstar qualities left. 

 

Never fights for yards?  What games are you watching.  He is always fighting for extra yards and has even turned those into big plays and even TD's.  People want to talk about his stats in 2nd half of seasons, that is fair.  Talk about some of the drop issues he had this year, that is fair.  But to say he doesn't fight for yards its just not at all an accurate description of him or how he plays.  

 

I also disagree he takes himself out of games...I see him getting open and not getting the ball.  I see him blocking on run plays and for other receivers.  Ive never watched a Bills game and said to myself Diggs is dogging it or taking himself out of the game.   

 

I dont have a good explanation with the consistent drop in production, but his effort is not something I question.  

 

Personally, I think it has been centered around issues with the offense and once the league gets a blueprint on how to take Diggs away, we have struggled to adjust. 

 

But lets also not forget as good as Josh is, as much as I love Josh and we all love Josh, there were quite a few times this year Diggs was open and Josh didn't see or flat out missed on the throw too.  DIdn't help our OC sucked for first 9 games either.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

On 1/24/2024 at 2:37 PM, Don Otreply said:

WTF people! Everyone knows he has been playing injured, {abdominal injury} for quite some time now, i would have thought all you fuh  king geniuses knew this by now…, that and we have limited help around him, which you would, again,  think you bloody geniuses had picked up on at some point or another…, JFC people get your heads out of your  - - - - - and pay attention once and a while…,  

 

Some of you could drive a sane man to drinking,,,. 🍸🍸🍸

I thought Diggs was injured too.

 

I saw several times where he made a catch and was slow to get up.

 

As others have said, when the play didn't involve him he would take himself out to rest

[PBF81]

Diggs didn't seem to have too much trouble separating from Ramsey and Apple in week 18.  On the first pass Allen overthrew him by a mile, on the second All underthrew him or it's a TD.  

 

Anyone watching these plays can easily see that he's running much shorter routes.  The other noticeable thing is that since Brady took over we've had multiple receivers in the same exact spots/areas too often.  It's clear that he's changed up the plays somewhat.  

 

 

[May Day 10]

57 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree that Beane needs to invest whatever he can to fix the WR room.

 

As far as two high draft picks though -

 

What am I missing here?

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-pro-bowl-games-complete-afc-roster-revealed

 

Wide receiver (4)

Tyreek Hill, Miami Dolphins*

Amari Cooper, Cleveland Browns*

Keenan Allen, Los Angeles Chargers

Ja’Marr Chase, Cincinnati Bengals

 

He's an alternate maybe?

 

I thought I saw that he was going, and he was going to participate in some sort of dodge ball thing or something

 

edit:  Just looked it up and he replaced Amari Cooper.

 

 

 

When people would complain about Diggs the past month or so, I insisted he was hurt.  I remember in maybe the Giants or Denver game, him getting thrown down super hard and he was slow to get up.  Looked like it wrenched his back or something.  Really wasn't the same since then.  

[34-78-83]

There was for sure an injury being dealt with that is at least part of the equation. Having season tix, Its been pretty plain to see at the stadium since around the Denver game. We often saw him holding his mid section, and back, getting up slowly and being deliberately stiff in his movements. The injury seems to crop up when he takes a very physical hit from a defender. Not when he's running a route uncontested.

 

Add that to aging (probably another small part of the equation) and lack of #2 WR, and we get the results we did.

 

The crap about him falling off a cliff or being disgruntled or not trying is absurd.

 

He wants it as much as anyone on the team and is an amazing coach on the field and sideline with his teammates. Always engaged. Always.

[Tenhigh]

On 1/24/2024 at 1:13 PM, Bills said:

Either he quit on the team or his game fell off a cliff and he’s close to being washed. My vote would be for the former. Either way we should move on from him as soon as possible. 

OP is burying the lede. The real question here is how in the name of Ralph Wilson's ghost were you able to get the straight-up handle 'Bills' in 2021?  Most new posters since 2010 are stuck using some variant of "IeAtCrAyOnz".

[Toyo321]

Just posted on MSN 2/2/24

 

ORLANDO, Fla. - Buffalo Bills wide receiver Stefon Diggs, in his first comments since his team was ousted from the playoffs, expressed a bit of uncertainty about his future in Buffalo while admitting regrets about the team's season-ending loss.

Diggs, who is participating in this weekend's Pro Bowl Games in Orlando, was asked whether he was optimistic about the future in Buffalo and delivered an answer that could be construed as non-committal.

 

"I feel like I take it day by day," he said. "Obviously, there's a lot of changes going on, a lot of things going on. I can't really put the carriage before the horse, you know what I'm saying? But I got a great offseason in front of me to put a lot of work in and kind of build around what we got and what we're doing.

"I can't tell you what the future holds, but I'm still being me."

When asked whether he was ready to move forward with the Bills, Diggs replied, "I'm ready to go no matter which way it goes." He did not elaborate.

Diggs declined comment after the Bills' 27-24 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Divisional round and had not spoken to reporters since the days leading up to the game. In the absence of his comments, speculation has emerged about Diggs' future in Buffalo.

Earlier in the season, when asked about his future, Diggs was adamant. He said, "I've never really said anything about being unhappy or any instance of that. So, when you're drawing conclusions as to stuff I've never said, that's what kind of troubles me... I've spoken true words. I've said the same thing over and over and over."

 

Asked about the Chiefs playoff game, Diggs on Friday said, "I've been in league for a long time. Obviously, even as players, some plays we want back and some plays I want back, especially at the end of the game. But it's not much you can do about it. Now, here as you take a couple of weeks to decompress and think about it, things could have been better. But [I'm] kind of rolling with the punches and moving forward."

[Brand J]

4 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

Just posted on MSN 2/2/24

 

ORLANDO, Fla. - Buffalo Bills wide receiver Stefon Diggs, in his first comments since his team was ousted from the playoffs, expressed a bit of uncertainty about his future in Buffalo while admitting regrets about the team's season-ending loss.

Diggs, who is participating in this weekend's Pro Bowl Games in Orlando, was asked whether he was optimistic about the future in Buffalo and delivered an answer that could be construed as non-committal.

 

"I feel like I take it day by day," he said. "Obviously, there's a lot of changes going on, a lot of things going on. I can't really put the carriage before the horse, you know what I'm saying? But I got a great offseason in front of me to put a lot of work in and kind of build around what we got and what we're doing.

"I can't tell you what the future holds, but I'm still being me."

When asked whether he was ready to move forward with the Bills, Diggs replied, "I'm ready to go no matter which way it goes." He did not elaborate.

Diggs declined comment after the Bills' 27-24 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Divisional round and had not spoken to reporters since the days leading up to the game. In the absence of his comments, speculation has emerged about Diggs' future in Buffalo.

Earlier in the season, when asked about his future, Diggs was adamant. He said, "I've never really said anything about being unhappy or any instance of that. So, when you're drawing conclusions as to stuff I've never said, that's what kind of troubles me... I've spoken true words. I've said the same thing over and over and over."

 

Asked about the Chiefs playoff game, Diggs on Friday said, "I've been in league for a long time. Obviously, even as players, some plays we want back and some plays I want back, especially at the end of the game. But it's not much you can do about it. Now, here as you take a couple of weeks to decompress and think about it, things could have been better. But [I'm] kind of rolling with the punches and moving forward."

For someone who “can’t tell you what the future holds,” despite the fact he’s firmly under contract the next four years, to me it sounds like he got word the team may want to do something with his contract that doesn’t benefit him. Pay cut request?

[HappyDays]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39445138/bills-wr-stefon-diggs-uncertain-future-holds

 

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Buffalo Bills wide receiver Stefon Diggs, in his first comments since his team was ousted from the playoffs, expressed a bit of uncertainty about his future in Buffalo while acknowledging regrets about the team's season-ending loss.

 

Diggs, who is participating in this weekend's Pro Bowl Games in Orlando, was asked whether he was optimistic about the future in Buffalo and delivered an answer that could be construed as noncommittal.

 

"I feel like I take it day by day," he said. "Obviously, there's a lot of changes going on, a lot of things going on. I can't really put the carriage before the horse, you know what I'm saying? But I got a great offseason in front of me to put a lot of work in and kind of build around what we got and what we're doing.

 

"I can't tell you what the future holds, but I'm still being me."

 

When asked whether he was ready to move forward with the Bills, Diggs replied, "I'm ready to go no matter which way it goes." He did not elaborate.

 

Diggs had not spoken with reporters since prior to his team's AFC wild-card round win over the Pittsburgh Steelers and he regularly declines to take part in media appearances after games. In the absence of his comments, speculation has emerged about Diggs' future in Buffalo.

 

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Asked about the Chiefs playoff game, Diggs on Friday said, "I've been in the league for a long time. Obviously, even as players, some plays we want back and some plays I want back, especially at the end of the game. But it's not much you can do about it. Now, here as you take a couple of weeks to decompress and think about it, things could have been better. But [I'm] kind of rolling with the punches and moving forward."

 

Really wish Diggs would have more self-awareness when he talks to the media. Every offseason it's the same cryptic messaging and it becomes a distraction.

[SirAndrew]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39445138/bills-wr-stefon-diggs-uncertain-future-holds

 

 

 

Really wish Diggs would have more self-awareness when he talks to the media. Every offseason it's the same cryptic messaging and it becomes a distraction.

Yeah, people like to write off Diggs comments, and they probably don’t matter much, but I don’t get why he says this stuff. All he needs to say is I’m a Buffalo Bill, next question. 

[major]

4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Yeah, people like to write off Diggs comments, and they probably don’t matter much, but I don’t get why he says this stuff. All he needs to say is I’m a Buffalo Bill, next question. 

I’ve said it before, but one of my friends who used to play in the nfl keeps telling me that “your bills need to get rid of that guy”. 

[BillMafia716ix]

Diggs hasn’t done shyt in the postseason since the Minnesota miracle. They paying him too much money to be a non factor in the playoffs. Opportunities were there to be made vs. KC and he just didn’t make them. Hopefully him and Josh can get together this offseason and work on their timing together because they were off all season. Especially on explosive plays down the field. 

[SectionC3]

I didn’t buy into the malcontent narrative before this year.  Now, I’m more open to the idea.  At the very least I sense he’s a headache.  I know some people who have dealt with him and—take this for what it’s worth—I can see how he would be an extremely difficult and grating co-worker. 

[boater]

Oooff... Whatever it is with Diggs, I hope it can be fixed. We're stuck with him, and a huge salary cap hit.

 

I choose to be optimistic that this will work out for 2024. Beyond that... he will be pretty old.

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, isn't that part of the "beef" with Diggs currently - that he hasn't said anything after dropping that dime that went right through his hands?  He hasn't tweeted, he deleted his Instagram account, he refused to talk to the press in the locker room after the loss or on clean out day?

 

 

So he definitely took responsibility for that play here, basically saying if the ball hits his hands and he doesn't catch it that's a drop. Also seemed to say he's not going to even bother getting into that talk about his relationship with Josh and the team because that's for the media to do whatever they want to do, and all that matters is what's actually true between him and them, can't really disagree with that.

 

The last part is definitely interesting as to his future with the team, you could take it in a lot of ways, honestly the way Diggs is talking the whole interview it comes off as him just acknowledging how tough the cap situation is and with how his season ended not taking where he is as a certainty.

[Big Blitz]

13 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

So he definitely took responsibility for that play here, basically saying if the ball hits his hands and he doesn't catch it that's a drop. Also seemed to say he's not going to even bother getting into that talk about his relationship with Josh and the team because that's for the media to do whatever they want to do, and all that matters is what's actually true between him and them, can't really disagree with that.

 

The last part is definitely interesting as to his future with the team, you could take it in a lot of ways, honestly the way Diggs is talking the whole interview it comes off as him just acknowledging how tough the cap situation is and with how his season ended not taking where he is as a certainty.

 

I don’t see any problem with what he said. 
 

He’s just not going to say “oh yea I love Josh we all good everything is awesome.”

 

First off - we have a 6-6 start and fired the OC and there wasn’t a peep from him.  I know it’s easy to say “well he was putting up numbers.”   He also didn’t say anything when he wasn’t putting up numbers.  Notice the first thing he says is “we all want plays we can have back” I knew immediately he was talking about the drop.  This is already more than what we got from him after last season.  Where it was clear there was a problem.      
 

Second, he knows that everything….isn't awesome.  We fell short again and he is making it clear no moral victories the only thing that matters is a SB.  

 

Because there wasn’t a hint of any issue with him during the season, and where he is in his career and with his contract, he is now somewhere near the bottom of my list of concerns for this team.  

Edited February 2 by Big Blitz

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I don’t see any problem with what he said. 
 

He’s just not going to say “oh yea I love Josh we all good everything is awesome.”

 

First off - we have a 6-6 start and fired the OC and there wasn’t a peep from him.  I know it’s easy to say “well he was putting up numbers.”   He also didn’t say anything when he wasn’t putting up numbers.  Notice the first thing he says is “we all want plays we can have back” I knew immediately he was talking about the drop.  This is already more than what we got from him after last season.  Where it was clear there was a problem.      
 

Second, he knows that everything….isn't awesome.  We fell short again and he is making it clear no moral victories the only thing that matters is a SB.  

 

Because there wasn’t a hint of any issue with him during the season, and where he is in his career and with his contract, he is now somewhere near the bottom of my list of concerns for this team.  

Yeah the only thing that was interesting at all about what he said was the end, it's going to make people wonder if there's the possibility that he won't be here even though he didn't say anything about wanting to leave or anything. The rest is all on track with what you'd expect someone to say and basically saying he's not going to engage in the his relations with the team/Josh BS anymore they can just do that themselves.

[SoonerBillsFan]

I still say he checked out when we hit 6-6. He has been malcontent for awhile now.

 

Some say he can't be traded with his cap hit.  We can free up 90 million if we really wanted to,but it's not that smart to do so.  But if he is really this big of an issue, I say trade him.

 

For all his regular season numbers, he disappears during the playoffs. 

[ALLinALLEN]

Am I the only one that doesn’t see anything wrong with his answers today? It’s meaningless offseason chatter. 

[Punch]

22 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Am I the only one that doesn’t see anything wrong with his answers today? It’s meaningless offseason chatter. 

No, if anything he sounds like he's tired of answering the same questions but he doesn't even sound angry when he voices it--- more resigned that the chatter is there and can't be suppressed.

[H2o]

No matter what, I think Diggs is here at least through next season, but probably even more likely is through 2025. The Bills will put an emphasis on weapons for Josh come April though. 

[JerseyBills]

I'm still convinced Diggs was injured 

Watch how he borderline sarcastic , asks him if he was healthy

 

The way Diggs said it, the way Cook laughs and asks "what about you" , just confirms Diggs was banged up

 

Edited February 2 by JerseyBills

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Am I the only one that doesn’t see anything wrong with his answers today? It’s meaningless offseason chatter. 

If anything, he’s annoyed with the media and other gossip queens making up stories about him potentially being unhappy.  He’s unhappy about having to constantly reassure the insecure Nancies out there that everything is okay.

[ALLinALLEN]

7 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

If anything, he’s annoyed with the media and other gossip queens making up stories about him potentially being unhappy.  He’s unhappy about having to constantly reassure the insecure Nancies out there that everything is okay.

Precisely

[May Day 10]

18 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

If anything, he’s annoyed with the media and other gossip queens making up stories about him potentially being unhappy.  He’s unhappy about having to constantly reassure the insecure Nancies out there that everything is okay.

 

 

He can put it to rest pretty easily and decisively.   

 

 

[Dr Krentist]

His nephew's got his back 😆

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

16 minutes ago, Dr Krentist said:

His nephew's got his back 😆

 

Sauce was a good guy with that lol.

[Warcodered]

49 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

 

He can put it to rest pretty easily and decisively.   

 

 

He's done that before he's tired of playing whack-a-mole.

20 minutes ago, Dr Krentist said:

His nephew's got his back 😆

 

One of the pluses of Diggs here is that kid rooting for the team when we play everyone but Dallas with his dad healthy.

[DCofNC]

On 1/24/2024 at 1:34 PM, babulator said:

Diggs has been struggling to get separation in man to man. Brady focus's less on Diggs in his O (he likes the 2x TE set and is more run focused). This means less designed or schemed plays for him. Couple that with his drops, his age, and the emergence of Kincaid and it all just means less for Diggs. Truthfully, as good as he is, he's simply not a game changer, he's never been a guy to just take over a game. I think this will be par for the course moving forward. He's been great for JA, but we need a real game changer here.

I said it when he was good, he’s never been a guy that scares anyone, he’s a good possession guy, not a big threat.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

I didn’t buy into the malcontent narrative before this year.  Now, I’m more open to the idea.  At the very least I sense he’s a headache.  I know some people who have dealt with him and—take this for what it’s worth—I can see how he would be an extremely difficult and grating co-worker. 

I am in the same boat as you, and have been coming around to this point of view now.

[JimBob2232]

11 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am in the same boat as you, and have been coming around to this point of view now.

 

Honestly, ive never been a fan.  Ever since his "not shaking hands" incident at the Penn State/Maryland game in college I have been skeptical of him and his antics. There was a thread on here a couple years ago about "which bills player of all time did you not like" and he was my pick - and I took heat for it.  None of this surprises me.  Im glad he has been here - and helping us win....but it's transactional for me.  I'm not a fan, and when his time here is done - I won't miss him.

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Warcodered said:

So he definitely took responsibility for that play here, basically saying if the ball hits his hands and he doesn't catch it that's a drop. Also seemed to say he's not going to even bother getting into that talk about his relationship with Josh and the team because that's for the media to do whatever they want to do, and all that matters is what's actually true between him and them, can't really disagree with that.

 

I can't disagree with what he said, but I also think if he and Josh were tight from his POV, he would have said "that's my brother, and you're never gonna hear me say a bad thing about him". 🤷‍♂️